Yes. I was trying to reinterpret the "God-hates-fags-so-he-gave-them-AIDS" line with something just as scientifically rigorous in light of the new evidence, and which stays well within religious wingnut logic.

In reply to this comment by FlowersInHisHair:
>> ^messenger:

Can you see now, homophobes? God didn't create HIV because he "hates fags". Rather, these people are God's chosen ones to finally deliver the cure for cancer. Suck on that, haters!

You know gay people didn't invent HIV, right?

I would assume that shiny represents himself truthfully in his comments, and from that we can draw quite a few conclusions.

He may give candy to orphans or be an axewielding mass murderer, but that doesn't change the fact that through his comments we get insight into his mind - and from what he has put forth, and certainly the tone and presentation of it, I am less than impressed.

I would argue that there is more hatred streaming from his comments than from the comments mocking him and his beliefs... after all, we don't tell him that he will burn in hell for ever and ever unless he buys charter or gives to charity, or support the republican party. We just point and laugh.

Opinions that are wrong deserve enlightenment and help, but when they are presented as they have been here, they deserve scorn.

Religion strikes so much to the base of a person, his morals, that you learn a lot from a comment. Some devout christians and spiritual people are genuinely nice and good while others are genuinely bad. So far, I've not seen much evidence presented here that puts shiny in the first category.
>> ^enoch:

>> ^shinyblurry:
God will get the last word on this one. Hitchens, justifying his life of sin to himself, has an ego a mile wide. His will, his way. He thinks he has the right to do whatever he pleases. He is trotting out his illness in national forums to stick it to God one last time. Well, when he is judged he won't have any excuse. God has been trying to save him and Chris has rejected that help, even belittled and made fun of it. Even being a loudmouthed arrogant braggart with delusions of grandeur, who has made a career teaching others to sin, God shows him mercy. The whole thing is just heartbreaking to me. I pray he wakes up and finds the truth before its too late.

so shiny puts forth a comment.
a comment based upon his/her religion concerning sin-repentance-absolution in regards to hitchens possible judgment.
and what does he/she get for his comment?
name-calling and disdain.
way to keep it classy guys.
do you KNOW shiny?
maybe he/she is a great person.spending time with the dying in their time of need or donates to local charities.
or maybe he/she is part of fred phelps "god hates fags" group.
i dont know and neither do you.
and to base a personal judgment on a comment is the height of presumption.
you can disagree with his ideology which is obviously based in dogma but to jump to conclusions based on so little and with such self righteous vigor is shameful.
might i suggest that you check yourselves before you begin to resemble the very thing i see so many of you admonish time and time again concerning religious hypocrisy.

>> ^shinyblurry:

God will get the last word on this one. Hitchens, justifying his life of sin to himself, has an ego a mile wide. His will, his way. He thinks he has the right to do whatever he pleases. He is trotting out his illness in national forums to stick it to God one last time. Well, when he is judged he won't have any excuse. God has been trying to save him and Chris has rejected that help, even belittled and made fun of it. Even being a loudmouthed arrogant braggart with delusions of grandeur, who has made a career teaching others to sin, God shows him mercy. The whole thing is just heartbreaking to me. I pray he wakes up and finds the truth before its too late.


so shiny puts forth a comment.
a comment based upon his/her religion concerning sin-repentance-absolution in regards to hitchens possible judgment.
and what does he/she get for his comment?
name-calling and disdain.
way to keep it classy guys.
do you KNOW shiny?
maybe he/she is a great person.spending time with the dying in their time of need or donates to local charities.
or maybe he/she is part of fred phelps "god hates fags" group.
i dont know and neither do you.
and to base a personal judgment on a comment is the height of presumption.

you can disagree with his ideology which is obviously based in dogma but to jump to conclusions based on so little and with such self righteous vigor is shameful.
might i suggest that you check yourselves before you begin to resemble the very thing i see so many of you admonish time and time again concerning religious hypocrisy.

>> ^bamdrew:

Yeah... pretty silly campaign.
Than again... maybe the sillier/more offensive the better...

Q:"Why do bad things happen to good people?"
A:"Because God hates fags"
-this billboard brought to you by some annoying atheist group-


this made me laugh, sorta like the joke:

What did the deaf, dumb, blind, mute boy get for Christmas?
Cancer

Yeah... pretty silly campaign.

Than again... maybe the sillier/more offensive the better...


Q:"Why do bad things happen to good people?"

A:"Because God hates fags"

-this billboard brought to you by some annoying atheist group-

>> ^poolcleaner:

>> ^NetRunner:
It's a Christmas miracle!

God bless us, every one!
Wouldn't that be awesome if Christians became the new hippies and started living on little farms, growing marijuana?? I would love to buy Jesus weed.

What a Utopia! Christians, who actually know that Jesus said we should love the poor, and who understand that even if God gave man dominion over the world, that doesn't mean we should rip it apart, poison it, and burn it at every opportunity.

Instead of "God hates fags" on Church signs, we would see "BONG HITS 4 JESUS!"

Well that seems kinda sweet actually. The guy who says God hasn't given up on the Atheists and he stills loves them. We need more Christians like him who say "Love" rather than "God Hates Fags".

"If god hates fags, why are we so cute?" LOL

The true leader is the "What-are-you-doing-don't-steal" guy. His leadership garnered respect and thus followers. The ill fated leadership of the thief gained him no respect because the crowd surrounding him did not share his values. Successful leadership is dependent on the potential followers around you and their collective values. Richard Dawkins is a leader in sciencetific/atheist circles, but if he were to walk into a church he would fail to inspire. Likewise, a priest or pastor excels at leading in a church, but may elicit no response when attempting to lead outside his or her parish, such as those God-Hates-Fags Baptists when they go anywhere outside their bubble.

In conclusion: The thief misinterpreted his potential follower's collective values, thus allowing a rival leader to rise to power and confront him.

>> ^MrFisk:

I think you mean Shelby-Phelps.
In reply to this comment by MilkmanDan:
"Does any other religion even carry signs like this?"
I guess he has not seen Falwell "God Hates Fags", and the more violent/threatening variations thereof. Not that I think this particularly damages the case that he would make (and I'd tend to agree -- I'd just say that Falwell's Christians have no place in Western society either).


You're correct - my bad. I was typing in a hurry and came up with the wrong name. I'll correct it in the thread, thanks!

I think you mean Shelby-Phelps.

In reply to this comment by MilkmanDan:
"Does any other religion even carry signs like this?"

I guess he has not seen Falwell "God Hates Fags", and the more violent/threatening variations thereof. Not that I think this particularly damages the case that he would make (and I'd tend to agree -- I'd just say that Falwell's Christians have no place in Western society either).

"Does any other religion even carry signs like this?"

I guess he has not seen FalwellPhelps' "God Hates Fags", and the more violent/threatening variations thereof. Not that I think this particularly damages the case that he would make (and I'd tend to agree -- I'd just say that FalwellPhelps' Christians have no place in Western society either).


*EDIT:
Replace Falwell (Jerry) with Phelps (Fred). I was typing quickly and got my militant far-right-wing christian leaders mixed up! Although, to cut myself some slack, some similarly intolerant / violent / wrathful statements have originated from Falwell also...

Fuck you and your controversy category... I'll rape your Cherokee grandfather in front of your wife with my daughter's baby rattle while I force you to listen to Ludwig Von, then combine your tears with my girlfriend's tears, who I just punched in the cunt (because she didn't wear her Islam face thingy); then, I'll mix it with poo and agent orange, and sell it as anti-AIDS medicine in Africa. All proceeds, that aren't converted to carbon credits and WoW gold, will go to the Catholic church and Fred Phelps' God Hates Fags site. I'll write about it prison and dedicate it to the memory of Hitler, weapons of mass destruction, and all the fans of the Twilight series. P.S. Before I have sex with your grandfather, I will tear out the foetus of a pregnant Hindu priestess, fuck that foetus, then use its stim cells to increase the length of my cock -- which will be ramming into a cow after this all happens. Then I'll eat the cow. Then I'll accept JESUS CHRIST as my personal savious, kill myself and have my remains fed to Pepperridge Farm chickens.

See ya in Heaven, bitch nigga.

^if the church refused to marry a gay couple in the temple then the law would take away their ability to marry ANYONE in the temple.

However, it is their fear. They are afraid of discrimination laws. Men's clubs were forced to accept women under federal law. Why wouldn't the church be forced to marry gays?

One of the gay marriage laws that passed -- I can't remember which state it was -- added a clause that said that churches were free to NOT marry gays. That they would never be forced to do so.

I thought that was a brilliant move.

Take away their main fear, and would Mormons have been so monetarily willing to overturn the law? They would still be against gay marriage, but they wouldn't be so invested in protecting their turf.

Let their president get the word from God eventually, just like he did when blacks were no longer barred from being priests -- well after civil rights legislation and after they realized that the priest ban was preventing their growth into black-skinned neighborhoods and nations. I have no doubt -- and have predicted to my very conservative Mormon brother and his son, that the President will do so. Maybe not in the next decade, but it is coming.

As for the "hate filled" memos -- my nephew shared with me what was sent to him. He thought it would change my mind. The memos weren't hate-filled. Misguided, certainly. A complete lack of understanding of the biology of being gay. A complete lack of understanding that when they equate being gay with being immoral that that feels like an assault against a gay person's humanity. But not hate filled. Not like that crazy guy who pickets outside military funerals with signs that say "God Hates Fags."

Anyway. I repeat what a smart move it was on the part of that one state that protected a church's right to be stupid. There are plenty of churches who embrace gay people as fully human, expressing their full selves as God (if you go in for that) made them.

If gays walk away from the Mormon church, bringing their families with them, that is the quickest way to get the President to suddenly hear from God that it is okay to be gay.

(Does everyone know what I mean by the President talking to God? It's true. The head of the church is a committee of 12? 13?, the President of which talks to God. Or rather, God talks to him. Always him, of course. So this guy has the ability to change core documents and doctrines of the church.

Every man in the Mormon church is a priest, through whom the Holy Spirit flows.

However, until God told the President differently, black men were barred from being priests. They could be members of the church, but not priests. The original documents said that their black skin was the mark of Cain, they are descendents of Cain. So they couldn't be priests. But then -- after the civil rights movement -- God decided to finally forgive Cain once and for all.

The timing is just coincidence, of course.

The Mormon religion has, overall, been a great blessing to my brother, giving him a structure within which to raise his family and re-define himself outside his dysfunctional family of origin. Not my choice, but his and it works for him.

The Mormon religion is also one crazy ass thing. I swear.)

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