They had just finished a very contentious penalty. That could've been called in the 93rd and finally taken in the 96th or 97th, therefore you still have time left.

Nice side step bob.

Good thing you still had time to reaffirm your faith to yourself.

Now, we were talking about going one "god" further...

I had thought that there was still a time limit on the promotes. I hadn't understood featured videos fall off only when pushed off.

What I don't like is being at the mercy of folks promoting. If four people promote at once or in quick succession, then somebody's attempt to promote is lost. Completely.

I understand about wasted promotes. Before I figured out the timing of it, I wasted many a power point promoting in the middle of the night (I got me some Aussie votes, but that was about it.)

I don't mind making poor choices for myself -- I hate -- and I mean HATE -- being at the mercy of other people's choices.

But dag says there will be a conversation soon. Yippee!

Yay! I am very excited to get a divine VS mug AND Beta access! Thanks so much for the contest. With all all the hard work you guys do, you still have time and energy create fun contests!! Dag and Lucky, you are the best, and hope version 5 will be awesome

>> ^ant:

>> ^alcom:
So true, so true.

Me too. I don't even game anymore.


Still no time for it. I don't even play random and quick Flash games these days. VS and others are my new addictions.

>> ^VIR:
Listening to him gives me the courage to face the fear of my death, and reminds me that death itself is as natural in our world as is birth. upvote.


Walking through a mine field, courage may get you to the other side, or it may get you blown to pieces. What is important is what the truth is. Is the path you're on leading you to disaster? Are there any live mines in your path? What you need is a map, and that doesn't come from man, it comes from God. The bible says it is appointed once for man to die, and then the judgment. Which means death may be natural, but it isn't the end. What you should fear is not when your life ends, but when you are standing before God on judgment day, with no forgiveness for your sins. You need the salvation of Jesus Christ so you can escape condemnation, and receive eternal life. That is what Jesus did for you on the cross. He took the punishment for your sins so that you can be forgiven.

You have faith that Christopher Hitchens is no more, but have you thought about the alternative? That right now, Christopher is well aware there is a God, and would do anything he could to take back what he said and repent while he was here? Unfortunately, it is too late for him, but it isn't for you. Turn from your sins and get right with God while you still have time. Don't put your eternal future at stake because of the choices someone else made. Seek God and hear what He has to say, because He wants to save you from Christophers fate.

Even in death he still has time to work on his abs!

GotDAMN Bruti79, that's blatant! Another reason to resent rather than respect city officials I did a search and found there's now an option for fighting parking tickets online, implemented earlier this year: http://www.toronto.ca/pay-toronto-tickets/disputes.htm
Limited, but it's something.
>> ^Bruti79:

>> ^rosekat:
Similarly here in the Greater Toronto area, Parking Enforcement has issued me tickets that are false. A ticket for unmetered parking, when I've STILL GOT TIME on the meter, and one for parking past midnight in a paid parking zone in which it is CLEARLY permitted. The tickets are low enough ($30-$40) that it's cheaper to pay them than to take time off work to fight them - which often requires two trips to the courthouse. Plus I live 25 mins to an hour outside downtown Toronto depending on time of day. It's SO damned aggravating to have to suck it up and pay for a blatant cash grab!
To gripe further, I'd love to take transit in but the transit system is so underdeveloped that it's simply not a timely option.

Fact!
I used to live near College and Bathurst in little Italy, and would catch parking Enforcement on a side street writing a pad of tickets. They'd walk out and issue the tickets as parking in expired parking zones, but they issued the ticket an hour before the time expired on the sign, and it was written on the ticket as an hour after the allotted time.
I caught another one once while in the car, and looked at him as he filled out his stack of tickets, he turned his car on and drove off. I came back down that street an hour or so later, and all the cars had been ticketed. =P

>> ^rosekat:

Similarly here in the Greater Toronto area, Parking Enforcement has issued me tickets that are false. A ticket for unmetered parking, when I've STILL GOT TIME on the meter, and one for parking past midnight in a paid parking zone in which it is CLEARLY permitted. The tickets are low enough ($30-$40) that it's cheaper to pay them than to take time off work to fight them - which often requires two trips to the courthouse. Plus I live 25 mins to an hour outside downtown Toronto depending on time of day. It's SO damned aggravating to have to suck it up and pay for a blatant cash grab!
To gripe further, I'd love to take transit in but the transit system is so underdeveloped that it's simply not a timely option.


Fact!

I used to live near College and Bathurst in little Italy, and would catch parking Enforcement on a side street writing a pad of tickets. They'd walk out and issue the tickets as parking in expired parking zones, but they issued the ticket an hour before the time expired on the sign, and it was written on the ticket as an hour after the allotted time.

I caught another one once while in the car, and looked at him as he filled out his stack of tickets, he turned his car on and drove off. I came back down that street an hour or so later, and all the cars had been ticketed. =P

Similarly here in the Greater Toronto area, Parking Enforcement has issued me tickets that are false. A ticket for unmetered parking, when I've STILL GOT TIME on the meter, and one for parking past midnight in a paid parking zone in which it is CLEARLY permitted. The tickets are low enough ($30-$40) that it's cheaper to pay them than to take time off work to fight them - which often requires two trips to the courthouse. Plus I live 25 mins to an hour outside downtown Toronto depending on time of day. It's SO damned aggravating to have to suck it up and pay for a blatant cash grab!

To gripe further, I'd love to take transit in but the transit system is so underdeveloped that it's simply not a timely option.

>> ^Lawdeedaw:

It is a worthwhile opinion you have Opus.
But I don't think my last sentence was understood. "Reason" implies some gain, need, or selfish nature behind why someone does something. The cop get's paid. Sure. And if that's his sole reason--meh, he is not a hero. But why did he do it? If she fell, he would still have his job, pay, benefits, still get good reviews. When he fucks up once or twice in life he will still face the same punishment--regardless if hero or not...
Example of what I mean by "why."
I run into the street and nearly get hit by a car to save your child! Yay, I am a hero. But I throw your kid in the back of my van afterwards for nefarious purposes! Ewww, not so hero-ish now... But I saved his/her life, that's gotta count for something..
I know ^ sounds a bit on the sensationalized lines--but that is the area where my mind is when I say why. And it is almost impossible to explain, properly my point of view without an example.
>> ^Opus_Moderandi:
Totally disagree with your last sentence. IMHO, the less reason you have for doing something, like saving a life, the more heroic the action.
I DO agree that it doesn't have to be in a life threatening situation to bring out heroic action in someone. But I also think that a real hero is one that you never hear about. The ones that do heroic things without recognition or reward.
You shouldn't need a why to be a hero...
Not to lessen the magnitude of this cop's actions but, if it had been some average joe that had saved this woman's life, how much more press coverage would there have been? I have to agree with EMPIRE, I think the word "hero" is misused for this situation. He was doing his job. Cops are supposed to do this. Doctors save lives every day but, hero isn't the first word that comes to everyone's mind when they do. It's only heroic if you're not obligated to do it.

>> ^Lawdeedaw:
I think a hero can be more than a dangerous situation or accomplishments..
The man who works his fingers to the bone for his children and still has time to throw them around in the air like superman (That's to you dad.)
The woman who looks to an abusive husband and says, "Fuck you, I don't need you." (That's to you Mrs. Lawdeedaw--when she did that to her previous husband.)
The little girl who returns the penny to the man who dropped it because his mother gives 'that nod' to her. Then the man who smiles at her, and gives her a dollar for the effort.
We have sensationized 'hero' so much that few people are heroes at all. The Soldiers fighting the wars? Mecenaries. The cops? Same. It is why you do something that vastly outweights what you do.



I actually DO understand what you're saying and I also think you are sort of proving my point.

You're looking for a reason for him to be motivated to save her and if that reason is "nefarious" then he is not a hero. I'm saying having a reason at all makes him not a hero. The nature of his job obligates him to try and save her and THAT is his reason, To Protect and To Serve. He has to try and save her. His job overrides his personal motivation (as it should with every cop).

If she had fallen yes, he would still have his job but, he would have failed at it. Not sure about "good reviews" and he would probably have some guilt issues to work out.

I had this argument with a friend about altruism and being nice for no reason, which I said he never does. A few days after the discussion he said he had done this kindly, selfless act for someone. "See? I can be altruistic." he says. I said the very fact that he told someone about it negates the "kindness" of it because recognition was motivating him to do it.

If this cop had been off duty and just happened to be walking by, that would have made it an entirely different situation. It's the old argument "Is it better to have a reason for doing good than no reason at all?" IMO, it's the latter.

This is not to say there are no heroes in the police force. Or fire fighters, or doctors... But, is it more heroic if a cop saves a life (which they are trained to do and is their job) or just some average person does it (with no training and no connection to the life saved)?

It is a worthwhile opinion you have Opus.

But I don't think my last sentence was understood. "Reason" implies some gain, need, or selfish nature behind why someone does something. The cop get's paid. Sure. And if that's his sole reason--meh, he is not a hero. But why did he do it? If she fell, he would still have his job, pay, benefits, still get good reviews. When he fucks up once or twice in life he will still face the same punishment--regardless if hero or not...

Example of what I mean by "why."

I run into the street and nearly get hit by a car to save your child! Yay, I am a hero. But I throw your kid in the back of my van afterwards for nefarious purposes! Ewww, not so hero-ish now... But I saved his/her life, that's gotta count for something..

I know ^ sounds a bit on the sensationalized lines--but that is the area where my mind is when I say why. And it is almost impossible to explain, properly my point of view without an example.

>> ^Opus_Moderandi:

Totally disagree with your last sentence. IMHO, the less reason you have for doing something, like saving a life, the more heroic the action.
I DO agree that it doesn't have to be in a life threatening situation to bring out heroic action in someone. But I also think that a real hero is one that you never hear about. The ones that do heroic things without recognition or reward.
You shouldn't need a why to be a hero...
Not to lessen the magnitude of this cop's actions but, if it had been some average joe that had saved this woman's life, how much more press coverage would there have been? I have to agree with EMPIRE, I think the word "hero" is misused for this situation. He was doing his job. Cops are supposed to do this. Doctors save lives every day but, hero isn't the first word that comes to everyone's mind when they do. It's only heroic if you're not obligated to do it.

>> ^Lawdeedaw:
I think a hero can be more than a dangerous situation or accomplishments..
The man who works his fingers to the bone for his children and still has time to throw them around in the air like superman (That's to you dad.)
The woman who looks to an abusive husband and says, "Fuck you, I don't need you." (That's to you Mrs. Lawdeedaw--when she did that to her previous husband.)
The little girl who returns the penny to the man who dropped it because his mother gives 'that nod' to her. Then the man who smiles at her, and gives her a dollar for the effort.
We have sensationized 'hero' so much that few people are heroes at all. The Soldiers fighting the wars? Mecenaries. The cops? Same. It is why you do something that vastly outweights what you do.

Totally disagree with your last sentence. IMHO, the less reason you have for doing something, like saving a life, the more heroic the action.

I DO agree that it doesn't have to be in a life threatening situation to bring out heroic action in someone. But I also think that a real hero is one that you never hear about. The ones that do heroic things without recognition or reward.

You shouldn't need a why to be a hero...

Not to lessen the magnitude of this cop's actions but, if it had been some average joe that had saved this woman's life, how much more press coverage would there have been? I have to agree with EMPIRE, I think the word "hero" is misused for this situation. He was doing his job. Cops are supposed to do this. Doctors save lives every day but, hero isn't the first word that comes to everyone's mind when they do. It's only heroic if you're not obligated to do it.


>> ^Lawdeedaw:

I think a hero can be more than a dangerous situation or accomplishments..
The man who works his fingers to the bone for his children and still has time to throw them around in the air like superman (That's to you dad.)
The woman who looks to an abusive husband and says, "Fuck you, I don't need you." (That's to you Mrs. Lawdeedaw--when she did that to her previous husband.)
The little girl who returns the penny to the man who dropped it because his mother gives 'that nod' to her. Then the man who smiles at her, and gives her a dollar for the effort.
We have sensationized 'hero' so much that few people are heroes at all. The Soldiers fighting the wars? Mecenaries. The cops? Same. It is why you do something that vastly outweights what you do.

I think a hero can be more than a dangerous situation or accomplishments..

The man who works his fingers to the bone for his children and still has time to throw them around in the air like superman (That's to you dad.)

The woman who looks to an abusive husband and says, "Fuck you, I don't need you." (That's to you Mrs. Lawdeedaw--when she did that to her previous husband.)

The little girl who returns the penny to the man who dropped it because his mother gives 'that nod' to her. Then the man who smiles at her, and gives her a dollar for the effort.

We have sensationized 'hero' so much that few people are heroes at all. The Soldiers fighting the wars? Mecenaries. The cops? Same. It is why you do something that vastly outweights what you do.

*Steps off soapbox.

>> ^messenger:
I mostly like the risk/sacrifice definition of "hero", but I think there's also an element of "saving a dire situation with a feat of excellence at a critical moment". It's like when Joe Carter hit his walk-off home run to end the 1993 World Series (heroic), as opposed to when he merely caught the ball in a routine play at 1st base to win the 1994 series (not heroic). That's the one that I feel applies here which unquestionably makes this guy a hero.>> ^burdturgler:
>> ^EMPIRE:
He saved her, and that's great. Really is.
But... isn't the word hero being thrown around rather lightly? Why was that heroic at all?

I can't win with titles on the sift. I say a cop smashes a girls teeth out and I get called a liar because her teeth were only chipped out, not knocked out. A cop leaps forward and snatches a girl when she has half an inch of ass on the ledge of a 40 foot roof.. "hero" is too strong a word.
You say he saved her life and then ask why that's heroic in the same comment. Isn't that enough? What did you do today?

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