>> ^CaptainPlanet420:
You must by default be pro-abortion to be pro-choise.

You must by default be pro-sex to be pro-life.

The main issue, which Obama states rather clearly, is that the most effective ways to reduce both abortions and unwanted pregnancies is not the il/legaliziation of abortion.

Most of the hardcore pro-life crowd are also strongly anti-sex-ed, which is completely inconsistent with their claim that they want to reduce abortions. Reality-based sex-ed , and anonymously available birth-control and reproductive health services are the best way to stop unintended pregnancy, and STI's.

Stopping unwanted pregnancies stops abortions, simple as that.

>> ^iwastheturkey Pro-choice, the actual phrase, means supporting the right to choose. Pro-abortion would mean you think abortion is the right choice.


oh god the ludicrousy of someone being pro-abortion. someone (funnier than me) should make a short. "i believe abortion is the only acceptable reaction to pregnancy. anything else and ur going to hell."

>> ^CaptainPlanet420:
You must by default be pro-abortion to be pro-choise. Only you kids on here would argue otherwise.
Don't kill the environment, noooooo, and don't kill that poor kitty, nooooo, but let's suck little Johnny's brains out thru a tube, while still in the womb. I think in high skool they called ya'll "posers." hahahahaha, too easy


why go for just the brain. you apparently have some sort of tube de suck, get the whole fetus.
I really really want to hit you.
who else thinks a kitten = human fetus -if it saves a single PERSONS life, you can kill them both. idk wtf that environment comment was. i didn't know that pro-choicers were all green hippies (no offense hippies)

edit: ur name is stupid.

>> ^jetako:
Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that Bill is absolutely agreeable here. Guess what bucko, it's not your flipping decision whether a woman you've never met aborts her child. Not your business in the slightest.


that may be true for you and i, but when he (anyone) takes the stance that the abortion is a murder, it becomes their business. i'm assuming there is no secret motive behind the pro-lifers, and they just feel morally offended in the highest degree. to them, it would be the same as you killing your four year old boy (that's scary).

so the solution is in finding a resolution to the definition of human life, but when someone is already preaching about saving your soul and the sanctity of sperm, the waters are bound to get a little murky.

Obama's point here is a good one, and i think the conservatives have to concede that hitting at the roots of why woman have abortions and solving some of these problems is something both sides should have long since started working towards together.

>> ^CaptainPlanet420:
You must by default be pro-abortion to be pro-choise. Only you kids on here would argue otherwise.
Don't kill the environment, noooooo, and don't kill that poor kitty, nooooo, but let's suck little Johnny's brains out thru a tube, while still in the womb. I think in high skool they called ya'll "posers." hahahahaha, too easy



I think in high school they call you a dumbass.
Hahahahaha, too easy.

>> ^NordlichReiter:
^
Always fall back on ad hominem, when faced with a challenging statement.

I'm confused. This clip only contains information about obama and abortion. I find it really odd that you posted up all your gun rights info on this video's comment section. So if we're going to talk debate tactics, I'd say switching to a whole 'nother topic is poor form.


>> ^CaptainPlanet420:
You must by default be pro-abortion to be pro-choise.


I disagree with that statement. Pro-choice, the actual phrase, means supporting the right to choose. Pro-abortion would mean you think abortion is the right choice.

If you support voting for the president, then you already recognize this difference. You do not want people to vote for the candidate you don't like, but you still want them to get a choice to vote for him or not. Just because you support their right to choose who they want to be president does not mean you support who they're going to vote for. In fact you may even be adamantly against one candidate or the other, while still supporting my right to vote for that person.

>> ^dag:
Bill, your simplistic view of humanity is almost absurd. Every fiber of a human being is meant for procreation, not everyone has the will to resist that urge though we try very hard.
To say that it's a woman's decision to "keep her pants on" is ridiculously naive and fairly misogynistic.
You belong in the 50s neo-victorian era. Your views would be right at home. Pass the Brill cream.
There, I feel better. Thanks for being around Bill'O - you're like the wingnut practice sparring partner of the Sift. Now to head over to MichelleMalkin's site.


Every fiber, eh? So our artistic side, our religious side, our scientific side, they don't mean squat, eh?

And isn't it a woman's choice to keep her pants on? If not, who's is it? The government's? Barack Obama would like you to think so, I'm sure...

Look, all you LiberalSift regulars can debate this issue till the cows come home, but you all know you can't compete with my superior wit and reasoning, so let's just call it a win for me and leave it at that.

>> ^kronosposeidon:
"I should be home by 6:00, honey. I gotta pick up the dry cleaning, take the kids to soccer practice, go to the hairdresser's, and if I have a few extra minutes I'll get an abortion. I won $500 on the scratch-off lottery tickets, so why not?"


If it was such a "tough" decision to have an abortion, the woman wouldn't have gotten pregnant in the first place to force her to make said decision. It seems that keeping their pants on is the real decision women have to make, eh?

So yes, I call bull crap. Of course, that's pretty much what comes out of Obama's mouth all of the time anyway...

Setting aside the misleading title, tags, and description, you could have posted a video with the full answer he gave some 20 seconds after this clip ends.

As for "not having an opinion" he gave one: which was that we don't know when life begins, only God does.

You can disagree with that (and he does discuss that in his full answer), but you can't call that part of his answer a dodge, just humility.

He goes on to talk about reducing abortions through providing greater education and assistance to the people who're likely to wind up with an unwanted pregnancy...but I'm sure that's just Christian Marxist craziness to you. Probably something he got from his "crazy" pastor about helping the least of us.