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Learning English: "Ough" is tough to figure out

george carlin-how language is used to mask truth

dannym3141 says...

Let's remember he's a comedian, it's pretty facile to overlook the fact that he has to be both entertaining and funny regardless of the message he wants to get across. It is extremely difficult to be funny enough to attract widespread popularity as a comedian and at the same time exhaustively cover a nuanced topic to deliver the most devastatingly convincing points.

I know it's that difficult because no one can do it. Ricky Gervais tries to do it sometimes but he either sacrifices the comedy in lieu of the message or vice versa. Who is to say if he would be as popular as he is now if he didn't do that?

So then is it better to make the perfect point to a smaller number of people, or to make a point to a lot of people and hopefully inspire them to take an interest or discuss it? Well, here we are discussing it, so i think he probably achieved exactly what he wanted to.

Carlin said that if the context is right, any word is fine. But in your "stupid" example, you try to discredit Carlin by describing a context which is clearly not right. So it turns out this is just a strawman argument. He didn't say he wants people called stupid (or retarded) or n-word like the old days, he said that words like retarded and n-word are ok in context. I don't know how you can disagree with that. I also don't know why i censored the n-word because the context was right, but it felt a bit gratuitous when i wrote it.

Babymech said:

I think most of his examples are specious and his fundamental point is grossly shortsighted and insular. When he says 'words don't mean negative things by themselves; context matters,' he's almost right - but the context isn't just the speaker's intent,* it's a million other factors, things that Carlin pointedly ignores.

Still, I know a lot of the Sift audience wants to think that Carlin's point rings true. But does anyone think that it would be more useful, more constructive, and more honest, to call every learning disability 'stupidity'? How would that help us in any way? What could we accomplish with the help of this 'honesty'?


*It's also not 'just' the listener's experience

Achtung - Words of the World

ulysses1904 says...

I find this stuff very interesting, will be visiting that site. Something I noticed about native Spanish speakers is that when they speak English they put a slight "eh" sound at the beginning of English words that start with "st" or "sp", as no Spanish words start with those consonants. So they pronounce the word "Spanish" as "ehSpanish". Which leads to Ricky Ricardo over-correcting and trying to perfect his accent by removing the "e" sound where it actually belongs, like "(ex)splaining" and "(e)xactly".

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Making sure your pressure washer is ready for lending

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"Gangstas Paradise" - (Very Cool 1920's Version)

lucky760 says...

Me like.

*promote

This reminds me: Being a huge fan of I Love Lucy, I've wished for years I could patronize an old-fashioned night club like Ricky's Club Tropicana with a big band and dancers. Do those still exist? Methinks not.

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oritteropo says...

Something that may interest you, on the subject of plutocracy, is that of our 76 federal senators and probably the 150 MPs, as far as I know we have exactly ONE who comes from a disadvantaged background, Ricky Muir. If you follow that link, then under speeches is a transcript of his recent first speech to the Senate. He does ramble a little bit, but all the Australian papers have summaries, as does the ABC.

Ricky Gervais Was A Wannabe Pop Star In The 80's

A10anis says...

Just read your "charming" comment regarding Craig Ferguson and now you vent your jealous bile on Ricky Gervais. Hmm, it is clear to see who the sad little man is. They have achieved something, your contribution is what exactly???

billpayer said:

such an egotist, now he's just 'a sad little fat man'

Ricky Gervais Was A Wannabe Pop Star In The 80's

Classic Heavyweight Title Fight: Dempsey vs. Willard c. 1919

lucky760 says...

Watching I Love Lucy season 2 episode 28, "Lucy Wants New Furniture," and Ethel says Lucy's impending argument with Ricky will be the best fight "since Dempsey fought Willard." I was curious what she was referencing. This is that fight.

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Ricky Gervais' Guilty Pleasures

Fairbs says...

I also don't like Ron White who most of my friends think is hysterical. Not sure exactly what it is. Ron and Ricky fall in the arse category, but so do Bill Burr and Larry David in Curb, but I like both of them alot. Congrats on the new token. Fits well with your screen name. Or maybe that's what you've been trying for all along. Clever lad (lass) that Alien Concept

alien_concept said:

Ok, well I don't think I would be able to convince you otherwise. He's quite the love him or hate him type and he certainly seems to revel in playing this arsehole, up himself character, almost begging for people to take him that way. I think beneath that there is a lot more going on. I could be wrong, but who cares anyway



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