when you talk about getting in trouble, do you mean being called a racist and if not what kind of trouble?

I find it interesting that in the states, people often use an over represented prison population (relative to % of normal population) to indicate that 'those' people are bad. I think with yours and Drachen Jagers comments, you are actually coming from a place that is trying to find a solution to the discrepancy and looking at the underlying conditions that got people into where they are. I wish more people were like that. I also appreciate the insight into the Aboriginal population in Canada. It sounds pretty similar to what's going on in the States.

harlequinn I think jager was referring to the conservative mouthpieces and not the soldiers.
Many a soldier has had their politics change once they do serve
as well...

I love that oh-so delicate pouring of the Jager into the shot/beaker.

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Thank you, I wondered myself!

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"De Kleine Jager" is Dutch for "The Little Hunter," for those who might not have understood that.

"De Kleine Jager" is Dutch for "The Little Hunter," for those who might not have understood that.

i'll start.

10 years ago i was turning 17, drunk at inflatablevagina's house party off of hot damn and jager, i attempted to go on a cow hunt in the pasture behind her house with all my drunk boyfriends, we got scared, did a group piss around a tree, didnt find any cows. insulted her frankenstein-like boyfriend. got in a fist fight with a marine.

a few months later we (inflatablevagina and i) got kicked out of our first apartment for hosting a brothel, i ran away to denver with another friend, lived in a car for a while, spent a year drunk and stoned on a mountain top and traveling around the west having an existential crisis. somehow woke up one morning and realized i had somehow become the host house for interstate traveling ravers seeking parties in the rockies, hazy memories of debauchery flooded back into my brain, promptly moved back to texas, met a beautiful crazy man, had his baby, married him. had another one of his babies, he quit taking his meds and went really really really fucking crazy, left him for good, bought a house, took 8 years worth of xrays. had some personal trauma. had some personal triumph. embraced a broken heart, lived in poverty, got disowned at least 5 times, read alot of books. battled alcoholism internally and externally, philosophized with friends, experienced loss. experienced joy, became subject to gravity, reveled in inertia, lost momentum, was ruled entirely by emotion and impulse, embraced metaphor, was misunderstood, reunited, gave back, took, volunteered my time, attempted to mentally, physically, spiritually and emotionally available, acted irrationally, behaved selfishly, felt whole sometimes, self-taught, fell in love, stepped in infatuation, gave birth. was a mommy. was a wife. was a tattoo supply delivery girl, was a barista. was a pizza maker. was an xray tech. was a massage therapist. was an insomniac. took in my crazy teenage cousin, dated an old friend, reconciled some family shit. lost my mind, traveled alot, lived simply and briefly caught a hold on inner peace, lost it, went crazy, quit taking xrays, went back to school, embraced the amazingness of unemployment. learned to bake, invented some recipes, had some ideas. ate some cookies. raised some amazing babies. raised some cool ass quirky talented kids, paid alot of bills. abandoned all laws of grammar. flirted with internet addiction, smoked 99999999 packs of cigarettes. and several hundreds bowls, made a sift talk post.

So for sources, you're basically you're holding up a website I've never heard of, and a few dictionary entries? Here I thought you'd at least produce a book written by a historian, or written by one of the National Republicans.

>> ^blankfist:
I know you like obtuse analogies to explain your point, so let me try one for you. If you moved out of your home and I moved in after you, am I now you? If I dress up in a Spider-Man costume, am I Spider-Man? If started a band and called it The Rolling, was Mick Jager the founder of my band?

Your first two analogies they don't apply -- they presuppose that the essence of the Democratic-Republican party left the party with the people who left to create their own party. You're back to saying it's a different party because the platform changed; even though the accounts I read usually point to a clash of personality, not ideology (more like Hillary vs. Obama rather than Humphrey vs. Muskie).

In your Rolling Stones analogy, it's more like if a band member left because he thought Jagger did something illicit to become lead singer, and that band member decided to start his own band named the Spinning Stones. Before, people used to refer to the Rolling Stones as "the Stones" before that split, but they now had to emphasize "Rolling" rather than "Stones" to avoid confusion. Eventually they just dropped the word "Stones" from their name. That's a new band, in your view, because the Rolling Stones "dissolved".

The name "Democratic-Republican party" is what historians have assigned as the name of the party; the members themselves often shortened it to just "Republican". Even in Martin Van Buren's book he frustratingly uses all three names (Democratic, Republican, Democratic-Republican) to refer to the party he's in, which just highlights how irresponsible it is to claim it's a wholly new, distinct party. Also, the fact that many sources disagree on the exact timing of the name change seems to imply it was a gradual, conversational change that wasn't formalized until well after the tussle in 1824.

This is in stark contrast to the National Republicans, who clearly left the party to create a new one.

>> ^blankfist:
Though, I do see that written history favors the idea of The Democratic Party coming out of the Democratic Republican Party more than it favors the National Republican Party coming out of it. I will concede that much. Still, it appears the Dem-Repub Party was properly dissolved, as I said.

Yawn, in other words, you realize you're wrong, but won't admit it because you're a pigfucker Jackass like Jackson. Not surprising.

To be fair, the more I read, the more it becomes clear that this argument is mostly a product of how very formal and factionalized political parties are now, compared to the early 1800's. I think parties back then were very loose, informal arrangements, and no one bothered trying to settle the question of "what is the name of our party?" until well after the whole Jackson/Adams drama had fully played out. Nowadays, you would need to figure such things out before getting your name on the ballot for elections.

I suspect the historians disagree about when the name "Democratic Party" was first used, because they can't agree on what event or document to pin it on. Political parties had not yet become legal entities with official names, so there was no official name change document on record.

I do think that the people who attended the "first" Democratic Party convention all felt that they were part of the party founded by Jefferson, and that the National Republicans and Whigs felt that they "didn't leave the Democratic-Republican Party, the Democratic-Republican party left me", and felt they were in more strict keeping with Jefferson's legacy.

However, I do think they would admit they had left the Democratic-Republican party to form their own, even if they feel it's what Jefferson himself would've done.

First, I never said it disappeared into thin air. I get that there was a split, and people left that party. But, the party itself is gone. Just like the National Republican Party is gone. You don't hear people running as a Democratic Republican, do you?

Second, what straw man? The point of a straw man is to deceive. I wasn't trying to deceive you. Just because I don't dance for you when you ask me to dance, doesn't mean I created a straw man. I found your Virginia/West Virginia question to be needlessly verbose and irrelevant. Shall I entertain you like a good monkey and answer it?

Third, I'm not hung up on the "logo". I am trying my best to illustrate to you how that party was created as a separate party under Jackson. Period. Changing a logo or a mascot does not make a new party. Now you're just being childish.

From http://www.bartleby.com/61/39/D0123900.html:
"A political party in the United States that was opposed to the Federalist Party and was founded by Thomas Jefferson in 1792 and dissolved in 1828."

And why was it "dissolved" in 1828? What big party was formed in 1828? Hmmm. Oh, that's right, the Democratic Party! Want more examples? How about your own Answers.com site: http://www.answers.com/topic/democratic-republican-party. They claim it was "dissolved" in 1828, as well.

How about here: http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Democratic-Republican_Party_United_States_-_History/id/4978465 "In the late 1820s, the party split into factions and dissolved. Along with some ex-Federalists, supporters of Andrew Jackson, led by Martin Van Buren, organized themselves into an offshoot of the Democratic-Republican Party called the Democratic Party. The link between today's Democratic Party and the party founded by Jefferson was a theme emphasized by Franklin D. Roosevelt in the 1930s and other Democratic politicans throughout the years."

Though, I do see that written history favors the idea of The Democratic Party coming out of the Democratic Republican Party more than it favors the National Republican Party coming out of it. I will concede that much. Still, it appears the Dem-Repub Party was properly dissolved, as I said.

I know you like obtuse analogies to explain your point, so let me try one for you. If you moved out of your home and I moved in after you, am I now you? If I dress up in a Spider-Man costume, am I Spider-Man? If started a band and called it The Rolling, was Mick Jager the founder of my band?

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