Ahh is this like an argument, or are you two just insulting each other?

Its really difficult to "believe" in something if you dont know what the hell it is or is trying to be. It is better to discover and know than to believe. I dont have a horse in this race as I am not american (my sister is and she just de-registered from the republicans), but seriously why are there no "normal" people running for political jobs anymore? You know, credible people with a plan, not psychopats, not avatars of agressive womanhood, latino-ism, socialism or stupidity?

Are there only dumb fanboys at these rallies so stupidity is expected, and has to be promoted in order to appeal? Are facts and program and sanity important to any degree at all?

Is Trump the bigger bum than Sanders, just with a rich dad?

Not all cultures denigrate women's ability to do things. @radx told me that in Germany, this whole thing is a non-issue, since women are perceived as being strong.

So it depends on the culture, yeah? Yes, maybe men have always insulted each other ( that is an assumption, unless you have prehistoric records -- ha!) during competition by calling them weak.

Not all cultures call men weak by saying that they are like girls.

So we are back to this insults girls and can inhibit their social growth.

Because not only are you calling men weak, you are calling girls weak.

Does that make sense?

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>> ^Deano:
Blocked or summat? Won't load for me.


It's working fine for me...must be blocked in your area. I will mark it blocked. There's a lower quality and slightly extended version on youtube that you can watch if you like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z0JzrRKy5k

>> ^kymbos:

I want the full interview!!!


The full interview is in two parts and both can be found on this page:
http://www.laughspin.com/2012/06/26/louis-c-k-tells-jay-leno-hes-the-weirdest-looking-person-on-the-planet-earth-video/

Occupy Wall Street vs. The Tea Party

http://oi55.tinypic.com/dn22pt.jpg

The greatest threat to our economy is neither corporations nor the government. The greatest threat to our economy is both of them working together. There are currently two sizable coalitions of angry citizens that are almost on the same page about that, and they're too busy insulting each other to notice.

yes, I know that, i guess it's just frustrating that calling out such utter idiocy is such a no-no for the sake of "communication". I don't think insults should be an obligatory part of this kinds of debates, but sometimes the nonsense should be called out as such (the fact that it is done by a comedian is all the more telling). I guess we simply disagree on approach.

In reply to this comment by FlowersInHisHair:
@<a rel="nofollow" href="http://videosift.com/member/hpqp" title="member since July 25th, 2009" class="profilelink">hpqp

I'm the last person to insist on special treatment for religious nuts and their beliefs, you know that. My point is that a formal debate is a place for reasoned argument, not name calling. She was invited on the show, like they all were, to conduct a debate, not insult each other. Even if the other debaters were to behave badly and insult her, the best course of action would still to be civil, and show them up. As for the audience response, you can hear it in the video. Hell, I'm on her side, and I think she was out of order.

@hpqp

I'm the last person to insist on special treatment for religious nuts and their beliefs, you know that. My point is that a formal debate is a place for reasoned argument, not name calling. She was invited on the show, like they all were, to conduct a debate, not insult each other. Even if the other debaters were to behave badly and insult her, the best course of action would still to be civil, and show them up. As for the audience response, you can hear it in the video. Hell, I'm on her side, and I think she was out of order.

Upvoted for the discussion, which I think is quality, more than the video (which is much less so, but still Sift-worthy). There's one thing I'd like to add to the discussion.

I suppose what disturbs me most about the religion/atheism rift that sometimes appears in the comments section on the Sift is that some individuals (on both sides) take a condescending view of those who don't think exactly as they do (you'll find several examples among the posts here). It's as if they think that their viewpoint somehow gives them (moral or intellectual) superiority and they should be free to mock others who differ in opinion. As many high-fives as this mocking may score you from others who share the same viewpoint, I don't find it very helpful to the discussion.

The way I see it, we all share this planet and have to figure out a way to get along. Religion/religious people aren't going anywhere anytime soon (unless the Bible actually is true and rapture occurs in the near future ). All of us are going to have to work together to solve the problems that are facing us as a species (continued warfare around the world, global warming, pollution, dwindling resources, etc.). These problems aren't going to be solved through our insulting each other over what we believe.

I guess in my really long-winded way I'm just asking people on the Sift to be polite. Some people believe in UFOs, some in ghosts, some in gods, and some in no gods. Let them. No, they don't have the right to force their beliefs on others, but neither do others have the right to force their lack of beliefs on others either.

I always hate this portrayal of "The Guys"

It always seems to generalize all guys as some form of douchie Zapp Brannigan, about as interesting as a toenail clipping, and generally about as intelligent.

I can't speak for everyone, But I personally have never sat around with my friends doing dick all and being as obnoxious as possible. If I had a group of friends over and all we did was sit around insulting each other, I'd basically reconsider my friendship with those people.

Yup thats where i was. I couldn't remember, but yes.
I probably saw your stupid house. I should have peed on it.
Had i known about the sift this time last year and what a dick you were, we would have had to get beers and insult each other. We stayed in Mission Bay, and I liked it there pretty well. Also In-N-Out burger sucks.

Don't pretend like you don't want to hang out with me.

In reply to this comment by rottenseed:
I know exactly where you were...that's belmont park (with a rollercoaster, no?). That gyro place is bomb. And that wave machine is RIGHT next to thewavehouse where on Sundays they do a house party in the afternoon til about 10. If it wasn't for the eminent hangover on mondays I'd be there every sunday. I live about 3 miles away from there, wow that's really close for sifters to be to one another without tearing a hole in the sift-space continuum.

I'd say next time you're over here to hit me up, but you're probably not coming back and we probably don't want you...:P

In reply to this comment by inflatablevagina:
some place where they had surf boards and a wave for people to surf on. It was obnoxious and also some sort of terrible radio station was there blasting shit hole music. It wasn't house music though. It was like new rock shit that I hate. It was right on the beach and right across from the best gyros ever.

In reply to this comment by rottenseed:
The Wave or the wavehouse? I like the wave house...

(house music + sunsets)*drugs = awesome

In reply to this comment by inflatablevagina:
i came for the gyros.
oh and the pizza

but not for that place called "The Wave". That place can suck my ass.

Fort Worth is the same way so I can't give you the golden shower that you probably deserve

In reply to this comment by rottenseed:
Yea SD does suck post anal sex discharge, but...but...well I can't defend this fucking place.

I can't apologize for the people here because they piss me off too...and I probably piss them off. Next thing you know we're all pissing each other off and here comes a tourist like yourself that walks right into the middle of this angry piss-fest and starts crying about getting pissed on...well fuck you, who fucking invited you anyway?!

In reply to this comment by inflatablevagina:
well Rottenseed, i was in San Diego this time last year.... water was pretty.. people were dicks.

stopped at a place by the ocean to drink a beer.... full of pricks.

So.. basically San Diego can suck my cooter. (spell check is flagging cooter and suggesting cuter.. .oh spell check you don't know how right you are...)

I did enjoy the tiny Photography Museum though.

Thanks for linking that its really good. Especially this entry:

43. You

Charges: You think it’s your patriotic duty to spend money you don’t have on crap you don’t need. You think Hillary lost because of sexism, when it’s actually because she’s just a bad liar. You think Iraq is better off now than before we invaded, and don’t understand why they’re so ungrateful. You think Tim Russert was a great journalist. You’re hopping mad about an auto industry bailout that cost a squirt of piss compared to a Wall Street heist of galactic dimensions, due to a housing crash you somehow have blamed on minorities. It took you six years to figure out what a tool Bush is, but you think Obama will make it all better. You deem it hunky dory that we conduct national policy debates via 8-second clips from “The View.” You think God zapped humans into existence a few thousand years ago, although your appendix and wisdom teeth disagree. You like watching vicious assholes insult each other on TV. You support gun rights, because firing one gives you a chubby. You cuddle falsehoods and resent enlightenment. You think the fact that 43% of whites could stomach voting for an incredibly charismatic and eloquent light-skinned black guy who was raised by white people means racism is over. You think progressive taxation is socialism. 1 in 100 of you are in jail, and you think it should be more. You are shallow, inconsiderate, afraid, brand-conscious, sedentary, and totally self-obsessed. You are American.

Exhibit A: You’re more upset by Miley Cyrus’s glamour shots than the fact that you are a grown adult who is upset about Miley Cyrus.

Sentence: Invaded and occupied by Canada; all military units busy overseas without enough fuel to get back.

me too with the cow shoving.
and btw nobody insulted me to start this off, i am just as sick of reading other people insult each other as i would be if someone directed it at me.

the way people diss me, as choggie points out, is more subtle than "fuck you". and i am cool with that, it's part of the game. I post under a false name for this reason, it's a game.

but i think the "fiery threads" are much more fun if everyone accepts that descending into namecalling is strictly off limits.

you should read some of the shit on youtube about whether vilnius belongs to poland or not. daymn, it's a great debate, but on youtube the signal to noise ratio is ridiculous. I would hate to see "tolerance" end up as "laissez faire".

gorgonheap, of course people dislike things other people say, but there is a very very thick black line between "you're talking rubbish, x is ridiculous because y and z" and "stfu retard".

now, i am sure someone would be banned quick if they said "take your black ass outside and hang yourself by the nearest tree"... and thankfully that hasn't happened... yet.

but if someone says "stfu, you're just a brainless conservative troll" they get "tolerated".

easy kids. no need to insult each other

The cartoon and the arguments within the comments take too much latitude assuming an invalid perspective.

God made people as the pinnacle of his creative efforts and gave them the ability to love. With love comes free will (because without the ability to choose, it really isn't love). People used their free will to essentially say "Fuck you God, we don't need to follow your rules and we're doing things our own way." Selfishness has since worked its way through the ages and the consequences have followed (by elevating one's needs/wants/desires above others, one can justify pretty much anything -- deceit, theft, murder, etc.).

God made multiple attempts to reestablish the relationship, but people kept messing it up. Many simply chose to continue in their ways because they liked playing master of their destiny. Others thought they knew how to fix things -- through the words they said, the rituals they observed, the rules they followed, etc. Very few really "got it". Jesus came to try fix things while making it clear that what counts is not what is on the outside (appearance, words, rules, etc.), but what is on the inside (the attitude, the driving motivation).

How have people responded? We continue to screw it up. Some want to ignore it all, placate themselves with some logic and go their own way. Many Christians believe they are in the "in crowd" because of their denomination, rituals, beliefs, etc., while their inner attitudes aren't really any different. As we can see from this collection of comments, the groups argue and insult each other.

The cartoon along with the collection of comments just proves that we still don't understand. We continue to essentially say "Fuck you God, I'm doing it my own way" and then try to add on "God, you could have prevented me from messing up in the first place, so this whole thing is your fault anyway. What do you mean that you won't want me living at your place with you forever? You aren't much of a God if that is the way things are, you weak, stupid, evil... Hey, I've got it! I don't even think you exist at all!"

The statement that "Jesus loves you" is rather amazing given how he has been treated by those who argue against him, those who have tried to usurp his name to justify their hideous actions and those who present themselves as representing him while not following his words and examples. Jesus is truly unique in the way he dealt with people, how he spoke, the logic he used, his interactions with the "religious" and what he claimed about himself. I think it is worth more consideration than a cartoon and some philosophical arguments.