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Robert Fisk: "Obama Is Worse Than Bush!"

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Robert Fisk on Obama, Afghanistan, and Power

Yogi says...

Robert Fisk is an interesting guy, often very negative and cynical, but still a very serious journalist. I've read his book "The Great War for Civilisation" twice. It documents his reports from middle east among numerous wars and genocides and everything in between. It's an incredible book and after reading it I can absolutely see why he is the way he is. He's on the other side of the wall, looking at horror and mayhem no human should have to take in all at once.

In contrast Noam Chomsky is resoundingly positive on how he views the future and the victories won for peace and justice around the world. It's not Robert Fisks job to analyze those things though, it's only his job to live in the horror and report on it. So him being negative and cynical is a sort of byproduct of seeing the worst of mankind almost constantly.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman..."

Rotty says...

>> ^Diogenes:
the total costs of the 'clinton blowjob' investigation also include years' worth of whitewater investigations begun under independent counsel robert fiske -- ken starr replaced him, and then further investigations were tacked on... namely travelgate, filegate, and finally the paula jones civil suit leading to the breaking of the lewinsky story...
the total pricetag for seven years of multiple investigations? approximately 70 to 80 million
let's also keep in mind that it wasn't 'clinton getting a blowjob' that incurred these expenses, rather that there were shady land deals, as well as questionable firings of whitehouse travel staff, and improper access of fbi files... being investigated parallel to his sexual harrassment (paula jones) case while arkansas governor - the latter led to lewinsky... and it was then that clinton was charged with PERJURY and OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.... not just getting a bj
the cost of the lewinsky portion of the investigation, and that which caused the two above charges, is estimated at 6.7 to 7.2 million dollars
the total cost of the 9-11 investigation was 12 million dollars... 3 million initially allocated, and another 9 million of a requested 11 million allocated later
finally, as to the 'gop spen[ding] more money' ... well, the original investigation was initiated at clinton's request... through janet reno, who was appointed by clinton himself -- and reno appointed fiske, and then fiske was replaced--using a law of special counsel (originally created by a democrat-controlled congress in 1978) reenacted by clinton--by starr who was appointed by an independent three-judge panel to continue the whitewater investigation - also remember that starr had previously been the leading candidate for a us supreme court seat, but was deemed 'not conservative enough' by the gop... and therefore h.w. bush nominated david souter
yeah, there was monkey-business besides clinton and a cigar, but let's not forget the basic facts


Why muddy your propaganda with facts, escpecially when the fact don't support you.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman..."

Diogenes says...

the total costs of the 'clinton blowjob' investigation also include years' worth of whitewater investigations begun under independent counsel robert fiske -- ken starr replaced him, and then further investigations were tacked on... namely travelgate, filegate, and finally the paula jones civil suit leading to the breaking of the lewinsky story...

the total pricetag for seven years of multiple investigations? approximately 70 to 80 million

let's also keep in mind that it wasn't 'clinton getting a blowjob' that incurred these expenses, rather that there were shady land deals, as well as questionable firings of whitehouse travel staff, and improper access of fbi files... being investigated parallel to his sexual harrassment (paula jones) case while arkansas governor - the latter led to lewinsky... and it was then that clinton was charged with PERJURY and OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.... not just getting a bj

the cost of the lewinsky portion of the investigation, and that which caused the two above charges, is estimated at 6.7 to 7.2 million dollars

the total cost of the 9-11 investigation was 12 million dollars... 3 million initially allocated, and another 9 million of a requested 11 million allocated later

finally, as to the 'gop spen[ding] more money' ... well, the original investigation was initiated at clinton's request... through janet reno, who was appointed by clinton himself -- and reno appointed fiske, and then fiske was replaced--using a law of special counsel (originally created by a democrat-controlled congress in 1978) reenacted by clinton--by starr who was appointed by an independent three-judge panel to continue the whitewater investigation - also remember that starr had previously been the leading candidate for a us supreme court seat, but was deemed 'not conservative enough' by the gop... and therefore h.w. bush nominated david souter

yeah, there was monkey-business besides clinton and a cigar, but let's not forget the basic facts

MrFisk (Member Profile)

MrFisk gets to 500, surrounded by controversy (Controversy Talk Post)

MrFisk gets to 500, surrounded by controversy (Controversy Talk Post)

MrFisk gets to 500, surrounded by controversy (Controversy Talk Post)

MrFisk gets to 500, surrounded by controversy (Controversy Talk Post)

brycewi19 says...

I always secretly hoped you were Carlton Fisk, catcher of the Red Sox and White Sox in the 70's and 80's.

One can dream they're in the presence of someone really special, right?

Wait, that came out wrong as if you're not. Crap.

OK, well congratulations anyway, MrFisk, or should I say, Carlton!

MrFisk gets to 500, surrounded by controversy (Controversy Talk Post)

MrFisk gets to 500, surrounded by controversy (Controversy Talk Post)

gwiz665 says...

>> ^Ornthoron:
You do know that 'fisk' is the norwegian word for 'fish', right?, Well, you do now if you didn't already. Congratulations.


Danish too.. and Swedish, if I'm not mistaken. It's all very fishy...

MrFisk gets to 500, surrounded by controversy (Controversy Talk Post)

MrFisk gets to 500, surrounded by controversy (Controversy Talk Post)

MrFisk gets to 500, surrounded by controversy (Controversy Talk Post)



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