>> ^Yogi:

>> ^Jinx:
I don't really care that they made fun of Mexicans, and I have Mexican family. Its what they've always done, and I always thought it was pretty tongue in cheek. I think the real crime here is that it just isn't funny. That and the rest of Top Gear. I used to love that programme, but maybe I've grown up a little bit, or more likely its just got increasingly infantile. Its painful to watch at times such is their desperation to be edgy. The whole show is painfully scripted in what I can only imagine is an attempt to top the last seasons craziness, but its all become a bit too pantomime.
I honestly wouldn't mind if it was put out to pasture.

350 Million people would like you to Shut The Fuck Up!

350 million people's balls haven't dropped.

>> ^Jinx:

I don't really care that they made fun of Mexicans, and I have Mexican family. Its what they've always done, and I always thought it was pretty tongue in cheek. I think the real crime here is that it just isn't funny. That and the rest of Top Gear. I used to love that programme, but maybe I've grown up a little bit, or more likely its just got increasingly infantile. Its painful to watch at times such is their desperation to be edgy. The whole show is painfully scripted in what I can only imagine is an attempt to top the last seasons craziness, but its all become a bit too pantomime.
I honestly wouldn't mind if it was put out to pasture.


350 Million people would like you to Shut The Fuck Up!

I don't really care that they made fun of Mexicans, and I have Mexican family. Its what they've always done, and I always thought it was pretty tongue in cheek. I think the real crime here is that it just isn't funny. That and the rest of Top Gear. I used to love that programme, but maybe I've grown up a little bit, or more likely its just got increasingly infantile. Its painful to watch at times such is their desperation to be edgy. The whole show is painfully scripted in what I can only imagine is an attempt to top the last seasons craziness, but its all become a bit too pantomime.

I honestly wouldn't mind if it was put out to pasture.

A few fireworks and they would of taken off for better pastures.

As per WIkipedia :

There are five types of veal:

* Bob veal, from calves that are slaughtered when only a few days old (70-150 lb.) up to 150 lb.[2]
* Formula-fed (or "milk-fed") veal, from calves that are raised on a milk formula supplement. The meat colour is ivory or creamy pink, with a firm, fine, and velvety appearance. They are usually slaughtered when they reach 18–20 weeks of age (450-500 lb).[3]
* Non-formula-fed ("red" or "grain-fed")[4] veal, from calves that are raised on grain, hay, or other solid food, in addition to milk. The meat is darker in colour, and some additional marbling and fat may be apparent. Usually marketed as calf, rather than veal, at 22–26 weeks of age (650-700 lb).
* Rose veal UK is from calves reared on farms in association with the UK RSPCA's Freedom Food programme. Its name comes from its pink colour, which is a result of the calves being slaughtered at around 35 weeks.[5]
* Free-raised veal, The veal calves are raised in the pasture, have unlimited access to mother’s milk and pasture grasses. They are not administered hormones or antibiotics. These conditions replicate those used to raise authentic pasture-raised veal. The meat is a rich pink color. Free-raised veal are typically lower in fat than other veal.[citation needed] Calves are slaughtered at about 24 weeks of age.

The veal industry's support for the dairy industry goes beyond the purchase of surplus calves. It also buys large amounts of milk by-products. Almost 70% of veal feeds (by weight) are milk products. Most popular are whey and whey protein concentrate (WPC), by-products of the manufacture of cheese. Milk by-products are sources of protein and lactose. Skimmed milk powder, casein, buttermilk powder and other forms of milk by-products are used from time to time.[6]





Source- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veal

I wanted to know a little bit more. Found the video to be funny, very crude.

Now I just have to build a pasture, and I'll have horses... (Hammer your iron when it is glowing hot.)... Oh, crap! I don't have iron!!...

@Sniper007

Eating locally won't help you when you have a local disaster. You missed the point. If everyone is using the maximum available land, nobody has extra food to help when someone else has a shortage.

As to deforestation, and climate change, the whole planet's system is self balancing. More CO2, means faster and stronger the vegetation growth which in turn produces more O2 at a faster rate. More CO2 for humans means shorter life spans, which means less population growth. There is no ability for human intervention to change this global balancing act.


CO2 has more than one effect on the planet. Even if you assume that plants grow faster and stronger with more CO2 (which is bullshit since they need nutrient food in the soil as well...CO2 is just one part of photosynthesis), CO2 is still a greenhouse gas. Furthermore, when the atmosphere is heavy in CO2, it also causes the ocean to become more acidic, which affects all sorts of ocean life, and therefore the food chains which we rely on. You're right to say that the world is self-balancing, but wrong to assume that human survival is automatic no matter what we do.

Maybe the world's limit is 30 billion if people are, as you say, crammed into cities, and the rest of the world is farmed. MAYBE, just MAYBE, that's NOT the most efficient way of living! Maybe people have minds of their own, that they can put to good use to produce their own food on their own land with their own hands as they desire.


No, look. Of course people have minds of their own. I don't see anyone saying anything to the contrary. You talked about it taking 1/5 of an acre earlier to support a family with a vegetarian diet. It's more like 1/2 acre per PERSON. Some land is not suitable for farming, but is suitable for livestock pastures.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071008130203.htm

So, say we supplement our vegetarian diet with some dairy and a little meat to efficiently use all the available land to feed more people. Check out the math:

http://one-simple-idea.com/Environment1.htm

It doesn't work out. There isn't enough land to support a trillion people...not even close. Not even 1/10th of a trillion. Even your revised number is laughable with current practices. So, say we throw in some urban farming...vertical farming in the form of skyscrapers that produce food. Cool...we've got a shitload of people now. Who even says that's a worthy goal? How can you morally argue that more people is always better? You've said a bunch of stuff indicating that's what you believe, but you haven't provided any reasons other than something to the effect of "human brains are amazing and can figure stuff out".

I don't think the speaker in the video is advocating global planning...at least not in the form of a world government. I don't think he's assuming that he's smart enough to know how to plan everyone's lives, nor do I think I am.

What he's pointing out is that populations naturally slow their growth as education and health increase. When you're pretty sure your children will survive, you don't feel the need to have 6-8 in order to have 2 that survive. When conditions are good enough to allow the survival of 80-90% of children born, parents also feel like they can provide a better life for their kids if they're dividing their resources between 1-2 instead of 6-8.

So, you don't need a global government to reduce population growth, you simply need to assist people in improving their health and education levels. Charities and individual countries can do this on their own. So what if they organize their efforts? It doesn't have to be central planning on a global level.

Personally, I think it's better to live within our means. Even if we could grow to the trillions on our little planet, why not do it slowly and carefully? Why do we need a giant population? Why do we all need to be "blessed" with giant families? Why can't we enjoy other peoples' families? As a country, we don't even need large populations for wars anymore. Nuclear weapons and conventional weapon technology ensure that future wars will be fought with very small numbers of people compared to the masses needed in the past.



If you didn't read all that, just answer this: What's the overall purpose of a huge world population? How does it benefit me or anyone else to be born into a crowded world?

No i prefer to reply to comments where they are posted. Sorry if that breaks your own code of practise, but I frankly don't give a crap. You are a moron. get over it.

>> ^Ryjkyj:
My only argument was that if you can't grate cheese, you should just give up on life. After two years on the sift and you still don't know how to reply to a comment: you're probably the perfect candidate for pre-grated cheese.
In reply to this comment by Fade:
Oh, I'm sorry, I clicked a button that posts a quoted reply to a comment posted ON my profile page. How exactly does this help your argument? You're still wrong <IMG class=smiley src="http://static1.videosift.com/cdm/emoticon/tongue.gif">
In reply to this comment by Ryjkyj:
Said the guy who posted his reply to his own profile page.... Ha HA!
Are you fucking serious?
In reply to this comment by Fade:
sliced bread, tossed salad, instant coffee/custard, bottled water...dude you didn't have a salient point to begin with. stop trying to defend it.
>> ^Ryjkyj:
If grating cheese is as hard for you as owning a transportation company, farming, milking and fermenting then you've got serious problems. Pre-grated cheese costs around twice as much and tastes so much worse. To each his own, but I hardly think grating cheese qualifies as an inconvenience.
That's like saying wiping your ass is an inconvenience.
In reply to this comment by Fade:
Oh please. Convenience is such a crime.
Tell you what next time you open the fridge, don't take anything out of it that you haven't grown, processed, packaged and transported yourself. In fact why do you even have a fridge. You never built it yourself and you certainly aren't powering it with electricity you are generating yourself.
Did you milk the cow? Did you provide the cow with green pastures to frolick in? Did you? No. So shut up then.
>> ^Ryjkyj:
People who by pre-grated cheese should just give up. Give away all your worldly possessions, get a job at Walmart and start eating all of your food out of a dumpster. You obviously don't care enough about life to do anything besides eat at Wendy's and watch American Idol.
If you read that statement and think, "gee, that's a little harsh, grating cheese is annoying" then try getting yourself a box-shaped cheese grater. The flat ones are for trimming knuckles only. If you still think it's annoying, then follow the above instructions. Or better yet, open a vein.

My only argument was that if you can't grate cheese, you should just give up on life. After two years on the sift and you still don't know how to reply to a comment: you're probably the perfect candidate for pre-grated cheese.

In reply to this comment by Fade:
Oh, I'm sorry, I clicked a button that posts a quoted reply to a comment posted ON my profile page. How exactly does this help your argument? You're still wrong

In reply to this comment by Ryjkyj:
Said the guy who posted his reply to his own profile page.... Ha HA!

Are you fucking serious?

In reply to this comment by Fade:
sliced bread, tossed salad, instant coffee/custard, bottled water...dude you didn't have a salient point to begin with. stop trying to defend it.

>> ^Ryjkyj:

If grating cheese is as hard for you as owning a transportation company, farming, milking and fermenting then you've got serious problems. Pre-grated cheese costs around twice as much and tastes so much worse. To each his own, but I hardly think grating cheese qualifies as an inconvenience.
That's like saying wiping your ass is an inconvenience.
In reply to this comment by Fade:
Oh please. Convenience is such a crime.
Tell you what next time you open the fridge, don't take anything out of it that you haven't grown, processed, packaged and transported yourself. In fact why do you even have a fridge. You never built it yourself and you certainly aren't powering it with electricity you are generating yourself.
Did you milk the cow? Did you provide the cow with green pastures to frolick in? Did you? No. So shut up then.
>> ^Ryjkyj:
People who by pre-grated cheese should just give up. Give away all your worldly possessions, get a job at Walmart and start eating all of your food out of a dumpster. You obviously don't care enough about life to do anything besides eat at Wendy's and watch American Idol.
If you read that statement and think, "gee, that's a little harsh, grating cheese is annoying" then try getting yourself a box-shaped cheese grater. The flat ones are for trimming knuckles only. If you still think it's annoying, then follow the above instructions. Or better yet, open a vein.

Said the guy who posted his reply to his own profile page....

Now see, when you hit the "quote" button, it's just going to post to your own page. If you want to respond directly to me, then go to my last comment and hit "profile reply" down on the bottom right side of the box. That way, your response to me will show up on my page instead of your own.

If you need any help learning how to grate cheese, you know where to find me. (but you'll still have to hit "profile reply")

In reply to this comment by Fade:
sliced bread, tossed salad, instant coffee/custard, bottled water...dude you didn't have a salient point to begin with. stop trying to defend it.

>> ^Ryjkyj:

If grating cheese is as hard for you as owning a transportation company, farming, milking and fermenting then you've got serious problems. Pre-grated cheese costs around twice as much and tastes so much worse. To each his own, but I hardly think grating cheese qualifies as an inconvenience.
That's like saying wiping your ass is an inconvenience.
In reply to this comment by Fade:
Oh please. Convenience is such a crime.
Tell you what next time you open the fridge, don't take anything out of it that you haven't grown, processed, packaged and transported yourself. In fact why do you even have a fridge. You never built it yourself and you certainly aren't powering it with electricity you are generating yourself.
Did you milk the cow? Did you provide the cow with green pastures to frolick in? Did you? No. So shut up then.
>> ^Ryjkyj:
People who by pre-grated cheese should just give up. Give away all your worldly possessions, get a job at Walmart and start eating all of your food out of a dumpster. You obviously don't care enough about life to do anything besides eat at Wendy's and watch American Idol.
If you read that statement and think, "gee, that's a little harsh, grating cheese is annoying" then try getting yourself a box-shaped cheese grater. The flat ones are for trimming knuckles only. If you still think it's annoying, then follow the above instructions. Or better yet, open a vein.

sliced bread, tossed salad, instant coffee/custard, bottled water...dude you didn't have a salient point to begin with. stop trying to defend it.

>> ^Ryjkyj:

If grating cheese is as hard for you as owning a transportation company, farming, milking and fermenting then you've got serious problems. Pre-grated cheese costs around twice as much and tastes so much worse. To each his own, but I hardly think grating cheese qualifies as an inconvenience.
That's like saying wiping your ass is an inconvenience.
In reply to this comment by Fade:
Oh please. Convenience is such a crime.
Tell you what next time you open the fridge, don't take anything out of it that you haven't grown, processed, packaged and transported yourself. In fact why do you even have a fridge. You never built it yourself and you certainly aren't powering it with electricity you are generating yourself.
Did you milk the cow? Did you provide the cow with green pastures to frolick in? Did you? No. So shut up then.
>> ^Ryjkyj:
People who by pre-grated cheese should just give up. Give away all your worldly possessions, get a job at Walmart and start eating all of your food out of a dumpster. You obviously don't care enough about life to do anything besides eat at Wendy's and watch American Idol.
If you read that statement and think, "gee, that's a little harsh, grating cheese is annoying" then try getting yourself a box-shaped cheese grater. The flat ones are for trimming knuckles only. If you still think it's annoying, then follow the above instructions. Or better yet, open a vein.

If grating cheese is as hard for you as owning a transportation company, farming, milking and fermenting then you've got serious problems. Pre-grated cheese costs around twice as much and tastes so much worse. To each his own, but I hardly think grating cheese qualifies as an inconvenience.

That's like saying wiping your ass is an inconvenience.

In reply to this comment by Fade:
Oh please. Convenience is such a crime.

Tell you what next time you open the fridge, don't take anything out of it that you haven't grown, processed, packaged and transported yourself. In fact why do you even have a fridge. You never built it yourself and you certainly aren't powering it with electricity you are generating yourself.

Did you milk the cow? Did you provide the cow with green pastures to frolick in? Did you? No. So shut up then.

>> ^Ryjkyj:

People who by pre-grated cheese should just give up. Give away all your worldly possessions, get a job at Walmart and start eating all of your food out of a dumpster. You obviously don't care enough about life to do anything besides eat at Wendy's and watch American Idol.
If you read that statement and think, "gee, that's a little harsh, grating cheese is annoying" then try getting yourself a box-shaped cheese grater. The flat ones are for trimming knuckles only. If you still think it's annoying, then follow the above instructions. Or better yet, open a vein.

Oh please. Convenience is such a crime.

Tell you what next time you open the fridge, don't take anything out of it that you haven't grown, processed, packaged and transported yourself. In fact why do you even have a fridge. You never built it yourself and you certainly aren't powering it with electricity you are generating yourself.

Did you milk the cow? Did you provide the cow with green pastures to frolick in? Did you? No. So shut up then.

>> ^Ryjkyj:

People who by pre-grated cheese should just give up. Give away all your worldly possessions, get a job at Walmart and start eating all of your food out of a dumpster. You obviously don't care enough about life to do anything besides eat at Wendy's and watch American Idol.
If you read that statement and think, "gee, that's a little harsh, grating cheese is annoying" then try getting yourself a box-shaped cheese grater. The flat ones are for trimming knuckles only. If you still think it's annoying, then follow the above instructions. Or better yet, open a vein.

>> ^imstellar28:

Love your job eh? I think 30ish sounds more like it to me...
>> ^chilaxe:
"59 1/2 retirement age"
I'd rather cut my balls off than be put out to pasture that young.



My conclusion was that consciousness doesn't really exist, so we might as well use our illusion of it to make our partners and ourselves gobs of money. I don't know anyone who couldn't use an extra 25k lying around.

The end result is fixed anyway... 100,000 people die every day of a curable disease - aging - but after a while, we bring about Engineered Negligible Senescence. Combine that with using genetic and neuro tech to create genuine human equality, and most of the petty things humans always cared about fade away.

I'd be more than happy to help you spend all that money
>> ^Ryjkyj:
So, what do we waste all that money on then?


Love your job eh? I think 30ish sounds more like it to me...
>> ^chilaxe:
"59 1/2 retirement age"
I'd rather cut my balls off than be put out to pasture that young.