You can object to the terminology (and obviously you do) but that -is- the name off the list. There is nothing wrong with someone using that name as a reference...it's a clear, unambiguous reference to which particular list he's talking about.

Frankly, the terminology is the last thing I'm concerned about. I object to the loss of civil rights we've suffered over the last 12 years, to little or no positive effect. If it were up to me, we'd be operating just as we did before 9/11, with the exception of locks on the pilot's side of the cockpit door.

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Cool stuff - thanks.
>> ^eric3579:

@dag Thought you might be interested

>> ^jwray:

Holy fucking shit. I wish there were politicans in the US who talked as frankly as that.


They send naked pictures to people via text etc. etc.

Holy fucking shit. I wish there were politicans in the US who talked as frankly as that. This guy is a winner.

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Yeah, I don't think Frank Zappa is coming back - sorry. >> ^spoco2:

First I thought you meant Frank Zappa.
Then I went to the KickStarter page and was confused
Then I watched the video intro and was amused
Then I was something else...used... damn

Well he has to. King Obama bought up all the Teleprompters.

Secular subnormals are on par with religious zealots.

>> ^Boise_Lib:

Frank Lutz sits there and nods whenever Newt hits one of the talking points Frank gave him before the show.

Frank Lutz sits there and nods whenever Newt hits one of the talking points Frank gave him before the show.

There isn't any such thing as "The Scientific Method" maybe that's why people have problems knowing what it is.

Is that the new conservative tactic, to deny the existance of something? Kinda like "nyah nyah, I can't see you, so you can't see me!"

Pope John Paul -- the last catholic pope, in case you don't use the internet for historical truths either -- announced that evolution is not incompatible with religion. I recommend you use the internet to get the details. The announcement was in Oct 24, 1996.

It is a well established truth that most high ranking members of the church take their bibles as metaphorical truths rather than literal ones. It is only zealotry or insanity that drives people to believe that the earth is less than 10k years old, or that we're all descended from two people who ate an apple given to them by a talking snake.

Frankly, I don't care that anyone believes any of that nonsense. What I do care about is that religion, at least in the US, is becoming so dog-eat-dog that people are reliving history : hating other religions, enforcing literal interpretations, and simple closed-minded zealotry.

The theory of evolution is as much a "theory" as the theory of gravity is just a "theory", which is to say, you can test gravity and prove its existance pretty damn well every day. We don't understand a lot of gravity right now, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The theory of evolution is very similar in that respect -- we understand a lot of it, we know it to be a fact, we just don't understand all of it. Science is like that; we are always in pursuit of greater understanding.

Religion is anathema to that.

What is this "constitution" everyone keeps talking about? Frankly, it sounds made up.

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
This is the first presidential nominee I've ever seen who is willing to talk so frankly about class, race, healthcare, corporate influence, etc.,

I thought you were old enough to remember Carter.

Other than that, I agree with you on just about everything else you wrote. (Is that a hole in reality I see out of the corner of my eye??)

I think Obama is sometimes a little too willing to make compromises with the corporates. But I've come to view most elections in a similar light as the Louisiana gubernatorial election of 1991 - Edwards vs. Duke. Just pick the lesser of two evils. On the one hand, you've got a typical politician, and on the other hand, a neo-Nazi.

No, I don't think McCain is a neo-Nazi, but given his support for Bush's unprecedented assumption of executive power over the rights of individuals, he might as well be a fascist. (Wow, is that two invocations of Godwin's Law? naw - Duke really was/is a neo-Nazi, so that doesn't count.)

I've got your critical perspective hanging right here, blanky:

I certainly agree that the military industrial complex, the Israel lobby, Big Oil, Big Pharma, etc holds way to much sway over this country, but Obama is the most progressive candidate I've seen in my lifetime. I'd love to see a Nader, Kucinich, Paul or Gravel-type take the reigns (actually, I do have some serious reservations about Ron Paul's 'Free Market Economy', which is useless when it comes to education, healthcare and other social issues), but that just isn't going to happen. If any of those folks got elected, they wouldn't be able to get anything done. A leader has to compromise to some degree if s/he hopes to accomplish anything.

This is the first presidential nominee I've ever seen who is willing to talk so frankly about class, race, healthcare, corporate influence, etc., and while I don't think he'll storm the Bastille or anything, he is a much needed breath of fresh air after the Bush/Clinton/Reagan years. Can't you see the opportunity we have here with Obama?

One thing that gives me hope about Obama is that he made a point to formally sever ties with the DLC, which is the official home of the corporate-imperialist-neocon Lieberman's of the Democratic party. This is certainly a show of independence.

That said, Obama is definitely jumping through some hoops here and tiptoeing around some very expensive tulips, and while I'd love him to tell the influence peddlers to fuck off, I understand that that's probably not an effective way to challenge these institutions and make any kind of meaningful change. I mean, openly insulting the school bully leaves you having to constantly watch your back. Better to track his movements and study his behavior for weakness to be exploited later.

Beyond strategy, your only other options are McCain - who makes no bones about his blood thirst - or writing in a candidate - which is basically a stealth vote for McDeath. So what's it gonna be? GWB part II, or take a chance on an extremely progressive and popular mainstream candidate who pays some lip service to the elites when backed against the wall. Seems like an easy choice to me.

If, in office, Obama strays from promises, we'll hold his feet to the fire, but in the meantime lets give the man a chance. Don't forget that a candidate who thrives on small-donor grassroot support will be expected to deliver, or those millions of individual donations will dry up.

Idealism fails without pragmatism.