Personally, if I don't like someone I don't engage them, at all. If someone engages a person who pisses them off, that is their responsibility. Dag doesn't need to put up with personal attacks, and I doubt he takes them seriously.
Speaking in kindergarten terms here, it is a whole other matter entirely when the schoolyard bully is in someone's face and demanding that they hit first, or else he/she will keep pestering everyone in the schoolyard beyond ignorable behavior. That's when the first available person who is capable should physically remove the bully. He jumps the fence during recess and keeps harrasing? Remove him again. When the school suspension (in metaphorical terms here, his two week ban) is over, no one in the real world would hesitate to kick him out again if he starts up again.
But then what if said bully then spends every day outside the fence watching and making comments to anyone who will listen? Were I a school counselor, I would have to ask myself "Does he have nothing better to do and just likes causing a raucus, or is he genuinely wanting back into school to continue his invested time & efforts?".
At such a point I would think that the question would really be whether any person with authority would be willing to take on the "project" of having him back, being as that person would ultimately be dealing with any messes created in the process.
I have made a point of letting "choggie" know that I like him, I believe he is an essentially good person...but that like it or not, every interaction in this world is political and people have a threshold of tolerance that is up to them. It is not a person's god-given right to be however they want to be and expect unconditional acceptance.
If he has crossed Dag or Lucky's threshold of tolerance, then that's that. Just because a couple of us in the schoolyard miss and like him doesn't give us the right to demand that the principal must willingly take on the burden.

As wrongheaded, baseless, and false his statement in post #1 is, that is not harassment just because you happen to be offended by his comment. I am offended by it as well. Was he harassing me? No, because that is not harassment. Harassment is: "Hey guys, HaricotVert is a fucking faggot!"

He did not say that, though. He made an incorrect and statistically impossible statement about the existence of gays. That's his own problem, and it's not unlike things I hear on street corners, in Letters to the Editor of my local newspaper, on various internet forums outside of VideoSift, or any number of churches in my county. Are all of these people being arrested/banned just because you interpret it as "Harassment"? No, they're not.

For the last time - if you really have a problem with him, ignore him. You're saying you don't get the "full picture" by ignoring him... I honestly do not know what you mean by that if you so fervently believe his comments are completely worthless - they simply contribute nothing to the "full picture" to begin with. If you just want to be aware that comments like those are being made so you can be in tune with the "reality" of hate-speech, I am not sure why you campaign so strongly for disciplining CaptainPlanet420 despite there being many thousands (millions?) of people just like him all over the intarwebs. What are you doing about those individuals? Are you taking on each one individually and appealing to admins to ban them, too? I do not understand how punishing just one CaptPlanet will "shield" you from the thousands of other CaptPlanets in both the real and virtual world who spout the same stuff.

The high road would have been to just ignore him. You and I are both of strong enough will to simply write him off as one of the morons of the world and carry on. However, now you've simply brought yourself down to his level in engaging him on his own bullshit. Now I'm in here arguing against you only because you fell for the trap. The discussion is now unrelated to the original banning of schwamy. Now it's about whether or not people should have to listen to CaptainPlanet. If you don't want to ignore him, fine. Plenty of people already have, and the friends you want to protect from his abuse can ignore him too. However, for me it's one thing to hear what CaptPlanet says, and another to listen.

I'm done here, the solutions have been presented to you and you seem to not want to accept them.

>> ^berticus:@HaricotVert: The third abuse guideline states that harrasment in any form is forbidden. In the first comment I linked to he calls gays illegitimate losers. He might not have broken the guidelines for YOU, but he sure as fuck has for me, multiple times.

You're not even worth bothering with deedub, sorry sugar.

@HaricotVert: The third abuse guideline states that harrasment in any form is forbidden. In the first comment I linked to he calls gays illegitimate losers. He might not have broken the guidelines for YOU, but he sure as fuck has for me, multiple times.

My therapist says I'm the kind of guy who should stop harrasing her family.

Sexual Harrasment Panda? What are you doing in this video? (1:07)

Look, I never stated that ugly or non-beautiful people do not get any of these same negative treatments, or harrassments... nor did I associate however it is you think I perceive myself with the incidents I reported. I merely offered up my experiences with the matter as a confirmation that the things referred to (mostly the more serious issues mentioned by oxdottir and persephone in their blogs, the harrassment, objectification, etc) are, in fact, not fun.

I also do not think, even for a moment, that men do shitty disgusting things based solely on something I do or the way I look, nor have I ever condoned it, or rationalized their behavior as such... if you would actually read my comment below you would see that. I'm sorry your own outlook on things has prevented you from looking at this any other way, or that you think I'm trying to undermine your experiences with my own, but that was not my intent.

All I meant with that post was for people to stop assuming that the girl in the video was crying for absolutely no good reason, because, I think at least, that she was crying because she perhaps had had similar exposure to sexual harrasment, and I wanted to offer this up as a possibility (because really, having only seen that short clip, none of us can know what she was really crying about). And I would think that anyone who has dealt with sexual harrassment or objectification (pretty or not, or whatever) would agree not to jump to conclusions about her tears because the damage done is very real, very hard to discuss, and very worth crying about.


In reply to this comment by smibbo:
the sexual harrassment you describe happens to ugly women too. it is very insensitive to make the association between your good looks and degrading treatment by men; its NOT a "looks" thing, its a FEMALE thing. I guess i'll keep saying it and you and the other pretty women will keep devalueing my point. I guess its hard for yall to believe ugly women gt harrassed too? They do. Because degrading and devalueing a woman is something "man" does for power and intimidation, not because you're so damned hot he can't help himself. They do it because they are cowardly jackasses, not because you look so great, no matter what they tell you. You give them a kind of "excuse" when you believe they do it for your looks. Stop believing that please, stop giving them that kind of "out" and please stop devaluing other women's experiences by constantly saying that because you're beautiful you get assholes bothering you; all us women get those assholes.

In reply to this comment by raven:
I agree with Kate that it is wrong to assume that the girl in the video is crying over nothing, or she is doing so just because she is beautiful... granted, that bit was lumped together with the other pretty minor complaints by everyone else, but I would think that the mere fact that she is crying is probably indicative that whatever it was she experienced was indeed pretty terrible... because as she said, some comments just do not make you feel pretty, they make you feel objectified, and even dirty.

I'm not talking about the basic, "You're very pretty" kind of compliment, but the kind that borders on, or is, sexual harrassment... you can't know unless its happened to you how terribly frightening and disgusting it is to be trapped in a elevator with a man who can't help but stare lecherously at you, and then ventures to say (true story), "I'd like to fuck you if you let me" Out of the blue, just like that, its terrifying, does not make one feel pretty but rather dirty somehow, and yes, it does bring out tears. Or there are even sometimes worse incidents involving coworkers or fellow students, where the objectification is continuous and after a while it becomes more than tiresome but rather stressful to have them all keep track of what you wear everyday, whether or not it shows off anything, or have them (rather publicly) get a pool going to see which of them will get to fuck you first (not kidding, guys, who are seemingly otherwise professional sorts, do actually do this kind of shit), which makes you begin to hate yourself and not want to go into school or work everyday. I'm not suggesting that this does not happen to those who aren't considered "beautiful" (whatever that cultural construct might currently be), but its damaging, and I can completely relate to where that girl is probably coming from.