That was the great thing about the punk movement... no actual aptitude with instruments or vocals were required. I would lump these guys firmly in the category of punk, or punk rock, or post punk rock.

On the other hand I find it difficult to compare any musicians to Yoko Ono, since she always comes across more as a conceptual artist. Even "Walking on Thin Ice" is more reminiscent of spoken word pieces than anything else:

Tags for this video have been changed from 'post punk, english rock, unknown pleasures' to 'post punk, english rock, unknown pleasures, pulsar, pulsars' - edited by RhesusMonk

So this song made me do some wikipidiaing. I love punk, usually pop punk and stuff that is very ironic or just silly, The Vandals, The Ramones, ect. I have heard of new wave before, but didn't really know what it was. So, this band is classified as indi-new wave. And new wave is basically post punk with a more electronic feel and less "arty" than most post punk (punk takes itself to seriously now a days, you are lost punk, so lost!)

All that to say, I really liked this song, and it somehow reminded me of punk. Now I found the connection and perhaps a brand new genera of music to like

Upvote for being weird, obscure, new wave, post punk... but torn because it's 80s I think my love of weird wins.

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I'm not patronizing by pointing out that this music had it's place and purpose in rock history and just because it doesn't speak to you (and it's not supposed to speak to everyone) doesn't make it any less music then the music you like. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but your coming off as a music snob. There is a lot of music that I don't care for and sounds like crap to me but to each his own.

By saying things like "So, to rebel against clean, clear sounds, one must refuse to learn how to play one's instrument" just shows your ignorance of the genre. People weren't listening to bands like Black Flag, Dead Kennedy's, The Circle Jerks, etc... Because they had a guitarist like Eddie Van Halen or a singer like Elton John...it wasn't about how good you could play your instrument. It was about the sound that you could create and the energy of that sound and the lyrics. The lyrics to one of the songs in this video "New Yorks Alright if you Like Saxophones" are pretty funny. The lyrics to one of the other songs "Let's Have a War" is also some good satire about how war is good for the economy "Jack up the Dow Jones!" and "General Motors get fat like last time!".

I'm not saying that you have to like this or understand this...just explaining why some people do. Your response on the other hand is basically that what I am telling you and what others have told you about the genre and why we like it is all bullshit.

>> ^Stormsinger:
So, to rebel against clean, clear sounds, one must refuse to learn how to play one's instrument, and just scream raggedly into a mike. Got it.
Drop the patronization, please. I'm fully aware of the ridiculous claims made to support the godawful talentless crap they called punk. And it's still nothing but noise. Precisely on the level of the three-year-old throwing a tantrum by screaming and kicking the floor.
I'm not saying there is no value in punk...but the value wasn't actually perceptible until -after- it was gone. Some of the bands now called post-punk are moderately interesting...a few are even very interesting. But that's not a description you'll ever convince me applies to this video.
>> ^Grimm:
And that's why you don't understand...because Rock and Roll isn't all about the "music". It can be, but it's not limited to that. The punk movement came about in part as a rebellion to how sanitized, over-produced, and corporate rock and roll had become in the 70's. You can't rebel against that kind of music by playing that kind of music...in it's extreme form you have to take it to the other end of the spectrum. Raw, three-chords, angry, attitude, expressive, etc... It spoke to a generation who grew up in the 70's to sanitized corporate rock and disco music.
>> ^Stormsinger:
Frankly, I'm really having a hard time making the word "music" stretch to cover that noise.

So, to rebel against clean, clear sounds, one must refuse to learn how to play one's instrument, and just scream raggedly into a mike. Got it.

Drop the patronization, please. I'm fully aware of the ridiculous claims made to support the godawful talentless crap they called punk. And it's still nothing but noise. Precisely on the level of the three-year-old throwing a tantrum by screaming and kicking the floor.

I'm not saying there is no value in punk...but the value wasn't actually perceptible until -after- it was gone. Some of the bands now called post-punk are moderately interesting...a few are even very interesting. But that's not a description you'll ever convince me applies to this video.

>> ^Grimm:
And that's why you don't understand...because Rock and Roll isn't all about the "music". It can be, but it's not limited to that. The punk movement came about in part as a rebellion to how sanitized, over-produced, and corporate rock and roll had become in the 70's. You can't rebel against that kind of music by playing that kind of music...in it's extreme form you have to take it to the other end of the spectrum. Raw, three-chords, angry, attitude, expressive, etc... It spoke to a generation who grew up in the 70's to sanitized corporate rock and disco music.
>> ^Stormsinger:
Frankly, I'm really having a hard time making the word "music" stretch to cover that noise.

Wow, Pandora's first "match" couldn't have been weirder..."The Boy with Two Hearts", by "The Boy Least Likely to". If there was any resemblance there, I couldn't hear it.

A couple more not so good matches, and one by the Kills. Then we get one I've heard once or twice before, "The Ting Tings"...and there's actually a similarity, although The Kills are far more interesting, IMO.

I think Pandora's just getting weird lately...their matches seem to be far sloppier than they used to be. OTOH, that may not be all bad, I'm hearing a lot more new stuff than I had been.

In reply to this comment by inflatablevagina:
i wa sjust on last fm and they said it sounded like the yeah yeah yeahs and the band you heard the other day, BRMC.
In reply to this comment by Stormsinger:
I can feel another Pandora station coming on...I'm really curious to see what other stuff Pandora thinks sounds like this. I'm leaning strongly towards D&B, even though that's not a bass he plays...he still plays it like one (mostly). Although the "sort-of-beatboxing" they do in some spots doesn't really fit anything I've ever heard.

None of that matters though, the only important thing is, I like it.

Again, thanks!

In reply to this comment by inflatablevagina:
It has been described as post punk yuppie indie rock with a base of dance and electronica. So.. you're right!


In reply to this comment by Stormsinger:
What the hell kind of genre does this fall into?

I can hear similarities to d&b, although it isn't. And it vaguely reminds me of LCD Soundsystem, although I couldn't pinpoint why. Same with several electronic sub-genres...although it doesn't appear to exactly fit any of them either. Does it get it's own genre?

Why oh why are you doing this to me? My budget can't handle this influx of new talent!

i wa sjust on last fm and they said it sounded like the yeah yeah yeahs and the band you heard the other day, BRMC.
In reply to this comment by Stormsinger:
I can feel another Pandora station coming on...I'm really curious to see what other stuff Pandora thinks sounds like this. I'm leaning strongly towards D&B, even though that's not a bass he plays...he still plays it like one (mostly). Although the "sort-of-beatboxing" they do in some spots doesn't really fit anything I've ever heard.

None of that matters though, the only important thing is, I like it.

Again, thanks!

In reply to this comment by inflatablevagina:
It has been described as post punk yuppie indie rock with a base of dance and electronica. So.. you're right!


In reply to this comment by Stormsinger:
What the hell kind of genre does this fall into?

I can hear similarities to d&b, although it isn't. And it vaguely reminds me of LCD Soundsystem, although I couldn't pinpoint why. Same with several electronic sub-genres...although it doesn't appear to exactly fit any of them either. Does it get it's own genre?

Why oh why are you doing this to me? My budget can't handle this influx of new talent!

I can feel another Pandora station coming on...I'm really curious to see what other stuff Pandora thinks sounds like this. I'm leaning strongly towards D&B, even though that's not a bass he plays...he still plays it like one (mostly). Although the "sort-of-beatboxing" they do in some spots doesn't really fit anything I've ever heard.

None of that matters though, the only important thing is, I like it.

Again, thanks!

In reply to this comment by inflatablevagina:
It has been described as post punk yuppie indie rock with a base of dance and electronica. So.. you're right!


In reply to this comment by Stormsinger:
What the hell kind of genre does this fall into?

I can hear similarities to d&b, although it isn't. And it vaguely reminds me of LCD Soundsystem, although I couldn't pinpoint why. Same with several electronic sub-genres...although it doesn't appear to exactly fit any of them either. Does it get it's own genre?

Why oh why are you doing this to me? My budget can't handle this influx of new talent!

It has been described as post punk yuppie indie rock with a base of dance and electronica. So.. you're right!


In reply to this comment by Stormsinger:
What the hell kind of genre does this fall into?

I can hear similarities to d&b, although it isn't. And it vaguely reminds me of LCD Soundsystem, although I couldn't pinpoint why. Same with several electronic sub-genres...although it doesn't appear to exactly fit any of them either. Does it get it's own genre?

Why oh why are you doing this to me? My budget can't handle this influx of new talent!

HA!
ill take your european electro/indistrial and raise ya POST PUNK!
http://www.videosift.com/video/LORDS-OF-THE-NEW-CHURCH-open-your-eyes-original-video
dude..really,these guys were awesome!

I'm sure I got it wrong, let me look it up... Of course It exists, but I totally missed it. According to the almighty god Wikipedia, post-punk was really an eighties phenomena. I guess in my mind "post punk" = Green Day. I stand corrected. Anyway, this tune has some good drive to it, whatever genre it may be.

lol I was about to comment that it had some tight hooks and then saw your description.

I didn't even know there was a genre called post-punk. Too many goddamn genres.

I think her delivery is awesome. That song is hackneyed and insipid. I think she gives it a delicious post-punk flavor. She killed it, and to my ear it sounds good. And the first thing you forget when you're soused is the words, which she hasn't, so I think it might be intentional. Some artists do this to shake of superficial stardom and stay in the fight.

I cringe over imagining how many guitarists crawled over each other to get to play that EVH part.

As the true brains behind the Sex Pistols, John Lydon -- formerly Johnny Rotten -- is easily one of the most influential and revered figures in rock & roll. The godfather of British punk, a leader in the arty post-punk movement with Public Image Ltd., and a participant in the alternative rock scene his earlier work helped inspire, Lydon has forged a stubbornly idiosyncratic body of work that reflects both his love of challenging his audience and his snarling contempt for shallowness and conformity.

John Joseph Lydon was born in Finsbury Park, London, England, on January 31, 1956, into a poor, working-class family of Irish descent. At age seven, Lydon contracted spinal meningitis and spent half a year slipping in and out of comas...

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