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>> ^Ryjkyj:
Wow danny,
Let me clarify:
Rich americans (and others) are the ones vacationing in dubai and investing in the properties there. The whole thing just seems like a wasteful overindulgence to me. I'm happy that the people there have jobs and that it helps their economy but if I know rich developers(and I'm a construction manager in NYC), they're not paying very much.
It seems like you're railing me for my comments but then going on to list a bunch of negatives about the country? Not sure I follow the logic there.
PS: I realize that you're probably exposed to the worst of my culture every day but I'm kind of offended by your overgeneralization. I'm a hard-working stiff like most of the rest of the world, only with the advantages afforded me by being a US citizen. I can't remember the last time I took a vacation and I couldn't even afford a gun. Oh, and I don't dance.
If I judge solely by your comment, it would appear to me that the reason the rest of the world hates america is ignorance. There are real people here you know.


You've really changed your tune from your first post here to your second. Or you've given the wrong impression in your first. Firstly, you're agreeing with someone saying "HAHAHAHAHAHA" because dubai's prosperity is on the fall, so that doesn't put you in good moral standing, but then you say "screw dubai".

So exactly what is your opinion? Are you laughing at their declining prosperity or not? It appears you are, and then it appears you're back tracking. So clear it up and fix your comments if that's not what you meant.

I'm railing you for your random celebration (as it appeared to me) at the declining prosperity in dubai. Then i'm explaining why i think the idea is doomed to failure - because they are exlusive (in a literal sense, excluding of others/other things), insular, occasionally archaic (by the standards i hold), often racially discriminating, and they fight to remain that way.

I base that on evidence, and facts that have been presented to me by people i trust, i do not begrudge them their prosperity and i do not rejoice or mourn their lack of it. I simply have an opinion about whether their plan will work. I also have an opinion about the way they run their country and their people, which i am entitled to, just as you are. And in fact, you're entitled to rejoice and celebrate at their lack of prosperity - you're under no obligation to impress me. I just happen to have an opinion about people who rejoice at another people's lack of prosperity too.

I think our disagreement is that i railed you for rejoicing, and you say you didn't. I hope you understand why i thought so.

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As for people saying "good, i'm glad they're gonna phail" - well i'm not. I think the island was beautiful, i think any monuments and expressions of wealth and power are amazing. The seven wonders of the ancient world were built to demonstrate power and wealth, and nothing is better than humans acknowledging and marvelling at how far we can drive ourselves and what wonders we can create when we put our minds to it. It's a beautiful thing. In 2000 years, what will they have to remember us by? What will our 7 wonders be? I hope it's not starbucks. I want someone to build a hanging garden ala babylon. Only bigger, and more beautiful, and i want to walk in it before i die. I love grand and exciting projects for the sake of exhibition. They haven't killed anyone doing it. It's not like they've polluted or pillaged the land any more than we have in our quest for mediocrity - at least they're doing it on a grand scale! Even IF the product they sold for their money (oil) is responsible for heavy pollution and loss of the fauna of the earth, it's everyone's fault, not theirs. They had a product which people wanted and they wanted it bad. Don't blame them for providing us with the tools to pollute, we scurried our lives away to buy the shit they had to sell, and it's our fault as much as theirs.

How many lives have been lost due to our own religion, technological advances, armies, industrial waste, commercial and residential expansion, cosmetic testing, need i go on? We're as bad as they are but at least there'll be more beauty in the world. If we were making gorgeous buildings and glorious projects to enrich our lives and inspire ourselves at half the ecological and economical cost, you might have an argument. Fuck you for hating them because they want to make something special and secure their future.

I've gone on a bit of a rant here, but i couldn't give a fuck. Fuck everyone who's so bitter in their jealousy. And if you have a valid reason for rejoicing their lack of prosperity, then good for you, this wasn't aimed at you.

I fuckin pray less ugly, useless things are made in our countries (at little ecological and economical cost) and more beautiful, inspiration things are made in theirs (at greater ecological and economical cost). Little cost lots of times, large cost fewer times, it balances out, don't try and mount a false high horse.