sigh..Gods existence means that everything ultimately has a supernatural casuation..

>> ^Ti_Moth:
>> ^shinyblurry:
Don't hurt yourself..and no, science hasn't disproven God. That causes more scientists to weep than laugh. Formally, if God exists all natural law is predicated on the will of the most High, which makes the source of all causation supernatural..which is why philosophers think of God as the "prime mover"
>> ^Ti_Moth:
>> ^shinyblurry:
science has not ruled out a supernatural causation for any natural phenomena.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! deep breath Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!


Did you read the quote that provided me with such mirth? You claim that nothing has been proven to not have a supernatural basis! Do you think scientists are still scratching their heads over what lightning is or that they think rain is God taking a shower!?
As for scientists weeping over what they don't know I seriously doubt that, isn't it their job to try and figure out what they don't know?

>> ^shinyblurry:

Don't hurt yourself..and no, science hasn't disproven God. That causes more scientists to weep than laugh. Formally, if God exists all natural law is predicated on the will of the most High, which makes the source of all causation supernatural..which is why philosophers think of God as the "prime mover"
>> ^Ti_Moth:
>> ^shinyblurry:
science has not ruled out a supernatural causation for any natural phenomena.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! deep breath Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!



Did you read the quote that provided me with such mirth? You claim that nothing has been proven to not have a supernatural basis! Do you think scientists are still scratching their heads over what lightning is or that they think rain is God taking a shower!?
As for scientists weeping over what they don't know I seriously doubt that, isn't it their job to try and figure out what they don't know?

Don't hurt yourself..and no, science hasn't disproven God. That causes more scientists to weep than laugh. Formally, if God exists all natural law is predicated on the will of the most High, which makes the source of all causation supernatural..which is why philosophers think of God as the "prime mover"

>> ^Ti_Moth:
>> ^shinyblurry:
science has not ruled out a supernatural causation for any natural phenomena.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! deep breath Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

umm.

Anyway, a Unicorn is a myth...God is at the least a philosophical conception (see: Prime Mover)..so your tautlogy doesn't apply. It's also a strawman argument..IE..To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position. So yeah..I think you need to go back to shooting womp rats because your argument lacks any force.

>> ^JiggaJonson:
spits

Ignorance is the real prime mover of the left's take on economics.

Ignorance about how wealth is created.

Ignorance about who in America really pays the bills.

Ignorance about the effects--short and long-term--of disastrous economic policies.

Fortunately this ignorance is curable. Until one recognizes there are no 'solutions' in life, only trade-offs, and that 'government action in the social and economic domains has not only failed to achieve desired or claimed results but in many cases has created worse conditions than those previously existing,' there will be no cure.

>> ^shagen454: If you're just looking at the video I understand your sentiments. However, like I said I'm not a big fan of this type of music - that being said the way in which someone comes up with music is important. I know Videosift is full of music Ignoramuses, but these guys use circuit bent toys as well as completely analog drum machines & synths to make their fully original "mutant" sound. They were signed to a "larger" underground electronic label, toured Europe for years and were pretty influential with movers and shakers of all sorts. If you can't hear it - that's fine, maybe there's something wrong with you, maybe you're completely normal. or maybe right now is just not the right time for you to understand.



it seems you have a GROSS misunderstanding of "dookey dookey doo, thud, thud, thud, thud" music. circuit bent toys, analogue drum machines, and analogue synths are par for the course and certainly nothing new. as a fan of "dookey dookey doo, thud, thud, thud, thud" music i find this offensively boring.

just because you make noise in an interesting way doesn't make the noise itself interesting.

>> ^BoneRemake:

The Minotaur was slightly neat. the rest... Fuck off.


If you're just looking at the video I understand your sentiments. However, like I said I'm not a big fan of this type of music - that being said the way in which someone comes up with music is important. I know Videosift is full of music Ignoramuses, but these guys use circuit bent toys as well as completely analog drum machines & synths to make their fully original "mutant" sound. They were signed to a "larger" underground electronic label, toured Europe for years and were pretty influential with movers and shakers of all sorts. If you can't hear it - that's fine, maybe there's something wrong with you, maybe you're completely normal. or maybe right now is just not the right time for you to understand.

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Sure, there will always be a place for PCs - just like we still have high end "mainframe" servers today. Just don't expect to see PCs in the living room for too many more years.
>> ^gwiz665:
I will gladly eat my words, if I'm mistaken. But I really, reeeally doubt it will be a mac/PC killer. It will be an alternative product - maybe laptop killer, but it cannot replace what desktop machines do (games, development, typing). It's basically the beginning of the paperless newspaper, I think. But I think the fact that it is bigger than your pocket will be a factor.
>> ^dag:
^ OK - I'll hold you to your prediction and we'll revisit in a couple of years. Here's my iPad prediction:
It's going to be huge. Much bigger in impact than the iPod or iPhone. Maybe not in total units sold, but in shaping a whole new class of device. Expect Nooks and Kindles to follow suit with devices that add movies and TV. Microsoft will also get in on the action- too late as usual, as they'll continue to push using a "windows" type environment- which doesn't translate well - but eventually they will be pulled by gravity to a windowless type UI tablet device.
The iPad- or a very similar device - will be the Mac/PC killer. We've had the the same paradigm (mouse, windows, drag, point, click) for over 20 years. It's time to move on.

>> ^gwiz665:
Anything successful gets copied by everyone else. Businesses travel in packs. Apple have been good blazing the trail for markets like ipods and iphone, but like all first movers there are plenty of problems with the trailblazing products, which clones can fix in their version.
It's IBM 100% compatible PC all over again. I'm pretty happy that IBM made the model that made the PCs what they are today, but the clone companies have a big hand in shaping the market too.
As long as Apple can keep innovating, more power to them.
(I still think the ipad is a weaker product than the iphone, but we'll see.)

I will gladly eat my words, if I'm mistaken. But I really, reeeally doubt it will be a mac/PC killer. It will be an alternative product - maybe laptop killer, but it cannot replace what desktop machines do (games, development, typing). It's basically the beginning of the paperless newspaper, I think. But I think the fact that it is bigger than your pocket will be a factor.

>> ^dag:
^ OK - I'll hold you to your prediction and we'll revisit in a couple of years. Here's my iPad prediction:
It's going to be huge. Much bigger in impact than the iPod or iPhone. Maybe not in total units sold, but in shaping a whole new class of device. Expect Nooks and Kindles to follow suit with devices that add movies and TV. Microsoft will also get in on the action- too late as usual, as they'll continue to push using a "windows" type environment- which doesn't translate well - but eventually they will be pulled by gravity to a windowless type UI tablet device.
The iPad- or a very similar device - will be the Mac/PC killer. We've had the the same paradigm (mouse, windows, drag, point, click) for over 20 years. It's time to move on.

>> ^gwiz665:
Anything successful gets copied by everyone else. Businesses travel in packs. Apple have been good blazing the trail for markets like ipods and iphone, but like all first movers there are plenty of problems with the trailblazing products, which clones can fix in their version.
It's IBM 100% compatible PC all over again. I'm pretty happy that IBM made the model that made the PCs what they are today, but the clone companies have a big hand in shaping the market too.
As long as Apple can keep innovating, more power to them.
(I still think the ipad is a weaker product than the iphone, but we'll see.)

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^ OK - I'll hold you to your prediction and we'll revisit in a couple of years. Here's my iPad prediction:

It's going to be huge. Much bigger in impact than the iPod or iPhone. Maybe not in total units sold, but in shaping a whole new class of device. Expect Nooks and Kindles to follow suit with devices that add movies and TV. Microsoft will also get in on the action- too late as usual, as they'll continue to push using a "windows" type environment- which doesn't translate well - but eventually they will be pulled by gravity to a windowless type UI tablet device.

The iPad- or a very similar device - will be the Mac/PC killer. We've had the the same paradigm (mouse, windows, drag, point, click) for over 20 years. It's time to move on.


>> ^gwiz665:
Anything successful gets copied by everyone else. Businesses travel in packs. Apple have been good blazing the trail for markets like ipods and iphone, but like all first movers there are plenty of problems with the trailblazing products, which clones can fix in their version.
It's IBM 100% compatible PC all over again. I'm pretty happy that IBM made the model that made the PCs what they are today, but the clone companies have a big hand in shaping the market too.
As long as Apple can keep innovating, more power to them.
(I still think the ipad is a weaker product than the iphone, but we'll see.)

Anything successful gets copied by everyone else. Businesses travel in packs. Apple have been good blazing the trail for markets like ipods and iphone, but like all first movers there are plenty of problems with the trailblazing products, which clones can fix in their version.

It's IBM 100% compatible PC all over again. I'm pretty happy that IBM made the model that made the PCs what they are today, but the clone companies have a big hand in shaping the market too.

As long as Apple can keep innovating, more power to them.

(I still think the ipad is a weaker product than the iphone, but we'll see.)

Well the title of the video made me speculate the video more then usual, but I knew something was amiss when there was like, no delay between the foward and reverse motion of the wheels. As soon as he pulled out to the earth mover, the size of the rocks ruined the scale model effect.

MadCow right in one respect. The NPP has not been oriented around 'accomplishments' for most of its existence. NPP awards given to people for accomplishments are the exception rather than the rule. The NPP is a political orientation award. It is a neolib award given to neolibs for pushing neolib dogma. When you keep that reality firmly in mind it makes perfect sense that people like Carter, Gore, and Obama would be thier boys. The NPP is an award that the European socialist left dangles to get movers and shakers to line up and march the way they like. It's that simple.

Just call it the "Neolib Puppet Prize". Bullseye.

The walking bit was just being snarky, but the point is still valid, I think. You are perfectly allowed to hire movers to move your stuff and yourself (a taxi, bus etc). It's a weak defense saying "I have to drive, because of free mobility laws" because you really don't have to.

It may be the easiest, but that doesn't really matter. You still have to be able to operate it safely, because we've all agreed that it's best for us all if only people who can operate their car safely is allowed to drive. So, we limit "your" freedom (to drive a car) to ensure our safety. You are perfectly welcome to try to get a license, which is the only way the state can now whether you can drive or not, but if you cannot, too bad. Traffic violations indicate that you can no longer safely operate your vehicle, if it is an especially egregious offense, we will take your license and you will be back in a cab again.

Doesn't that make sense?

Even though I am an atheist, I don't think this video makes a compelling demonstration of of religious apologists and the actual arguments they make. While the prime mover argument is made over and over, this is used to argue for the existence of a god. Generally, they go farther before they get to proving that their particular god is the one "proven."

To Winstonfield_Pennypacker: You said, "Real religion is the effort to improve the self." This sounds like the road to a No True Scotsman logical falacy. If I were cite Southern Baptist Christianity as an example of a religion that does not meet your criteria, would you claim this is not a real religion?