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bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Trump kills another woman


Melania just reminded everyone she’s an illegal immigrant who did soft core porn illegally while on a visa that didn’t allow her to work, and hid that when applying for citizenship. Her citizenship should be stripped and she should be deported, right?

DJT is 100% underwater and sinking fast, now at $15, first pre IPO investors paid over $17!

Vance admitted he lied about the fake pet eating story, that it was never true or even believable and came from one person who admitted she made it up completely….but blamed the media for not vetting his lies faster despite them calling it out the day he started claiming it and him calling them every name in the book for correcting his lie, and said he has no obligation to check if stories are true before amplifying them on the campaign trail, and he will lie to you again and again then blame you for listening.

If the felon can’t keep his golf course or person safe, why would you believe he can keep the country safe?

Democrat, The party for Degenerates

newtboy says...

DOWNVOTE THIS BLATANT HOMOPHOBIC LIE


How many kids do you see on the street?
I saw zero kids because this was a blocked off adults only area of the adult event, like it always is. https://sfpride.org/rootofpride

Conversely, MAGA loves to involve children in their abusive sex acts and protect those who do like these (and thousands more)…

326 Larry Cotton, conservative Evangelical pastor covered up Andy Savage’s crime

327 Alex Jones, right-wing conspiracist, sexual harassment, groping, racism. Did I miss this because I skip anything with his name because he’s a fantasist?

328 Wm F Buckley admiring FOX News reporter James Rosen - sexual harassment

329 Right-wing former actor Scott Baio, sexual assault saved by statute of limitations

330 Republican district attorney candidate Seth Carey stalking and harassment of ex-girlfriend, unwanted sexual advances

331 Republican Sheriff Craig Rowland opened the door for a lot more rapists by saying rape kit legislation is not needed as "The majority of our rapes that are called in are actually consensual sex.”

332 Republican Rep. David Byrd inappropriate contact with three underage students.

333 Frank Hughes high school had students wear shirts promoting child-molesting Rep. David Byrd on a state capitol field trip.

334 Kenny West, Chief of Staff of GOP Representative Mark Meadows - sexual harassment

335 Republican Representative Mark Meadows was censured for protecting his aide after accusations of sexual harassment and continuing to employ him.
336 Colorado State Senator Larry Crowder - Sexual harassment of female senate colleague https://denver.cbslocal.com/2018/02/09/sexually-harassment-larry-crowder-susan-lontine/

337 Colorado State Senator Jack Tate will not seek reelection due to sexual harassment complaint by intern though the allegation of leering & making comments about her appearance is believed to be true, they do not amount to sexual harassment according to GOP leadership https://www.denverpost.com/2018/03/29/jack-tate-sexual-harassment-letter/

338 State Representative Ritch Workman - sexual misconduct

339 Clint Reed, Sen. Marco Rubio’s Chief of Staff, improper conduct

340 Iowa State Senator Bill Dix fired party’s Communication Director for reporting sexual harassment, then resigned after caught on film kissing a lobbyist

341 Louisiana Sec of State Tom Schedler resigned, taxpayers paid to settle sexual harassment suit

342 MS State Representative John Moore resigned - sexual harassment

343 Trump White House speechwriter David Sorensen resigned after allegations of domestic violence by his ex-wife

344 MN State Rep. Rod Hamilton (R) stripped of chairmanship when accused of inappropriate touching by a woman https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/minnesota-goper-stripped-chairmanship-accused-inappropriate-touching-sex-abuse-activist/

345 Conservative celebrity priest famed for shepherding conversions of Gingrich, Brownback, Kudlow and others was a groper. https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/celebrity-priest-was-a-groper-c-john-mccloskey/

346 Samuel Pimm, GOP consultant, Ben Carson campaign, found guilty of groping woman on a plane, she tells flight attendant The guy next to me is feeling me up." https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/former-us-republican-party-consultant-guilty-of-groping-woman-on-plane-to-heathrow-a3904976.html

347 Former IL GOP State Rep John Anthony - groping https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/ex-ill-rep-fired-from-govt-job-for-groping-women-at-xmas-party/

348 Brian Ellis, GOP Member of PA House of Representatives, accused of drugging and raping a woman. https://www.pennlive.com/news/2019/01/pa-state-rep-facing-sexual-assault-allegation-dauphin-county-das-office-is-leading-investigation.html

349 Erick Bennett who challenged Susan Collins in the Maine GOP primary was convicted of domestic violence which he thought was a good reason to vote for him. https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/01/erick-bennett-of-maine-vote-for-me-for-senate-because-i-was-convicted-of-domestic-violence.html

350 Trump Labor Secretary Alexander Acosta made an illegal plea deal protecting Jeffrey Epstein, a nonprosecution agreement for someone accused of raping underage girls and sex trafficking. Is protecting sexual predators itself an offense? I think so. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article226577419.html

Democrats gave us slavery, Republicans gave us freedom.

newtboy says...

Again, you predicate your argument on the blatantly overtly racist idea that “blacks” are just all too dumb to see who uses them as props and who works and legislates for their benefit….and you are too dumb to see your own deeply rooted and flawed racism even when it’s pointed out with a spotlight.
Democrats don’t believe all the members of any “race” are genetically predisposed to be that stupid. All the members of some political/religious movements maybe.

Crime is down nearly 25% in cities under Biden. If political leadership controls crime rates, Democrats win hands down. Why do Republicans always end up raising crime rates when they’re in control, like 2020 the biggest increase in violent crime on record?
You do know the highest crime states are mostly Republican states, right? You do know that Republican counties have higher PER CAPITA crime rates than big cities, right? My guess, even knowing those facts doesn’t make you think twice about your incorrect position…because you believe admitting a mistake is a sign of weakness, which is a sign of insecurity and weakness itself. Adults can admit mistakes without guilt or shame….hiding from them is shameful.

Republicans cut federal and state public school funding, and legislated teaching to the point that all competent teachers fled red states (making your party even dumber generationally). That’s why public schools in low income/low tax revenue zones struggle, especially in red states. When 100% of funding comes from property taxes, clearly schools in low value areas will suffer, and that’s 100% Republican legislating.

Democrats get 85% because they work to fund programs that help minorities far beyond your racist trope of “government cheese” (cheese like school funding or redlining protections). Republicans would strip them of those programs, the cheese, and any civil protections…eventually even their vote because they/you say the founders only wanted white male land owners to vote, not the poor, not minorities, not women. Trump’s/MAGAs project 2025 is all about that….stripping rights away.

Once again, people can see who works for their interest and who works against it, and it’s an 85%/8% split…I say that’s because the 85%+- are intelligent and have their eyes open and 10-20% of all people are just brain dead slugs (looking directly at you)…your position is the 85% is just too dumb to know better and are easily tricked because they’re black….but you think you aren’t racist. 😂

bobknight33 said:

@newtboy Why do to continue to be a Democrat TOOL?

Democrats use Blacks just for their votes.

If Democrats gave a shit about Blacks, why haven't they improved their cites is such a way as to bring in jobs for inner city communities.

Why are inner city schools shitty compared to others. City planners can spend $ and make them excellent. But they don't care about blacks, just their vote.

Democrats get 85% just because they don't want to loose the barely tolerable government cheese. Better to have something than nothing.


And that is economic slavery.

Newt by being blinded to this reality this also makes you part of the problem. A slave holder.

THIS ILLUSION FOOLS 99% OF PEOPLE!!

newtboy says...

Think of a two armed hinge like on a swing arm metal desk lamp…but made of thin plastic strips that fold completely flat. Gravity pulls it out and folds it back in.

lucky760 said:

I can't visualize what you described newtboy. I think I need a diagram.

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

It’s about you….

Yes, you utter moron.
“White guy uses 10 black employees to pretend he has black friends” is racist.
Slave owners “hired” thousands. Racist often hire minorities, then abuse them, overwork them in untenable conditions, force them to do things against their own communities like this staged fake photo, and usually under pay or simply don’t pay them. Are you really so clueless you don’t know that? 😂
Your ilk says slavery was a good thing for Africans, pretending they didn’t have lives, families, and professions in their homeland and learning to drive a plow horse is fair compensation for enslaving them and theirs for multiple lifetimes….and you convince yourself that’s not racist.
You should be enslaved and taught the invaluable skill of mucking out septic tanks by hand…maybe your great great grandchild can use that skill to make a living, so it’s a boon for you.

He (well, his sub-organization, I’m certain he doesn’t interview black applicants himself) hires them as cover…to use as photo ops like this and cover for his constant outrageous racism. He claimed these were his “black friends”, they are not, they are his “black employees”. Paid actors pretending to be his friends for cash, you brain dead slug. SHOCKER! You don’t see the difference when they’re subhuman minorities….stooping to be near them is saintly and makes Kirk a good man despite his constant blatant outrageous public racism….just like the Convicted Felon and Rapist.

If President Biden’s campaign tried this you would be screaming “RACISM” at the top of your lungs until mid November, we both know it’s true, but because it’s true I expect you won’t admit it, maybe even to yourself. Biden’s campaign would NEVER do this though, because he HAS supported the black community consistently and he has their REAL support, not just some paid political actors, not just rented “black churches with felonious pastors filled with old white racists wearing “blacks for Trump” shirts. 😂

10 (some temporary) employees out of an organization of tens of thousands dedicated to a blatant racist agenda. Most are employees of Blexit, the Turning Point USA funded, Candice Owens run attempt to turn minorities away from Democrats using lies and intimidation (so she hired them, not him). It’s a failure.
The point being these are employees he tried to pretend are his personal friends because in reality he has ZERO BLACK FRIENDS because he is a complete 100% racist, unapologetically, I don’t know why you would pretend otherwise, he’s pretty open and up front about it.
This just reminds us of ALL the fake “outreach” Maga has done, all the photo ops that end up being paid operatives pretending to be random strangers over and over and over and over again, which every time remind us how little support maga has among minorities and exactly why that is the case. It’s hilarious to watch you deny decades of blatant racism because now you NEED the black communities support. It’s not coming, they also see through the stupid denials and constant projection.

MAGA is racist because maggots are racists who believe in white Christian nationalism which is a racist movement intended to strip all rights from all who are not white christian men.

Kirk leads a white Christian nationalist movement….you dimwit.

How’s your Trump Media stock doing? How about your “all in at $400 a share” Tesla stock?

bobknight33 said:

Lets see White guy hires 10 black guys and that is racist?


Democrats are the racist because everything to them are racist.


bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Cowardly liar Trump is complaining he couldn’t use an “advice of council” defense, hoping you and your ilk are dumb enough to not know it was 100% his choice.
He didn’t use it because 1) it removes any attorney client privilege and makes their correspondence public (outing him for a few dozen more crimes as yet uncharged) and 2) Trump would have to take the stand himself (again, opening himself up to dozens more charges as he admits serious felonies under oath, the moron).
His defense is still “it was a legal fee he paid as a legal expense” ignoring the mountains of evidence, most signed by Trump personally, much of it provided by Trump under oath that prove beyond any sliver of a shadow of doubt exactly what they did to illegally hide this campaign expense as “legal fees”, exactly why they did it, and that they (including Don) knew full well it was illegal and unethical when they were doing it and went to great lengths and expense to not be caught, but were anyway.

He had to sell his plane to pay his legal bills. 😂

Eric said on the courthouse steps…”I cannot wait for the day that we win. We will…WE’RE WHITE!” Tell me again how the Trump’s aren’t racists.

Once again, virile DonJohn couldn’t stay awake in court EVEN DURING JURY INSTRUCTIONS…arguably the most important part of the trial and his last chance to make an impression on the jury…the impression he gave, pure distain and disrespect for the law. The choice to stay up high on speed all night rage tweeting was a poor decision. I would have said he “ran out of gas” but all reports are he has a massive gas surplus and is venting excess gas constantly. 😂

He is now tweeting that he doesn’t even know what the charges against him are…after how many weeks in court having them explained and dissected? His feeble brain has failed. He’s going to die his first year in prison, he’s already in a final decline.

The defense closing was so bad that the judge had to tell the jury to disregard much of it, in parts he admitted to Trump’s guilt, and was so disjointed and weird that it was impossibly difficult to follow, that’s coming from someone who completely understood inception and Tenet on the first viewings (they weren’t complicated, they just weren’t well thought out). Surprise, he violated the law so badly that it may be enough to give the DA an appeal and bring the case again in the impossible event don is acquitted.

Outside closing arguments DonJohn admitted defeat by saying “even mother Theresa couldn’t beat these charges” because he knows he has zero chance of acquittal. He better hope a maggot lied to be on the jury, a jury deadlock is his only possible saving grace, acquittal is not possible.
If one did, they damn well better get doxed fast….and their family.

PS- He’s also saying now that he intends to deport any citizen that annoys him, stripping them of their citizenship, specifically he mentioned anyone who protests legally (unless they’re Jan 6 maga terrorists) but make no mistake he means ANYONE who doesn’t properly cow tow. Tell me again how he loves the constitution….

PS- reminder, Trump this week campaigned with two violent gang members (alleged to be Crip leaders) out on bail and under a 140 count indictment for murders, lest you convince yourself for one second that you aren’t in a violent criminal cult.
In stark contrast, Biden has never campaigned with a mass murderer or active gang leader.
PPS- Misogynist and spouse abuser and philanderer and abortion pusher Minnesota Republican US Senate maga candidate Royce White was just busted for spending donor money on an all-nude strip club, new clothes, expensive hotels, limos, and other illegal expenses…look it up. Not his first attempt either, there are over $100k in unexplained personal expenditures and cash withdrawals from his campaign contributions, many made AFTER he lost his primary. He’s more total human garbage on every level, typical criminal maga.
PPPS- Maga policies just forced a 12 year old rape victim in Louisiana to have her child, ruining both their lives before she’s out of middle school.

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Triggered much?! 😂
I get why. Your reality is crashing down, your savior is going to prison, the economy is BOOMING, we are the envy of the entire Western world again after losing that title under Chump, and the plans to sell America’s assets to the highest bidder are failing.
The plan to become a fascist, Christian, white, male dominated nation is failing. Women and minorities are going to vote you out of power and rightly so, your plans to strip their rights are coming back to haunt you. Do you even know how you’ve been doing in early elections so far? Enjoy, suckers! 😂

Btw- your time was wasted, I don’t bother with your idiotic propaganda videos unless I’m looking to laugh at stupid people being moronic, not one in 15 years was honest, they’re just morons like Mensa member Joe Rogan being utterly moronic trying to think (and failing) and/or regurgitating the party lie, pretending the economy is crashing when it’s the best in the world and the best it’s been in over 50 years, just lying about anything and everything because reality isn’t good for you…you’re so delusional you don’t or so dishonest you won’t see it but we all do.

Bidenomics is the envy of the world, friendo. Going from the worst economy in our history with negative gdp and record high unemployment (Trump LOST jobs) to the longest low unemployment period and fastest growing gdp in our history. If Trump had had Biden’s economic record there would be tens of trillions more in the treasury today. If Biden had continued Trump’s economic record we would have defaulted on our debts and be a bankrupt nation without international credit today. If Trump had continued Trump’s economic record we would have sold Alaska back to Russia (who with China would be the only economic super powers left) and have Puerto Rico on the market just to keep the lights on. We were near a depression in 2020 with 100% of economists predicting at least a severe recession in 21…didn’t happen and we are in a serious long term boom in 2024.

STILL WAITING Bawby. It’s looking like those little BBs won’t ever drop, and you’ll never become a man. I wish I could say I’m surprised, but I would have to ignore who you are to be surprised. I’m actually STILL WAITING for the charges coming against Clinton, something you insisted would happen shortly in 2016 but could never say for what, then couldn’t discuss at all when no charges ever came. Just one of dozens of cases when you assert something salacious with zero evidence then go silent when pressed for details or follow-up because you are a coward that hides from his (constant) mistakes and can never admit he was tricked (even though it’s a constant). A baby boy. A total joke. 😂

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Still 3.8% unemployment, sucker. 4 years ago it was nearly 15%! Choke on it. (Like over a million Americans choked on their last breath thanks to Trump’s mismanagement.)

Month after month after month after month of exceeding predicted jobs GROWTH you moron. Often by double.
That includes lost jobs and new jobs.
Wages are RISING much faster than inflation. Not only are jobs plentiful, at historical low unemployment for a record time, but earnings are higher…the new jobs pay more than the lost jobs.

Eat it. The economy is going gangbusters, so fast and hard the fed won’t lower interest. We recovered at double the rate of other nations. In March we ADDED OVER 300000 MORE JOBS that average better pay, same in Jan, Feb, and probably April. Those alleged 200000 didn’t even register, even with the lost jobs counted the jobs numbers are consistently near double expectations!

Really? Where do you get those insane numbers? Not the department of labor. Probably Trump, who would have simply made them up.

The labor market continues to be stiff and hard like a teenager on viagra at a strip club. The recovery is wide, long, and veiny. I know that sucks for Trump who is clear he wants a recession to help his poll numbers. Maybe you don’t see it because you’re invested in stupidity like Tesla and Trump Media. 😂

STILL WAITING! 😂

bobknight33 said:

Latest List of Layoffs Over Last 4 Months:

1. Twitch: 35% of workforce
2. Hasbro: 20% of workforce
3. Spotify: 17% of workforce
4. Levi's: 15% of workforce
5. Zerox: 15% of workforce
6. Qualtrics: 14% of workforce
7. Wayfair: 13% of workforce
8. Tesla: 10% of workforce
9. Duolingo: 10% of workforce
10. Washington Post: 10% of workforce
11. Snapchat: 10% of workforce
12. eBay: 9% of workforce
13. PayPal: 9% of workforce
14. Business Insider: 8% of workforce
15. Charles Schwab: 6% of workforce
16. Macy's: 4% of workforce
17. Blackrock: 3% of workforce
18. Citigroup: 20,000 employees
19. UPS: 12,000 employees
20. Cisco: "Thousands" of employees

In 2024, we have already seen 74,000 tech layoffs alone with well over 200,000 across all industries.

Last month, the US added a whopping 691,000 part-time jobs while LOSING 6,000 full-time jobs.

Is the labor market finally starting to soften?


bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Uh oh….don is going to have to explain why he’s illegally threatening the president with death, a violation of his bail in every trial he’s facing and a slap in the face to his own security detail, and why he’s continuing to threaten the judges daughter despite the updated gag order on Monday specifically precluding him from attacking family members.
It better be a good explanation or it could be prison time or at a minimum a total gag order, no statements at all, no “truths”, and none by his staff.

BTW - despite maga “lawyers” claiming it is, gag orders are NOT violations of first amendment rights, they are a voluntary but binding agreement a defendant makes as a condition of pre trial release, something they have no right to.

Bonus - with abortion rights on the ballot in Florida and 70% in favor of abortion rights, it becomes a swing state likely to turn blue. All democrats have to do is remind the public how many rights the right is stripping from them and who is fighting to preserve them. 😂
And Arizona just put Abortion rights on the ballot too, handing most of Arizona to Democrats.

Second bonus- Another maga racist white nationalist and anti semite, Gregg Blevins, is being recalled in Oklahoma.

5 things to fix black communities

newtboy says...

Hilariously idiotic uncle Ruckus.

#1- stop supporting the industry that has made more multi millionaires and billionaires in the black community than any other, all rap is evil and negative (try some Clint Black instead)
#2- don’t vote for the party that’s supported and empowered your community for 70 years, vote for the one that abandoned your community 70 years ago and would strip you of your vote in a heartbeat.
#3- reinforce the trope that black men are all absentee fathers and other races aren’t.
#4- don’t support organizations like BLM, a hugely successful black run organization dedicated to solving major issues in the black community, specifically racially biased violent murderous policing with impunity like this…. https://videosift.com/video/Mississippi-Goon-Squad-Highlights-Brutality-By-Police
#5- stop looking for white people to solve your problems…which isn’t a thing.

Basically his *terrible suggestion is don’t try to solve your problems yourselves and don’t think someone else will, maybe just be an old white guy.
We need a *stupid and *racism channel just for Bob’s idiotic racist posts.

Israeli Soldiers Use Food Aid As Trap To Murder Palestinians

newtboy says...

So again, that’s a “no”. You are not man enough to admit statements that are true. No surprise.

Instead you would prefer to make up some alternative facts that make you feel good.

Violent settlers (often Americans) forcing Palestinians off their land at gun point or just outright murdering them to steal their land increased exponentially during Trump’s tenure, as did IDF attacks on innocent civilians (often in support of the settlers, not counted in official IDF killings), they also increased the slow genocide of medical embargoes, intentional starvation, cutting off water and electricity, violent random attacks on mosques, all under Trump. They don’t count those as “IDF killings” either, but they are.

The IDF has been committing a slow boil genocide for decades, under both parties, a genocide they accelerated under Trump’s regime in many ways, and again under Biden when they used their (intentional?) abject intelligence failure in Oct. as an excuse for escalating farther to such an extent its looking likely they allowed the attack for that very reason, an excuse for escalating the genocide. It’s become clear they caused many of the casualties on Oct 7 and made false rape claims that have been debunked, also to excuse their escalation.

Netanyahu is a far right wing “leader” Trump still today lovingly calls Bibi who would have been out of office without Trump’s help and quite recently Don has voiced his FULL support for any lengths Netanyahu wants to go including taking the entire Gaza Strip and expelling the residents (into the sea because no country will take them, knowing if they do Israel will use them having a country to take refuge in as a pretext to take the West Bank too)…and you want to pretend Biden who has called him a war criminal is MORE complicit than Trump who backed his every genocidal move. 😂

At least you are consistent in your fantasy world…you never leave. Too bad it cost you your balls, spine, mind, and soul. I hope you like it in there up your rectum. 😂

bobknight33 said:

IDF was not committing genocide under Trump.

Joe and IDF have the peddle mashed to the floor this go around.

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Oops. “I can fake being smart” Habba forgot to appeal the loss of his presidential immunity in civil cases by Feb 15. When asked about “Blasingame” she didn’t know what it was (it’s the case that stripped her client, Trump, of immunity in December!).
If he doesn’t have civil immunity, he definitely doesn’t have criminal immunity.
There is no appealing missing the deadline. He just lost any case for his immunity, onward to trials!

https://nypost.com/2024/02/19/us-news/trump-open-to-jan-6-suits-after-missing-scotus-appeal-deadline/#

This means the civil suits about Jan 6 by representatives and police can proceed too.
Thanks Habba. Worst attorney in America! Congratulations on being #1!

Oh no! One of the main pieces of evidence used by the special prosecutor to prove Hunter was on drugs when he bought a gun, claimed to be a photo of cocaine Hunter sent to his doctor but was in fact a photo of sawdust put in lines by a carpenter who used work to overcome addiction, with text suggesting Hunter might as well. One more time the special prosecutor is caught misrepresenting evidence to impugn Hunter. There are many. He’s going to own them when he sues for misconduct. Another MAGA witch hunt falls apart with no witches, just little girls accusing their rivals. 😂

Palestinian UN Ambassador At UN

newtboy says...

Edit: I misunderstood …. When you flee to somewhere you aren’t welcome, you invaded. That’s not characterization, it’s definition. If my home isn’t safe so I force my way into yours, I invaded your home…even if my friend down the street said it was ok.
It’s not a legitimate motive to invade a foreign country and murder, subjugate, and ghettoize its inhabitants because you aren’t safe where you live. There is no legitimate motive for those actions.

I think you take great liberty deciding the “Arab narrative”. That may be the Hamas narrative, it’s not the Palestinian’s history, and I think few claim it is. At first they were and acted like refugees, welcomed by Arab natives, some of which were Jews themselves, then shortly after began exponentially increasing immigration to overpower the natives, coming armed. They had no right to take by force food, shelter, and safety from those who had offered it to a much smaller portion of needy Jews…they in fact had an obligation to do the exact opposite and minimize their impact on their TEMPORARY HOSTS, and ensure their benefactors didn’t suffer for their generosity. This was not even a fleeting thought for the invaders.

The violent Zionists were intentionally courted and invited then supported and encouraged by those you say were “getting along”, so your point is misguided.

That native population was displaced by a concerted effort to forcibly immigrate en masse and seize control. The natives eventually balked, but too late and the overwhelming masses of armed violent Jewish invaders took over.

I’m in a camp that doesn’t give a shit about religion, they’re all idiotic nonsense, but believes in law and order, and invading people seizing control by force and dehumanizing the natives is not a thing I’m prepared to gloss over or erase with one sided details. I don’t gloss over my own country’s inhumane origins of genocidal racism against our natives, and I support any measure that returns anything they’ve been stripped of.

I’m also in a camp that doesn’t think it’s ok to murder and rape Peter to pay Paul for Patrick’s bill. The Palestinians bear zero responsibility for Jews treatment in Europe. None.

I’m also in a camp that believes “refugee” means you are a guest until you can return home, not a new citizen with more rights than natives.

The European Jews there are invaders acting terribly unreasonably, they’re very Trumpian in their actions, any slight against them is an excuse to go full bore Hitler against those kids with rocks.

I don’t “just declare invasion”. It was an invasion.
Foreign people came unwanted and illegally into the country and took over by force. That’s called an invasion in English by most definitions, and an invasion it was.
The forceful invaders are ALWAYS the bad guys, the oppressors are ALWAYS the bad guys, the expansionists are ALWAYS the bad guys. That describes all the Israeli people. They are the bad guys, whether they intended to be or not.

bcglorf said:

"Who the fuck cares what the reason they wanted to invadeflee was?"

Characterization matters a little here, no?

"They had a right to refugee status there, not to take control and possession by force"

Which is at the heart of things.

The Arab narrative is that Jews arrived guns loaded and set about pillaging, killing and invading as soon as they had sufficient numbers, while the poor domestic Arab population had only been trying to assist and welcome in the refugees...

Which is ahistorical propaganda.

The reality is that for the most part, the European Jews arriving in Palestine were refugees and acting like refugees. Meaning they mostly just wanted to be able to provide food, shelter and safety for the families, just like everyone else. Most of them tried to set about doing this by legally purchasing land.

Lots of the local Arabs similarly were content to get along.

At that same time though, there were hardcore Zionists among the Jewish arrivals AND there were xenophobic elements willing to use violence within the Arab population too.

The tensions rose as the populations rose, but largely as a result of a large people being displaced, and NOT as the planned invasion you describe. The local Arab population started to band together to refuse to work, trade or sell to Jews. Violence broke out instigated separately on smallish scales by BOTH sides. Escalating violence followed, again back and forth between sides.

I'm in a camp that has a hard time blaming either the domestic Arab population for distress at the huge influx of refugees, nor for the European Jewish people having a low tolerance for discrimination and violence directed there way solely for being Jewish.

I see it as a huge mess, but with two large populations of Jewish and Arab people in Palestine acting not terribly unreasonably under circumstances of extreme pressure.

I think it's lazy and convenient to just declare 'invasion' so that you can simplify it all down to right/wrong and good guy/bad guy....

Palestinian UN Ambassador At UN

newtboy says...

In short-The small population of Arab natives along with a native Jewish minority welcomed a relatively small number of European Jewish refugees in the (edit:20’s and early) 30’s while under British rule (but with a date set for their independence by the League of Nations, a date that came and went without ever establishing a Palestinian state). Then in the 40’s (even by mid 30’s)the Jewish minority, America, and England ignored their pleas to minimize immigration, ignored immigration laws, and invited a major invasion, so many European Jews came illegally that the Arab natives quickly became the minority, then had all rights stripped by the now well armed invaders that now claimed their land and property…invaders that kept coming by the millions. How is that not an invasion of squatters?
It’s a complete abandonment of the Palestinian Mandate the Brits ruled under, which was allowed internationally after ww1 for the sole purpose of getting Palestine in a position to rule themselves, something the Brits failed to even try then actively sabotaged by supporting the mass immigration of millions of European Jews, and was the biggest possible “fuck off and die” to the Palestinian people that had cooperated fully with the international plan for their independent future that was unceremoniously stripped from them and handed to Israel.
From that point, details don’t matter so much. Invading occupying forces don’t get to whine because the natives won’t just go away and die….at least I’m not listening when they do. Want to stop being attacked, stop murdering innocents and taking land.

I wonder why you think Israel is not so dominant seeing as they already proved repeatedly their military dominance even when their neighbors band together. Not one of the countries you mentioned has an advanced military, they are last gen at best, really two or more generations behind, and have third world resources not trillions to spend. Iraq proved that advanced weapons beat numbers hands down every single time. Unless Iran gets a nuke capable of getting through the highest levels of missile defense on the planet, their “neighbors” (Palestines allies) pose no actual threat to Israel and a pretty minor threat to the expansionist settlers invading Palestine.

I never ignored any rolls of the neighbors supporting, arming, and instigating unrest…but those roles are minuscule compared to the actions of Israel. Nothing recruits for Hamas like the Israeli army. Nothing creates more terrorists than murderous settlers. No other factor has 1% the effect that Israel’s own actions do in creating enemies.
Murderous expansionist settlers should be eliminated with prejudice immediately. They are the biggest factor driving Israel’s murderous regime to murder more innocents.
If Israel acted civilly instead of treating the natives like the Nazis treated them, its neighbors couldn’t easily convince angry teens to pick up guns and shoot Israelis. Give the Palestinians something to lose, or they’ll have nothing to lose, a chip on their shoulder, and a clear enemy responsible for their plight. This is the official recipe for a terrorist.

Blaming the neighbors is like claiming N Carolina is RESPONSIBLE for all shootings in N Y because some guns used are procured there…nonsense. They are complicit, but minimally so. It’s the shooters motives you need to look at, not the store they use. Why are they so ready to sacrifice their lives to just shoot or throw rocks AT Israel (99/100 times hitting nothing)? Because they have nothing to lose but life in an ever shrinking ghetto ruled over by a foreign racist regime that wants them just gone and is more than happy to starve children to death and bomb refugee camps to accomplish that goal.
The neighbors didn’t invade, expel, ghettoize, and gleefully murder the Palestinian people, that was Israel.

Blaming the victims is not an argument that will win many over…and no question the Palestinian people are the TRUE and only victims.

Where are the European countries now…the same ones that facilitated the Jewish invasion should be obligated to enforce the borders, and/or take the Palestinian refugees and free them from the ghetto/prison Israel keeps them in….but none are.

Side note- I keep hearing people who support Palestinians described as anti semitic. It bears noting that European Jews, the VAST majority of Israelis, are NOT Semitic…but all Palestinians are. Being pro-Israel is actually and factually anti-Semitic.

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bobknight33 says...

Hamas took over the Gaza Strip after a brief civil war back in 2006 / 2007 . Before that Fatah was a major Palestinian political party that began in 1965 as the Palestinian National Liberation Movement. Fatah wanted to negotiate back to the 67 boundaries.

Hamas – Does not recognize Israel, but accepts a Palestinian state on 1967 borders
Fatah – Recognizes Israel, wants to build a state on 1967 borders






Israel should stop advancing and leave it to the Palestine to find and and capture Hamas.
To pressure this no aid to Palestine. Their desperation will weed out Hamas.



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