>> ^xxovercastxx:
>> ^quantumushroom:
It's too bad the "public schools" government indoctrination centers don't teach American history anymore. If they did you'd already know that Carter was one of the worst presidents ever.
Those who forget Carter are condemned to repeat him with Obama.

Carter's presidency has nothing to do with statements made here. Despite the legacy of his presidency he has gone on to do excellent work in humanitarian projects all over the world. Claiming every Democrat has been wrong on every statement or decision they've ever made makes you look terribly stupid.
Let me make an example using Bush Jr. He's easily the worst president of my lifetime and quite possibly the worst ever, but I can still say he's done great things with PEPFAR.
If we had footage of Clinton stating "two and two is four", I get the feeling you'd try to pretend it wasn't. You'd probably work some stupid pun like "Shill Clinton" in there, too.
Grow up already.


Actually I think educated people dislike Carter because he was a terrible president, had no backbone, is now old and senile, and generally muddies up international affairs he has no business in.

>> ^quantumushroom:
It's too bad the "public schools" government indoctrination centers don't teach American history anymore. If they did you'd already know that Carter was one of the worst presidents ever.
Those who forget Carter are condemned to repeat him with Obama.


Carter's presidency has nothing to do with statements made here. Despite the legacy of his presidency he has gone on to do excellent work in humanitarian projects all over the world. Claiming every Democrat has been wrong on every statement or decision they've ever made makes you look terribly stupid.

Let me make an example using Bush Jr. He's easily the worst president of my lifetime and quite possibly the worst ever, but I can still say he's done great things with PEPFAR.

If we had footage of Clinton stating "two and two is four", I get the feeling you'd try to pretend it wasn't. You'd probably work some stupid pun like "Shill Clinton" in there, too.

Grow up already.

>> ^peggedbea:
>> ^quantumushroom:
It's too bad the "public schools" government indoctrination centers don't teach American history anymore. If they did you'd already know that Carter was one of the worst presidents ever.
Those who forget Carter are condemned to repeat him with Obama.

carter was a terrible politician because he refused to play politics. on international issues carter was indeed the best president of the second of the 20th century. furthermore, this post is about current humanitarian issues, on which carter has been a profoundly successful leader. and third, "government indoctrination centers" have never taught history. in fact, the cirriculum was always designed from the start to teach patriotism, not actual knowledge. perhaps if they DID teach actual history, you would know that.


Really? So Carter's funding of the Mujahideen in Afghanistan/Pakistan was an example of America's best international work? Most of the lefties have condemned that as the worst thing America has done, the strongest Bush haters even try to liken it to creating Al-Qaeda. Doesn't wash so well with them when they realize it was Carter at the helm back then though. But if you wanna pat him on the back for it, I guess that's up to you.

That aside, he's dead to rights on torture, I just don't feel any need to praise someone for saying something so bloody obvious.

I'd have done it for a car. They could've not played if they didn't want to.

As Gabriella clearly showed.

man, I want to see the other parts. seems interesting."

If I had a nickle... but seriously this could be a whole game show. Although a portion of people would think the 'punishment' was just another prize. Free piercing?!? Yes please!

I love a world where strategically stabbing someone is a game show but wearing a wet hoodie is torture. No. Really. It is.

>> ^Memorare:
yeah the next 8 years of peace, prosperity, and visionary leadership



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA thanks for that, I needed a good laugh to brighten my day

>> ^quantumushroom:
It's too bad the "public schools" government indoctrination centers don't teach American history anymore. If they did you'd already know that Carter was one of the worst presidents ever.
Those who forget Carter are condemned to repeat him with Obama.


carter was a terrible politician because he refused to play politics. on international issues carter was indeed the best president of the second of the 20th century. furthermore, this post is about current humanitarian issues, on which carter has been a profoundly successful leader. and third, "government indoctrination centers" have never taught history. in fact, the cirriculum was always designed from the start to teach patriotism, not actual knowledge. perhaps if they DID teach actual history, you would know that.

A man can be a poor president and still be a good human. Regardless of Jimmy Carter's flaws, he's absolutely right to say that torture can never be justified. Some of the army's own interrogators agree with him.

>> ^jwray:
>> ^quantumushroom:
It's too bad the "public schools" government indoctrination centers don't teach American history anymore. If they did you'd already know that Carter was one of the worst presidents ever.
Those who forget Carter are condemned to repeat him with Obama.

On noneconomic issues, Carter was the best president of the second half of the 20th century.


You just made that up in your head, didn't you? Haha you had me there for a sec

>> ^quantumushroom:
It's too bad the "public schools" government indoctrination centers don't teach American history anymore. If they did you'd already know that Carter was one of the worst presidents ever.
Those who forget Carter are condemned to repeat him with Obama.


I don't know much about carter, and I don't care to.

But neither do I trust Obama, I don't trust any politician any more. Even Paul, and Kucinich.

>> ^quantumushroom:
It's too bad the "public schools" government indoctrination centers don't teach American history anymore. If they did you'd already know that Carter was one of the worst presidents ever.
Those who forget Carter are condemned to repeat him with Obama.


On noneconomic issues, Carter was the best president of the second half of the 20th century.

thanks

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And impeach bush before he pardons the torturers.

too bad you weren't this skeptical and cynical about Bush's administration and his policies before he trashed our government, economy, environment and general standing in the world.

As a proud conservative, I consider myself more cynical and skeptical than you about government's ability to solve anything. I am equally skeptical of human nature.

My Bush disappointments are many: spending like a liberal, open borders fiasco, NCLB, taking no action against rampant fraud in both Iraq and Katrina cleanups, pushing the bailout without debate and towards the end, failing to stand up for himself or his party. Bush lacked core principles, and look what all his pandering to lefties got him: unbridled contempt.

Nevertheless, Bush got a hysterically bad rap from the main-piss-stream media, which has acted like deplorable, infantile squawking seagulls these past 8 years, criticizing the man even as he spent money like a liberal and expanded government. I'd say the lowest point for the bottom feeders was blaming Bush for Katrina while ignoring the fact New Orleans was run by corrupt taxocrats (and still is!) all the years those levees should've been fixed.

I find it hard to take you serious, it's as if you haven't been paying attention to what's happened in the last 8 years

Look what the rest of us had to deal with from the blame-America-first left. Worst Congress ever, controlled by taxocrats. Soaring gas prices and they do nothing. Non-stop negativism about Iraq, even as the good news increased exponentially. 9-11 conspiracy theories taken seriously. Lefties seem to have awfully selective hearing and vision when that irrational-beyond-measure Old Tyme Bush hatred kicks in.

But all this is going away. Soon it will be your fellow at bat. Some people have to learn things the hard way, and that time is here for you, Obama's True Believers. Grab a chair. The Jimmy Carter Remix w/ guest starring 60s radicals is about to begin!

For those not old enough to recognize the name:

Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzezinski (Polish: Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzeziński, pronounced [ˈzbigɲev bʐɛˈʑiɲski]) : (born March 28, 1928, Warsaw, Poland) is a Polish-American political scientist, geostrategist, and statesman who served as United States National Security Advisor to President Jimmy Carter from 1977 to 1981. Known for his hawkish foreign policy at a time when the Democratic Party was increasingly dovish, he is a foreign policy realist and considered by some to be the Democrats' response to Republican realist Henry Kissinger.[1]

via http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Brzezinski

>> ^quantumushroom:
Like all Big Government liberals, Barry O is against citizens owning firearms.

No he isn't. He's very much like me, a gun totin' liberal. As he said in his DNC speech, we can make sure hunters keep their guns, but inner-city gangsters don't have uzi's. There's a balance there, somewhere, but there's a lot more of us hardcore libs who find the 2nd amendment untouchable. Apparently you haven't listened to his view on this issue.

"Hunting only, eh?" Taking guns from "inner-city gang members". Absolute horseshit. No president can do it, and all the 50,000 gun laws we have now do is tie down the lawful citizen. Obama is lying about his "love" of guns. He was likely as upset as the rest of the left (minus you) about the latest Supreme Court ruling that the 2nd Amendment is indeed, an individual right to bear arms.

Obama believes in an all-powerful centrist government. There's nothing government can't fix, if only they have the money...

No he doesn't. He doesn't believe in a broken and bloated gov't that does nothing for us. He believes in individual responsibilities, as well as gov't help for those who can't help themselves, and for infrastructure etc projects.

Obama wants to add billions of dollars in new and expanded programs to fight "the bloat". Does that make sense? I believe most liberals are sincere, but if you'll notice, the pool of people "who can't help themselves" seems to be expanding every day. Now we're "helping" you quit smoking, and quit eating fatty foods, see? We're your new nanny!

Also, should Obama win, I won't fault only him on government growth, the reality is the scumbag bureaucrats run Washington and they can easily outlast any and all 8-year terms.

He uses accusations of "racism" whenever he loses an argument.

Now that's just 100% bullshit. And when people like Sarah Palin call him "Sambo", to deny there's any racist attacks against him, is ridiculous.

The "sambo" charge was false.

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/obama-supporters-are-behind-palin-sambo.html

My answer to Obama's racist poor-me victim act will occur on election day. If he loses, there will be plenty of recrimination from the drive-by media about what an evil racist country America is, as if that's the only reason he lost. If he wins, they won't shut up about how wonderful it is to have a Black president, blah blah blah.

He uses class warfare.

There IS class warfare in this country. What, are you fucking insane? What do you think just happened this week? The gov't colluded with the greediest fucks on this planet to take our money, trillions of dollars of it, to pay for their mistakes.

I agree, and I agree it was wrong for these pricks to subsidize failure. But that's government for ya. If government were smaller, with limited funds, it couldn't get away with this. But historically the Left has been pushing hardest for more and more Big Government. The beast slipped its leash long ago, I'm afraid. But all these bailout don't come close to the 3 trillion wasted on the "War on Poverty".

Obama is nearly a lifelong member of a "church" that promotes Black Liberation Theology.

I hate all religions. I don't see where his bullshit is any more "neo-marxist" than any other dumbass religious believer.

Fair enough. Either Obama is lying about his faith to upset religion-haters or he sees it as a valuable tool for activism.

But its real mission is to radicalize American youth and use them to bring about "social change" through threats, pressure, tension and confrontation

You are absolutely nuts. Really, way way off the deep-end here, my friend.

Well, time will tell if he funds this crap, or gets the chance. I see the way American government-schools have rewritten or eliminated the teaching of history. Nothing surprises me anymore. The Democrats have sold their souls to the kook-left fringe, more so than any religious "control" the right.

Facts and logic are out the window, Obamites are electrified by these vague messages of "hope" and "change" or still part of the "Anybody but Bush" mindset.

Wow, you should try insulting more people's intelligence. Shoving everyone into this "Obamites" category shows just how little grasp you have on this election and these candidates.

It's really a compliment. It takes intelligence to have your imagination captured. I freely admit Barry is an aspiring speaker, and say also, he has not been given a thorough background check nor his lacking credentials serious consideration. It really is a case of rockstar-itis.

Still more sifters are from countries that are already socialist, so there's no conflict of interest there.

I take it you've never been outside the US then. I've traveled 1/2 of my life, lived overseas for years on end, in these "socialist" countries you know nothing about. If you think Europe is what socialism looks like, you need to go back to school.

Well, as the pundits love pointing out, the USA isn't as "sophisticated" as Europe, and the "rest of the world", with all its tinpot dictators and sheiks and corrupt regimes and double-digit unemployment welfare states supposedly despises the USA. The wisest here don't want to be anything like Europeans or anyone else.


And lastly, there are the deluded peaceniks who FEEL that the USA is morally no greater than Red China, and that despots can be 'reasoned with' if only we bring them a bouquet of their favorite flowers.

Wow, that sure is a pretty straw-man you built yourself.

These peaceniks are real enough. They've always been with us and they've always been wrong. Only war stops tyrants.

But tell me, oh wise one. When was the last time you saw one of these evil socialist European nations torture someone? When was the last time a European nation used a pack of lies to sell its citizens an illegal war, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people? When was the last time that Abu-Ghraib happened under France's watch? When was the last time any EU country called the Geneva Conventions "cute"? When was the last time any EU country thought that following international laws, and their own military code of conduct, just didn't count anymore?

There's no point trying to reason with anyone who thinks a war can be "legal" or "illegal". Wars are about survival, nothing else. A saddam-free Iraq increases America's chance for survival. A taliban-free Afghanistan increases America's chance for survival. All the other good or evil to follow is secondary.


Where I differ from others on the matter of war is I believe America is the greatest country on earth, and its only moral force. We have the RIGHT and the duty to do whatever it takes. Without the USA, the world is fucked. Europe withers before the Crescent, China is a communist nightmare, Russia is sliding backwards towards the same, the Middle East is perhaps forever a hellish hail of traded bullets. And whether Ron fucking Paul likes it or not, America has been cast in the role of world's policeman.

Wow. You seem like a very, very scared person.

I am more than worried about electing a President that hates America, who has the defense doctrine of Bill Clinton and the economic knowledge of Jimmy Carter. Should he win, we will weather four years of his ridiculousness while Congress via the people, won't support him.

Reference include:
KISS
Patty Hearst
MAD Magazine
Jimmy Carter
Sonny & Cher
Fonzie
Polaroid Instant Cameras
Baseball cards
Comic books
Billy Jack
David Cassidy
Donny & Marie
Farrah Fawcett
Burt Reynolds
Danny Bonaduce
Monsters Magazine (no info )
Star Wars Two
Studio 54
Jaws
Jimmie Walker
Richard Nixon
Sigmund and the Sea Monsters
The Incredible Hulk
ERA
Rev. Charles Mahaney
70's Gas Crisis
Smiley Face
The Six Million Dollar Man
Kent State Shootings
Shaun Cassidy
Freddie Prinze
Richard Pryor
American Bandstand
Evel Knievel
Cheech & Chong
Steve Martin
Animal House
Charlie's Angels


There are some I'm missing...mainly at 1:12 (on the TV and to the side)