Hmm, maybe you're the demon!>> ^shinyblurry:

It's hard to say..they may or may not be saved. I believe the spirit of God dwells in all Christians but Catholics do a lot of things antithetical to the bible. Anyone calling upon the name of God has a good chance against a demon, but it could just be a denomic deception as well..making it seem like they have power over Satan when they are in fact impotent.

Hey dude, you asked the question. I was just answering. Don't ask a question and then get all huffy when someone responds.

And another thing: You're the one who always goes on about how Catholics aren't REAL Christians. Well let me ask you this, if Catholics aren't real Christians, how can they perform a REAL exorcism?

She's totally faking it, I can tell. I've seen many fake exorcisms.

Your whole belabored explanation is basically saying she is acting..you can go on kidding yourself if you like, but that isn't acting. I know for a fact that this does happen, and is actually very common; I've witnessed it personally. You *have* to believe it isn't real, because if it was it would mean that everything you know is wrong. It's impossible for your ego to accept that, even when the evidence is right in front of you.


>> ^Ryjkyj:
>> ^shinyblurry:
Lies? Does that girl seem like she's acting to you? Why would someone start screaming bloody murder when they are doused with Holy water, or start shouting about the antichrist? Give me a break..this is real.

Geez, where to start? There are so many reasons why someone doused with holy water would scream bloody murder. The first and foremost to my mind being that they want to convince someone that they've been possessed by the devil. But this reason is a little misleading, because there are so many reasons why someone would want to convince other people that they are possessed. Could it be that this girl is from a controlling family? Perhaps she's not doing that well at something in life (which could include thousands of reasons), and wants to convince people that she's not living up to their expectations because of a reason that is completely beyond her control?
Or maybe she did something bad and can't reconcile or forgive herself (there's another few thousand possibilities right there at least). Maybe she needs a reason to convince herself that she didn't actually do anything wrong so she's trying to blame it on a demon.
Perhaps it could be that people don't like it when other people tie them down and do things to them against their will. Even if it's something that's not usually a "big deal".
Could it be that all this is brought on because she actually believes that she's possessed by the devil? Well, I guess that could be one possibility out of millions. But if you look at the history of mental health treatment, you'll find that people convince themselves that all sorts of things are real. Some people even break out in rashes when they are told that they've been exposed to poison ivy. But just because they have a rash, doesn't mean that it's not entirely in their own mind.

>> ^shinyblurry:

Lies? Does that girl seem like she's acting to you? Why would someone start screaming bloody murder when they are doused with Holy water, or start shouting about the antichrist? Give me a break..this is real.


Geez, where to start? There are so many reasons why someone doused with holy water would scream bloody murder. The first and foremost to my mind being that they want to convince someone that they've been possessed by the devil. But this reason is a little misleading, because there are so many reasons why someone would want to convince other people that they are possessed. Could it be that this girl is from a controlling family? Perhaps she's not doing that well at something in life (which could include thousands of reasons), and wants to convince people that she's not living up to their expectations because of a reason that is completely beyond her control?

Or maybe she did something bad and can't reconcile or forgive herself (there's another few thousand possibilities right there at least). Maybe she needs a reason to convince herself that she didn't actually do anything wrong so she's trying to blame it on a demon.

Perhaps it could be that people don't like it when other people tie them down and do things to them against their will. Even if it's something that's not usually a "big deal".

Could it be that all this is brought on because she actually believes that she's possessed by the devil? Well, I guess that could be one possibility out of millions. But if you look at the history of mental health treatment, you'll find that people convince themselves that all sorts of things are real. Some people even break out in rashes when they are told that they've been exposed to poison ivy. But just because they have a rash, doesn't mean that it's not entirely in their own mind.

Maybe because she's been brain-washed by the religious idiots she's been raised by to believe that "When someone is possessed, and then doused in holy water, they should scream and carry on."

What a load of horse-shit *lies.

Hilarious *comedy though. >> ^shinyblurry:

Lies? Does that girl seem like she's acting to you? Why would someone start screaming bloody murder when they are doused with Holy water, or start shouting about the antichrist? Give me a break..this is real.

I'm going to wholly disagree with you here on the title of this video. BADLY loses the debate?
Which questions are insufficiently answered?

If anything, I'll agree he should have avoided any long-windedness in his explanations because of the strange time constraints. 6 minutes of rapid fire questions? The structure itself lends it to the ideologues like yourself who can simply throw out arguments without a shred of proof. "Jesus performed exorcisms!" in 3 seconds of speaking where as any argument against that takes substantially more time because of all the underlying claims.

How could Hitch have improved his arguments (again not to say he even lost the debate) take the "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" for example. It's nothing more than saying "Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there"

To which I'd say, "It doesn't mean it IS there either." There are logical quips to this nonsense that theists purport, but reasoned, well thought out, researched, and correct responses usually don't come in fortune cookie form as theists would prefer.

The BIBLE!!! TOO LONG DID NOT READ!!! http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/09/28/survey-atheists-know-more-about-religion-than-believers/

You should pick up some of the later stuff. Some of those graphic novels are awesome. I like "the gift", "all his engines", "pandemonium", and "hard time".

>> ^ponceleon:
Actually, I disagree with Budzos... I enjoyed the movie a lot more than the comic. I found the comics very hokey and disjointed in comparison, whereas the movie really encapsulated what I would LOVE religion to be. To me Catholicism is empty just because it has claims to relics, spells, and traditions which are ineffective in our world but pretend to be powerful in the way they are presented in this movie.
Religion would kick ass if it was based on a reality like this... I'm not sure how else to say it, but religion (and Catholicism specifically) is like people playing a childish game in which they are trying to imagine a world like this movie portrays.
To get more specific, I liked the explanations and backgrounds of the characters much better in the movie than in the comics. The comic has John Constantine being an ex glam-rocker who is slightly psychic/mystic and who's "damnation" doesn't come from an attempted suicide as in the movie, but rather a botched exorcism which is just kinda stupid. The whole suicide thing is really well done in the reimagining in the movie and makes a lot more sense.
Papa midnight is another character which is vastly improved in the movie. In the book, he seems more like a reject from Live and Let Die, a blaxploitation stereotype, whereas in the movie they really brought home the idea of someone that lives between two allegiances.
As for the use of "guns" and other 007ny stuff, I really thought it worked a lot better than the way they present him in the books. Frankly I'd rather have Constantine wielding a holy shotgun with blessed bullets than looking for a tape of his music video in his trashy apartment.
I'll admit that I only got through three of the graphic novels before I stopped, but I just feel that the changes made to Constantine's development improve vastly over what I saw in the books. As for making him American, I hate Keanu in most of his performances and I thought he really brought it for this one. I was pleasantly surprised and this movie remains one of my all-time favs.

This looks horrible... Just from the trailer I can see that this movie lacks pacing, a believable female lead, a good OST, a Michael-Bay-exorcism...

If this stuff is true, it really brings validity to shamanism, witch doctors, and even — dare I say — christian exorcisms and evangelical healing rituals. And as far as the placebo effect goes, it's not science that makes a good placebo, but a good salesman.

Religion makes such great fantasy/sci-fi entertainment.

Though just think. A lot of dweebs out there actually think demons -really- exist. The Vatican even teaches a course on exorcism. Why does it scare so many people? Because they believe this shit is for real.

What makes it more funny.. I'm pretty sure that actor is into Scientology. Another kook space alien cult.

You bet he also believes that witchcraft is real and everyone should know proper exorcism technique.

>> ^alizarin:
That will mess that kid up and they should be charged with child abuse or assault.

He's gay, not a retarded 2 year old...

>> ^MrFisk:
New Motto: Jesus gets the fag out.


yet another reason why i want to have mr fisk's babies.

>> ^Crosswords:
Quick someone call a priest!! And better make sure it's a level 80. Also,anyone doubting the link between humans and apes needs to watch this video.


Actually paladins get exorcism, much better choice.