I was busy digging out my vinyl copy of Relics and a record player.

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You know what I find beautiful about records? I actually have to pay attention to the record. They stop playing after some time and if I want to skip a song or listen to a specific song, it requires physical interaction with the medium the music is recorded on. It focuses me more on the music as I'm more likely to sit in front of the record player, listening instead of doing something else.
You know what I love about the WalkMan? It has buttons. I can feel a button. I can press it without looking at it. I must look at a touchscreen. I must.
A WalkMan has batteries that I casn change anytime. A MP3-Player has a built in battery. If it's empty, I have to recharge, I can't just exchange it.

New isn't always better in every way.

Allow me to edit the note to yourself and suggest you dust off your trusty old record player and treat yourself to a more authentic reminiscence.

Point out to me where I said you said it's impossible. This is yet another pretense; now you're putting words in my mouth. I just don't get you now? What? Come on. I'm having a friendly debate with you, not constructing a psychological profile. I think it's safe to say that our understanding of one another is still fairly superficial. Perhaps in some misguided way you got offended by something I've been saying all along, like you could somehow fail to understand I was certain about my beliefs, but now that I've explained how I could be certain and contrasted that to your beliefs, and proven that you could only justify your beliefs in the exact same way (except with vicious circularity), you bail. I just don't think you have a refutation here. That's fine. That's your call. I'm glad the conversation is here for people to see. I hope someone gets something out of it.

>> ^messenger:

@shinyblurry
Almost every sentence you wrote shows you don't understand me and you're internalizing little of what I say. I can go back in our chats and find dozens of places where I told you that I don't discount a creator, for instance, yet you keep banging your drum, that I say it's impossible, which I've never said even once. I'm done repeating myself to a record player. Enjoy your ideas.

@shinyblurry

Almost every sentence you wrote shows you don't understand me and you're internalizing little of what I say. I can go back in our chats and find dozens of places where I told you that I don't discount a creator, for instance, yet you keep banging your drum, that I say it's impossible, which I've never said even once. I'm done repeating myself to a record player. Enjoy your ideas.

best TripHop group evah!

and imo nothing sounds sweeter than Enigma or Massive Attack vinyls on record player

definitely Enigma and Massive Attack are 2 discographies everyone should download

Due to entropy, the 2nd law of thermodynamics, etc, we know that there isn't such a thing as a perpetual motion machine. Everything which begins to exist does appear to end, including the Universe. For instance, the expansion of the Universe into heat death. A record player will wear out, a DVD player will break down. I believe that the temporal is temporary because it was created with a specific purpose which will end. After that, only that which is perfected and can co-exist with God eternally will remain.

Yes, talk of the eternal is intelligible. It doesn't mean we can't grasp a few concepts about it. One, it lasts forever, always has been, always will be. It never began to exist and it will never end. Two, it is essentially perfect, because it doesn't break down. It has no real flaw or weakness. It is self-contained and nothing could be added to it to make it better than it is in this sense.

Yes, you can doubt anything, but reality is orderly. It has a way which works and makes sense. I'm not sure why you believe time is only in the mind, because we can do very precise experiments on forces which show time as an emergent conception. What we perceive of time may be faulty, but clearly everything isn't happening at once; there is a logical progression to events which suggests time is more than in our minds.

As far as astronomical history you're talking about a history which is completely speculative and not based on observation, ie the origin of the moon, dinosaurs etc. If you doubt so much, why do you accept the secular narrative as truth? There are certain things such as the existence of the short period comets that proves a young earth. IE, if they're still here it means the Earth can't be that old. The secular narrative inserts the illusive and unobservable "Oort cloud" which supposedly replenishes all the comets.

Yes, I believe knowledge is certain and true, but I think you must see how limited beings with limited perceptions and knowledge take quite a bit on faith. Just in your normal life, you must see past your senses to navigate and interact with reality. You don't know everything that is going to happen, or even what you do know is even reliable, but you make the best of it. I don't see how anything could pass the "certainty" test.

I said what is spiritual couldn't be empircally proven, but I believe God has material evidence because He is a part of history. Where the rubber meets the road is the resurrection of Christ. God did interact with this world; He redeemed it. God isn't beholden to the world though, as if He needs anything..it is by Grace that He interacts with us. I will also tell you that God proves Himself. He promised to reveal Himself to those who come to Him in repentance of sin, who believe in Him and His resurrection and confess Him as Lord. To those He reveals Himself and grants eternal life. God can change a skeptic to a believer in a nanosecond, but He isn't going to show Himself to the world until the right time. What He wants is a heart willing to change, a broken and contrite heart coming to Him in total humility.

>> ^GeeSussFreeK:
@shinyblurry
There is no logical necessity for time to have an ending only because it had a beginning. A record player spinning with no end comes to mind. There is no reason to assume the end is necessarily destruction. A comparable analogy would be would be when a DVD is over; the fact that it has ended has nothing to do with its eradication. Either is plausible. There is also no reason to assume that something eternal will arise from temporal. It isn't impossible either, mind you, just not necessarily or shown to be the case.
I don't think it is possible to think about what is more plausible about eternity. We have no idea how to predicate eternity. We don't know "Being" is a consistent idea with "Eternal". Any type of talk about eternal is unintelligible. I don't mean that in a rude way, what I mean is I have no reason to believe anything that is said. If 2 things are logically possible, and I have no understanding of what it means to be eternal, then any talk about what is the more "likely" mode of an eternal metaphysics is a fruitless debate, rife with personal bias and little else.
And once again, this whole line of thought revolves around the very subjective idea of time. I have had no compelling argument to show time to be anything more than an experience of minds any more than the color blue. I have no reason to accept time as anything more than the way in which minds alter the information of the universe to make us more successful creatures.
I don't understand, beyond bias, why you would accept data about a young earth vs an old one with any less skepticism. Assuming they are using the same dating methods, why trust 10k year old earth and not 13 billion? The detective work that goes into the methods of age aren't perfect, prone to mis-calibration, and lack true modes to calibrate with, but it never claimed to be exact, just a rough cut. When they talk about the ages of dinosaurs, it usually has 50ish million year give or takes. Even our own solar history, and the history of our moon, and of Mars speak far more about a much older universe than a 10k year old one. I also can't see the Grand Canyon being made in 10k years. But isn't is a debate on the Christion bible, but on a more basic idea.
I am not an empiricist. I believe my classification is either a existential phenomenologist, or perhaps an transcendental idealist...most likely a combination of the two great schools of rationalism and empiricism. For me, knowledge is the same as Descartes put it. It is certain, and it is true. By certain, that means it passes Cartesian doubt. More to the point, it means that it has the right stuff to have an answer to every criticism. It is the opposite of doubt, it is certain. In that, religious evidence fails the certainty test, as the main element of all the great religions isn't knowledge, but faith. So to your point, prove that it can be known, with certainty and without any doubt any of the claims you have made, you would be the first in history to do so, to my knowledge. And to say that God can not be empirically proven seems rather lonely, for it means that God does not interact with this world; as empirical study is the world as it is beholden to man. If God is not beholden to the world which man exists, then he isn't really our God.

@shinyblurry

There is no logical necessity for time to have an ending only because it had a beginning. A record player spinning with no end comes to mind. There is no reason to assume the end is necessarily destruction. A comparable analogy would be would be when a DVD is over; the fact that it has ended has nothing to do with its eradication. Either is plausible. There is also no reason to assume that something eternal will arise from temporal. It isn't impossible either, mind you, just not necessarily or shown to be the case.

I don't think it is possible to think about what is more plausible about eternity. We have no idea how to predicate eternity. We don't know "Being" is a consistent idea with "Eternal". Any type of talk about eternal is unintelligible. I don't mean that in a rude way, what I mean is I have no reason to believe anything that is said. If 2 things are logically possible, and I have no understanding of what it means to be eternal, then any talk about what is the more "likely" mode of an eternal metaphysics is a fruitless debate, rife with personal bias and little else.

And once again, this whole line of thought revolves around the very subjective idea of time. I have had no compelling argument to show time to be anything more than an experience of minds any more than the color blue. I have no reason to accept time as anything more than the way in which minds alter the information of the universe to make us more successful creatures.

I don't understand, beyond bias, why you would accept data about a young earth vs an old one with any less skepticism. Assuming they are using the same dating methods, why trust 10k year old earth and not 13 billion? The detective work that goes into the methods of age aren't perfect, prone to mis-calibration, and lack true modes to calibrate with, but it never claimed to be exact, just a rough cut. When they talk about the ages of dinosaurs, it usually has 50ish million year give or takes. Even our own solar history, and the history of our moon, and of Mars speak far more about a much older universe than a 10k year old one. I also can't see the Grand Canyon being made in 10k years. But isn't is a debate on the Christion bible, but on a more basic idea.

I am not an empiricist. I believe my classification is either a existential phenomenologist, or perhaps an transcendental idealist...most likely a combination of the two great schools of rationalism and empiricism. For me, knowledge is the same as Descartes put it. It is certain, and it is true. By certain, that means it passes Cartesian doubt. More to the point, it means that it has the right stuff to have an answer to every criticism. It is the opposite of doubt, it is certain. In that, religious evidence fails the certainty test, as the main element of all the great religions isn't knowledge, but faith. So to your point, prove that it can be known, with certainty and without any doubt any of the claims you have made, you would be the first in history to do so, to my knowledge. And to say that God can not be empirically proven seems rather lonely, for it means that God does not interact with this world; as empirical study is the world as it is beholden to man. If God is not beholden to the world which man exists, then he isn't really our God.

Hopefully, the aliens will have a record player to play it. I wonder if this record still works. They should include these discs in all space probes, rovers, etc.

I had something similar in the early 80s from the inside of MAD Magazine - only the song was Wierd Al Yankovic singing "Another One Rides The Bus"

It was a page made of paper thin vinyl which was stitched into the seam of the magazine and you could tear it out and place it on an actual record player.

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I've experienced a "haunted" building before. It was in the basement of one of the local Library branches. (I used to do IT work for the network of libraries, so I've been to more than 60 in the county). This happened in the daytime, I was downstairs in the basement checking a network connection on the router or something like that. I heard a distinct 2-person conversation coming from the next room, as well as some old music (1920s?). I assumed it was just other people who worked or volunteered there, so I went about my business. A few minutes later I went in to ask if they knew where a ladder was, but no one was there. Also no radios, record players, computers, etc (anything that can make noise) was in that room. There was only 1 staircase up, and I was between that room and the stairs, so I would have seen someone go up.

I consider myself a skeptic of most things, and was not primed in any way - it was only after the fact, when I told one of the branch workers, that they said "oh yeah that room is haunted", like it was common knowledge and no big deal. Apparently they had many people witness paranormal stuff.

Maybe voices from upstairs could have gone through the ductwork, but that doesn't explain the music.

On a side note, that branch had a statistically significant high rate of blue screens, on identical hardware/software configurations deployed to many other branches. That was eventually tracked down to poor electrical wiring at the site (it's an old building- historic landmark status). When we installed good surge protectors at every PC, instead of plugging into wall, the BSODs dropped down to normal rate... but I prefer to believe that ghosts cause blue screens