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Obama Gives Monsanto Get Out of Jail Free Card

hatsix says...

Monsanto has sued individual farmers that have obviously and intentionally preserved seeds from their fields that border Monsanto-bred fields. Even with such a willful and intentional violation, they've never won, and have had to pay all court costs. ZERO farmers have had to pay out-of-pocket because of Monsanto's legislation, despite several admitting to being out-of-bounds.

So, yeah, Monsanto sues people, some are shady, others not, but Monsanto hasn't made a dime, and with a mountain of precedence, it never will... but it does have to sue in order to be seen as "protecting" it's Intellectual Property. I don't think Monsanto is a "Good Guy"... it's a corporation and is only interested in increasing shareholder value.

I'm as liberal as you get, but I'm against GMO legislation without proof that GMO has health concerns. I feel like I'm rather consistent... I don't want to ban weapons, cars, marijuana or smoking unless and until it's been proven through studies to cause death. Weapons, cars and smoking have an inordinate amount of death associated with their use. The chance of a gun accident in a household with guns is INFINITELY higher than one without guns.

Anyways, the point is that there have not been peer-reviewed studies that show that GMO is in any way dangerous. I do believe that corporate-controlled life is dangerous, however.

Keep GMO, get rid of Monsanto. If you're against Monsanto, be against Monsanto... You won't win any battles by going against GMO, as it makes you sound as absurd as creationists, anti-vaxers or wifi-allergists.

dag said:

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What about specifically creating seeds that are "RoundUp Ready®" which then lets farmers use huge quantities of said herbicide RoundUp™ on their crops with only the RoundUp Ready® seeds surviving. What about those said RoundUp Ready® seeds blowing in the wind and pollinating adjacent farmers' plots. What about Monsanto then suing those adjacent farmers for "patent infringement" and putting them out of business.

GMO may not be bad in itself, but its propagators are fucking evi.

Obama Gives Monsanto Get Out of Jail Free Card

Stormsinger says...

Actually, I'd have to say that from a bioengineering perspective, it's incredibly stupid. What they're really doing is breeding Roundup resistant weeds, and far faster than anyone claimed they would. In consequence, agri-business is dumping many times as much herbicide into their fields...the facts make it damned clear that the only winner in this race is Monsanto. Farmers pay more for the seed and more for more herbicide to apply.

In another 20 years, Roundup will be useless, but Monsanto will happily move on to the next longterm fuckup that is profitable in the short run.

nock said:

I'm not a politician or lawyer. The patent infringement stuff you mentioned sounds bad, but I don't know enough to make an educated comment.

As far as RoundUp Ready soybeans, what I know about it is that it inhibits an enzyme required for RoundUp (the sprayed pesticide) to work, thus rendering certain crops "immune" to the spray. From a bioengineering perspective it is ingenious and allows developed nations to have plentiful and cheap crops year round. GMO is a product of our (humanity's) need for cheap, plentiful and calorie-dense foods. Sure, we can complain about the fact that we don't want to eat pesticides/insecticides/whatever, but we complain far more when the food we eat is expensive, scarce and calorie-sparse. Before GM (I'll include selective breeding in this category), our food supply was predicated on the vagaries of the weather, insects, viruses, fungi and bacteria. We now enjoy a plentiful bounty year round and still we complain. We cannot have it both ways.

I realize that there is a gut reaction to GM (and irradiated) foods, but people need to educate themselves and ask if they would rather have massive price swings for staple foods or (relatively) cheap food year round that is inherently not the product of evolutionary changes.

Obama Gives Monsanto Get Out of Jail Free Card

dag says...

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What about specifically creating seeds that are "RoundUp Ready®" which then lets farmers use huge quantities of said herbicide RoundUp™ on their crops with only the RoundUp Ready® seeds surviving. What about those said RoundUp Ready® seeds blowing in the wind and pollinating adjacent farmers' plots. What about Monsanto then suing those adjacent farmers for "patent infringement" and putting them out of business.

GMO may not be bad in itself, but its propagators are fucking evi.

nock said:

I really don't get all the GMO hubbub. I realize it sounds bad - like we are Frankenstein-ing our food, but I'm a biologist and physician and people need to realize that we have been GMO-ing our food since the advent of agriculture/husbandry. The whole POINT of agriculture/farming is to breed crops/animals such that they express certain genetic traits that are valuable to humans. Examples are abundant: bananas, corn, cows, chickens, Scottish fold kittens... Basically anything that humans can grow/raise, we attempt to genetically modify through selective breeding; the fact that we now have the technology to accomplish these changes in a lab is obvious as the next logical step. If you object to GMO then you should be a hunter-gatherer. This is not to say that there are no risks to selective breeding/GM. For one, genetically similar or identical organisms are susceptible to the same pathogens. If we stake our fortunes on a single type of wheat, corn, cow, banana, whatever - we risk losing it forever if there is some sort of infectious outbreak. As far as health risks to consumers, I don't think there is any legitimate science that suggests that GM food is any worse for you than non-GM food (the same goes for irradiated foods).

Obama Gives Monsanto Get Out of Jail Free Card

arekin says...

ALSO, after a quick read on what the bill actually states...
First this bill was part of a bill to prevent government shutdown, it really needed to be signed. It does not grant Monsanto a get out of jail free card, it prevents them from injunctions by other seed producers filing injunctions to shut them down and sue them out of the market. This is directly related to a 2010 lawsuit between Monsanto and another seed manufacturer that resulted in extensive litigation and could have cost the company considerably in lost revenue if they could not offer their seed at the right time of year due to a injunction. With agriculture you could lock someone out of the market every year by simply filing suit at the correct time of year and then dropping it after the planting season is done.

Obama Gives Monsanto Get Out of Jail Free Card

coolhund says...
nock said:

I really don't get all the GMO hubbub. I realize it sounds bad - like we are Frankenstein-ing our food, but I'm a biologist and physician and people need to realize that we have been GMO-ing our food since the advent of agriculture/husbandry. The whole POINT of agriculture/farming is to breed crops/animals such that they express certain genetic traits that are valuable to humans. Examples are abundant: bananas, corn, cows, chickens, Scottish fold kittens... Basically anything that humans can grow/raise, we attempt to genetically modify through selective breeding; the fact that we now have the technology to accomplish these changes in a lab is obvious as the next logical step. If you object to GMO then you should be a hunter-gatherer. This is not to say that there are no risks to selective breeding/GM. For one, genetically similar or identical organisms are susceptible to the same pathogens. If we stake our fortunes on a single type of wheat, corn, cow, banana, whatever - we risk losing it forever if there is some sort of infectious outbreak. As far as health risks to consumers, I don't think there is any legitimate science that suggests that GM food is any worse for you than non-GM food (the same goes for irradiated foods).

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Obama Gives Monsanto Get Out of Jail Free Card

chingalera says...

“Monsanto should not have to vouchsafe the safety of biotech food," said Phil Angell, Monsanto's director of corporate communications. "Our interest is in selling as much of it as possible. Assuring its safety is the FDA's job.”

Bite me, Phil.

GMO-controlling our food-the politics of monsanto

Sniper007 says...

Monsanto is a corporation, and as such can do no evil by definition. Evil is a moral quality which only men are capable of having. Monsanto isn't evil, just all the people who work with or for Monsanto.

Having said that:

Nature > Monsanto

GMO-controlling our food-the politics of monsanto

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Ron Paul brilliantly shuts down inane question from report

chingalera says...

>> ^renatojj:

That's how the media, left and right, treated him for the entirety of his campaign. Any respect and coverage he got was inversely proportional to his perceived chance of winning.


...And so it goes, each election more absurd than the next until who knows? Maybe some new, "New Deal" after all the cocka-roaches are gone, calling up the depressed Roosevelt-styley to help rebuild the infrastructure? I for one, hope it includes a beautification of the entire United States in the form of razing every strip-center and billboard for starters.
This includes my first act in office, criminalizing inherently evil entities too big for their britches like Walmart and Monsanto, and razing THEIR improvements on real estate assets while demanding the offspring of their CEO's to walk naked with sandwich board signs on a remote mangrove swamp with mock city streets resembling their home-towns, filled with CCTV cameras with a live feed for folks around the world to deride them for all eternity, amen.

Sarah Michelle Gellar: Burger King Commercial (1983 )

chingalera says...

...same burger now is only 99 cents, and a dollar is worth about 20 cents!! Did we mention the meat and vegetables 29 years ago were probably a fuck of a lot better?? THANKS MONSANTO!! THANKS WORLD BANK!!

Do something Buffy, SAVE US FROM THE REAL VAMPIRES!!!

The Conservative Lorax

Bryan Fischer: Tax Athiests That Don't Attend Church

Quboid says...

>> ^chingalera:

@Quboid ~ Hell yeah!!?? Tax the unhealthy and those who have caused their health problems. Television, Monsanto, manufacturers of the shit, advertisers, etc. AND, a point of sale tax for any food that is not organic, kind, or kosher!!
Churches should have 10 per-cent of their tithes received as well, go straight into the healthcare system...which incidentally is cranking along in the black now that diabetes and heart disease are virtually non-existent AGAIN ~


Hell yeah? This seems kind of fascist to me. Taxing foods based on their nutritional value wouldn't be a bad thing, if largely unenforceable. Actually we have a form of that in the UK, items that are considered necessities aren't charged VAT (sort of like sales tax) but luxuries are charged 20% VAT, with "normal" foods being necessities and fancier foods and eating out counting as luxuries. It's not particularly effective, but I'd guess it's doing some good.

Bryan Fischer: Tax Athiests That Don't Attend Church

chingalera says...

>> ^kymbos:

I was looking forward to finding out about 'Tax Athiests'. I am unsatisfied.


....Similarly, I expected to find out about tax-dodging atheists who use their disbelief in God to include ALL, God-like institutions.

@Quboid ~ Hell yeah!!?? Tax the unhealthy and those who have caused their health problems. Television, Monsanto, manufacturers of the shit, advertisers, etc. AND, a point of sale tax for any food that is not organic, kind, or kosher!!

Churches should have 10 per-cent of their tithes received as well, go straight into the healthcare system...which incidentally is cranking along in the black now that diabetes and heart disease are virtually non-existent AGAIN ~



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