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LoL Cenk is funny as hell in this one LOL LOL


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>> ^Porksandwich:

Does Finland schooling system provide anything but education and the facilities and meals related to keeping a large group of people for hours on end?
Do they do tutoring?
How do they handle discipline?
Do they offer sports teams and fields, etc as part of the school budget?
Uniforms?
Field trips?
Music/band?
Im hoping to hear from @CreamK on this.
Like I've always felt in the US that the sports programs and all the cost associated with them plus the competition they spawn within the student body and against other schools is not beneficial. Basically you end up with a small group of players who get the school to bend over backwards to make things possible for them and everyone else loses out on it, in fact they often have to pay for tickets to even see the events their parents tax dollars make possible.


There's tutoring for students that are falling behind, it's personal one-on-one and there's a multiple programs to help students who have problems, like specail ed or for troubled teens. I actually went on one these troubled youth programs. I never had any learning problems in school, in fact i was always so much ahead in classes that i got bored and started to get in to problems and skipping A LOT.. But when they finally managed to get me in to this special class, i've never enjoyed school that much.. I did two years of math in half a year and got free choice of what to do instead of math.. I either got a free hour or i picked up another subject like literacy and the best part of it was that i choosed what to do..

Discipline is there, you got many levels of it. Mostly it's handled in conjunction with parents. Detention, personal tutoring or changing to a smaller group, workshops where you can fix bikes and learn sciences with more hands on approaches etc. Mostly it's not a punishment as such but personalized programs to tailored to fit for the needs. Expulsions are very rare, in my school years i heard of two incidences and both were changed to smaller group where they both stopped skipping school in two weeks time. Those smaller groups consists of one teacher per 5 students or even less..

No sport teams are provided by schools, they are handled by sport teams junior programs. There is of course 1-2 hour classes per week for sports but it's more to do with learning to enjoy excercise than competing.

No uniforms or mandatory dressing codes. There is the basic decency expected when it comes to dressing and one peculiar code is that you are not allowed to wear a hat in class... Those baseball caps can hide your eyes... I know, it's a bit strange..

Field trips: yes, there are both provided by the school and then longer ones where the students do bake sales etc to gather money and those are voluntary.

Music is a subject and schools can provide the means to do them more in your own free time. The bands are not a part of schools but usually every city has one or to schools that concentrate more for those programs. It means a few extra hours but provide a good base for secondary musical education institutes where you can enroll at young age. Those institutions are publicly funded too and work in conjuction with all levels schools and they continue seamlessly to provide education for music teachers and professionals up to master degrees. You can go to those schools when you're grown up too and they have a tuitions, in the range of 100-200€ per class. So once again, money is not a hurdle for education.

It's been a years when i was in basic school, i graduated in 1989 and went to secondary school in 1991. That was about the time when the education reform was moving to that state too so i had to mixed field of teachers. Some were not up to job and some were just wonderful personalities. Now adays it's up to standards too and in fact, i'm enrolling in one next fall to finish up my graduation..

The downside of Finnish system is that you can not even get a job as a cleaner without finishing some sort of courses for it.. So even for basic shitty jobs you need a basic education in that field... But since those are basically free of charge (some require a 100-200€ fee, not a problem...) everyone has a chance. Also when you get a better job the companies often provide the follow-up studies that fit to that job description. The cost of those are divided by the goverment and the companies.

>> ^Porksandwich:


Like I've always felt in the US that the sports programs and all the cost associated with them plus the competition they spawn within the student body and against other schools is not beneficial. Basically you end up with a small group of players who get the school to bend over backwards to make things possible for them and everyone else loses out on it, in fact they often have to pay for tickets to even see the events their parents tax dollars make possible.


I agree.
We've made our school system (including college) a farm team for the NBA, NFL.

Does Finland schooling system provide anything but education and the facilities and meals related to keeping a large group of people for hours on end?

Do they do tutoring?

How do they handle discipline?

Do they offer sports teams and fields, etc as part of the school budget?

Uniforms?

Field trips?

Music/band?

Im hoping to hear from @CreamK on this.

Like I've always felt in the US that the sports programs and all the cost associated with them plus the competition they spawn within the student body and against other schools is not beneficial. Basically you end up with a small group of players who get the school to bend over backwards to make things possible for them and everyone else loses out on it, in fact they often have to pay for tickets to even see the events their parents tax dollars make possible.

This is a question of philosophy. The inheritees on the right are TERRIFIED of having their kids up against a huge load of educated peers. The entire notion of elite private schools is so you KNOW who will be running your country in 50 years (and it's someone you know/are related to/owes you something).

In Britain 90% of judges come from 2 schools. The current government (PM, Chancellor, Mayor of London, heads of banks) were in a club together at the age of 20 for obscenely rich 5th+ generation inheritees, where they would have a luxury dinner then smash the restaurant up and drop a few thousand for the peasants to clean up after them.

While a state is in the grip of true evil like that, all you can hope for is screaming obfuscation from right wing mouthpieces like the Fox mercenaries, half the Senate and our very own QM, and nothing *NOTHING* will change.


>> ^Trancecoach:

The educational system in this country is in dire need of revision. Corruption and antebellum notions from an industrial era has turned public school into nothing short of a clusterfuck.

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In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
*quality *doublepromote

At the risk of stating the obvious, all policy is political. Educational policy is no exception. Finland's choice to do away with private schools and competition was a political decision and there is nothing wrong with that, especially considering that it ended up being a wildly successful political decision. Our own US educational policy, which seems to be guided by competative free market politics is failing miserably. Goodness forbid we try something that works for a change. >> ^GeeSussFreeK:

This has much less to do with education systems and much more do to with how one teaches. I support this type of education for many youth. To make this about politics and not educational practices is a great disservice to what they have accomplished. This mode of discovery based teaching could be executed in a system of public and private schools, that isn't the issue at all. I throw in my support of discovery based teaching as a really great way let kids inspire themselves to learn. Imma vote for this even though I think Cenk is missing the point (this is why I hate politics, you can't see the trees for the forest at times)

>> ^GeeSussFreeK:

This has much less to do with education systems and much more do to with how one teaches. I support this type of education for many youth. To make this about politics and not educational practices is a great disservice to what they have accomplished. This mode of discovery based teaching could be executed in a system of public and private schools, that isn't the issue at all. I throw in my support of discovery based teaching as a really great way let kids inspire themselves to learn. Imma vote for this even though I think Cenk is missing the point (this is why I hate politics, you can't see the trees for the forest at times)


I hear what you're saying, but politics and education are too closely linked to act like it's just about private and public schools. It's about not understanding the value of education in the first place, and therefore demanding immediate quantifiable results to prove it's value. As if the world we live in isn't proof enough.

>> ^quantumushroom:

Why are these two smirking and proud?
Liberals run the show in US government schools, and conservative politicians are complicit, though without them the socialists would have already gone further.
Read all about it in this free-to-download e-book
The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America


Made it to paragraph three:

"If a child can read, write and compute at a reasonably proficient level, he will be able to do just about anything he wishes, enabling him to control his destiny to the extent that God allows (remain free)."

>> ^GeeSussFreeK:

This has much less to do with education systems and much more do to with how one teaches. I support this type of education for many youth. To make this about politics and not educational practices is a great disservice to what they have accomplished. This mode of discovery based teaching could be executed in a system of public and private schools, that isn't the issue at all. I throw in my support of discovery based teaching as a really great way let kids inspire themselves to learn. Imma vote for this even though I think Cenk is missing the point (this is why I hate politics, you can't see the trees for the forest at times)


Thanks for the upvote, but I strongly disagree.

How one teaches is directly controlled by the education system--which is directly controlled by politics (e.g. No Child Left Behind). The part of the plan which makes all schools equal is crucial to the success of the system. Instead of a few really great schools in the rich neighborhoods--and really shitty schools in all the poor neighborhoods--you get very good schooling for all the children. That--along with the amount of eduction needed to teach and a living wage for teachers--is completely controlled by politics.

If you focus too closely on one tree you'll miss the entire forest.

>> ^RedSky:

Link was wrong:
http://www.theatlantic.c
om/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/


YouTube truncates long url's.
Fixed now.
Thanks.