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rembar (Member Profile)

jonny says...

Can you tell me the name of the documentary this is from? I can't seem to find it.

In reply to this comment by rembar:
LadyBug, I understand where you're coming from, but I can't say I agree. I don't have time to do an informative writeup, but I had to watch the full version of the USAF LSD experiments and then comment on the process and results. I certainly wasn't sifting this video for giggles, I was hoping to add some info, but I got distracted trolling drforeverclear. *sigh*. I had been hoping to make this more of an informative post, rather than something "for posterity" or "you need to see this" or whatnot.

To this end, I am posting a documentary about the Milgram experiment and others.

rembar (Member Profile)

calvados says...

Can you provide some exposition on the full version and/or point us to a video link?

In reply to this comment by rembar:
LadyBug, I understand where you're coming from, but I can't say I agree. I don't have time to do an informative writeup, but I had to watch the full version of the USAF LSD experiments and then comment on the process and results. I certainly wasn't sifting this video for giggles, I was hoping to add some info, but I got distracted trolling drforeverclear. *sigh*. I had been hoping to make this more of an informative post, rather than something "for posterity" or "you need to see this" or whatnot.

To this end, I am posting a documentary about the Milgram experiment and others.

Vintage candid camera elevator scene

Cop gone wild- Lying and making threats just part of his job

videosiftbannedme says...

I'll bet with a penis that small, that cop beats his wife and treats his dog like shit too. A civilian has the perfect right to question a police officer just as much as a police officer has the right to question a civilian. It's called independent and critical thinking and lot more people need to do it instead of practicing blind obedience to authority. Just because a person is vested with power does not make them or their actions correct. Milgram taught us all that.

If told to, would you administor lethal electric shock?

If told to, would you administor lethal electric shock?

Memorare says...

There was a dramatization of the Milgram experiment on US tv in 1975 called "The Tenth Level" starring William Shatner.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075320/

Very disturbing, most people will do whatever they are told by an authority figure - doctor, lawyer, cop, politician, military officer - even though they know it's immoral / illegal / murderous / genocidal.

Also interesting is "The Stanford Prison Experiment" conducted by Dr. Phillip Zimbardo in 1971.

Avatar Shock Experiment

gluonium says...

Might as well have shocked a shoebox or a dinner plate though. I mean if you know that you are incapable of causing harm to the thing (ie. it isn't alive) then that destroys the premise of the experiment. The report gravely notes that some people laughed like they did in the real experiment but how do they know it was the same nervous guilty laughter and not just 'oh this is absurdly silly' laughter? I suspect that the premise of the experiment as being a type of Milgram test is just a front and what's really being tested is something like a correlation between intelligence and susceptibility to anthropomorphizing a CG 'person' or somesuch.

LadyBug (Member Profile)

choggie says...


Butch up-Hurt feelings are an opiate-Emotionally charged action/reaction is robotic for most, and highly toxic-
Watch Fight Club 100 times
Never respond to whining with anything but instant smackdown
A send yer kids to learn Kung Fu, thet'll thank ya now, and later.
The body follows the mind......
(This coming from someone who took your periods decree seriously, and with much confused reactionary diatribes.....Untill, you responded, I was skip-tracing the state of Alabama!!!!)....(kidding,silly)

In reply to your comment:
basically, it boils down to each person's self-respect and personal conviction. i can unequivocally say that i would have not made it very far in milgram's experiment.

we live in a mean-spirited, desensitized society ... i was actually asked to leave a patient's team meeting because i was too sympathetic towards the patient. being in a superior position is very important to some people and makes them very ugly.

How much money would it take for you to kill a puppy?

rembar says...

Leeweek has the correct, neck snapping is the way to go. Asphyxiation is a bad way to die, and injections are a cop-out.

@silvercord: Ain't a Milgram's experiment thingee, though. (I think that's what you're saying, right?) That was all about following the command of an authority figure, this is something different.

$1,000.

How much money would it take for you to kill a puppy?

2004: Teen Stripped, Molested in McDonalds Office

maudlin says...

Oh, I saw that link, but the tags and title didn't suggest a match with this specific incident at all.

And the Milgram Experiment looks to be one of those disappearing Google videos, too, so this video seems to be the only one on the Sift touching on this case at all now.

2004: Teen Stripped, Molested in McDonalds Office

LadyBug says...

ahhhhhhhhhh yes ... that's where we saw it!!! the milgram experiment!!!

this is technically not a dupe, as this video is an interview with those involved in the mcdonald's case.

it's really disgusting that it took over 3 hours and a third person to finally stand up for another person's rights as a human being.

2004: Teen Stripped, Molested in McDonalds Office

maudlin says...

I searched under mcdonalds, teen, hoax, authority, milgram, compliance and several other terms I can't remember and I didn't find a match. But if it turns out to be a dupe, it's a dupe.

I was absolutely disgusted and outraged when I heard about this in November 2005, and even more so with some people's unsympathetic reactions to the girl's ordeal, and I was all over that linked MeFi thread saying so. I was reminded of this case when ABC ran a show last night where they (badly) recreated the Milgram experiment and showed a small excerpt from this report. So I looked for the report ... and here we are.

In my judgment, it's not out of line for the Sift. I wouldn't have just posted surveillance video alone: that would be horrifically exploitive and creepy. It was the full report, and the victim's own words on camera, that balanced (I thought) the whole story. But I understand that not everyone will see it the same way and I expected some downvotes.

2004: Teen Stripped, Molested in McDonalds Office

maudlin says...

The background:

The manager of a McDonalds receives a call from a man who claims to be a policeman investigating a criminal complaint against an employee. She calls the teenager into the office, initiates a search, then gets her to strip completely, all on the behest of the man on the phone -- who is not, of course, a cop, and who has conned dozens of fast food outlets. At least 13 of the dozens of people called initiated similar strip searches, and 7 have been convicted.

From the ABC PrimeTime summary:

"Clinical psychologist Jeff Gardere says the caller's actions were likely a way to feed a God-like complex by manipulating his victims emotionally, physically and sexually. He calls it "virtual voyeurism."

Gardere goes on to say that it was no accident that caller was targeting fast food restaurants.

"Everything is by the book," he explained. "This is how you serve it. This is exactly how you do it. You follow the book -- you're OK. I believe he picked fast food restaurants because he knew, once you got them away from that book, once it was something outside the manual or the procedures, they would be lost."


Detailed Louisville Courier-Journal story, with references to the infamous Milgram study and Zimbardo's Stanford Prison Experiment.

Wikipedia

The heated MetaFilter thread from 2005.

Milgram on VideoSift

The Stanford Prison Experiment on VideoSift

The Milgram Experiment and more (24 minute documentary)

LadyBug says...

basically, it boils down to each person's self-respect and personal conviction. i can unequivocally say that i would have not made it very far in milgram's experiment.

we live in a mean-spirited, desensitized society ... i was actually asked to leave a patient's team meeting because i was too sympathetic towards the patient. being in a superior position is very important to some people and makes them very ugly.



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