Hope is an a positive position of bias. There is no certainty that unknown things will end up satisfying hopes. Bias is irrational. Being agnostic to uncertainty is the logical/reasonable stance to the unknown or unknowable. So hope, the feeling that what is wanted can be had or that events will turn out for the best, is irrational.

>> ^IAmTheBlurr:

>> ^GeeSussFreeK:
>> ^Gallowflak:
Pavlov's dogs were trained to salivate because a certain sensory experience was always, every time, followed by them being fed, so it was a reasonable observation and reaction. Superstition is the irrational connection of an actual or potential effect and an imagined cause, which then governs future behaviour.

Hope is irrational as well. There are many cases for irrationality, rationally speaking of course, err wait.

Do you actually think that is true; that hope is irrational? I would contend that, depending on the statistical probability of the outcome that you are hopeful for, hope is almost a default position because no one can entirely know what the future holds, so in that way, there always is hope.
I would also contend that individual hopes might be irrational, but not hope as a concept itself.
Just wanted to clarify what you meant. Obviously the hope that I'll see my dead mother again in an afterlife is an irrational hope but is the hope that I'll get the promotion that I applied for also/equally irrational?

>> ^GeeSussFreeK:

>> ^Gallowflak:
Pavlov's dogs were trained to salivate because a certain sensory experience was always, every time, followed by them being fed, so it was a reasonable observation and reaction. Superstition is the irrational connection of an actual or potential effect and an imagined cause, which then governs future behaviour.

Hope is irrational as well. There are many cases for irrationality, rationally speaking of course, err wait.


Do you actually think that is true; that hope is irrational? I would contend that, depending on the statistical probability of the outcome that you are hopeful for, hope is almost a default position because no one can entirely know what the future holds, so in that way, there always is hope.

I would also contend that individual hopes might be irrational, but not hope as a concept itself.

Just wanted to clarify what you meant. Obviously the hope that I'll see my dead mother again in an afterlife is an irrational hope but is the hope that I'll get the promotion that I applied for also/equally irrational?

>> ^Gallowflak:

Pavlov's dogs were trained to salivate because a certain sensory experience was always, every time, followed by them being fed, so it was a reasonable observation and reaction. Superstition is the irrational connection of an actual or potential effect and an imagined cause, which then governs future behaviour.


Hope is irrational as well. There are many cases for irrationality, rationally speaking of course, err wait.

Pavlov's dogs were trained to salivate because a certain sensory experience was always, every time, followed by them being fed, so it was a reasonable observation and reaction. Superstition is the irrational connection of an actual or potential effect and an imagined cause, which then governs future behaviour.

>> ^RedSky:

You could almost say that superstition is like the Pavlov's dog experiment in humans.


mmmm... not so sure about that. I think Pavlov's experiment shows a response to a certain kind of stimulus (i.e. ringing a bell). Superstition is more like certain behaviors/actions triggering a reward (real or imagined), if I'm not mistaken. Which I often am...

You could almost say that superstition is like the Pavlov's dog experiment in humans.

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An amazing, historic bit of marketing - that I think is actually a lot better than the 1984 commercial. The best part, is that it's true. Here's to the crazy ones.

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Read the link I posted.
Better yet, read the book the link is referring to.

>> ^NetRunner:

>> ^Trancecoach:
Too bad Pavlov's theory of classical conditioning is philosophically unsound.

I think the behavioralist response to that is that there's a lot of evidence that we're simpler machines than we think we are, and that much of our conceptions about our motivations and thought processes are post-hoc justifications of what we did without conscious thought.
I definitely prefer the way philosophers approach human action, but I've got this gnawing doubt that they simply assume we're far more rational than we really are. After all, if we were rational, simple questions like "what is right and what is wrong" wouldn't be so hard to answer.

>> ^Trancecoach:

Too bad Pavlov's theory of classical conditioning is philosophically unsound.


I think the behavioralist response to that is that there's a lot of evidence that we're simpler machines than we think we are, and that much of our conceptions about our motivations and thought processes are post-hoc justifications of what we did without conscious thought.

I definitely prefer the way philosophers approach human action, but I've got this gnawing doubt that they simply assume we're far more rational than we really are. After all, if we were rational, simple questions like "what is right and what is wrong" wouldn't be so hard to answer.

Too bad Pavlov's theory of classical conditioning is philosophically unsound.

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>> ^joedirt:
WTF.. How is this video on the frontpage and with 15+ votes in under 20 minutes??????
It's not new and good, it just more of a weekly repeat.


I'm trained like Pavlov's dog, I don't even watch them anymore, i just upvote I know it's going to be funny anyways, and heck, now i've saved myself myself five minutes that i can spend watching a guy get hit in the nuts... sweeeeet.