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How to screw with the NSA. Which way is better? (User Poll by albrite30)

Oliver Stone on NSA Spying

ChaosEngine says...

All the more reason for everyone to complain to their relevant representative.

Meanwhile if you are in the USA, you can sign this
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pardon-edward-snowden/Dp03vGYD

ghark said:

Aye same, and even for those that do have one, asking a representative to stop surveillance on Americans domestically is not going to change anything anyway, as it's been shown that the American, British, German and French (etc) intelligence agencies just share information between each other - so if they have to stop spying on their own citizens due to some new law, they'll just continue to get data on their own citizens from other countries agencies.

Bill Burr - Equality for Women

xxovercastxx says...

Second Mate Charles Lightoller: "Hadn't we better get the women and children into the boats, sir?"
Captain Edward Smith: "Women and children in and lower away."

So, in a way, you're right, because a lot of the crew did not interpret this order as "women and children first", they interpreted it as "women and children only". That's why many lifeboats were launched with empty seats and why 74% of the women passengers survived, but only 20% of the men.

Kofi said:

Women and children first was and never has been. This means that it was not the case on the Titanic.

Conscription on the other hand ....

alien_concept (Member Profile)

Candidate Obama vs President Obama on Government Surveillanc

dag (Member Profile)

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Democracy Now! - "A Massive Surveillance State" Exposed

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NSA (PRISM) Whistleblower Edward Snowden w/ Glenn Greenwald

Yogi says...

This guy is definitely smarter than Manning, because he took extraordinary steps to get away. Even if he's on the run he's in better shape than Manning who suffers greatly. We should make it a requirement that the next president who wants our vote must pardon Manning.

I don't like Assange, he's such a cunt and you can see that with his personal relationships. He has of course done something important and he shouldn't be put in jail for what he did, but I feel that some of the people from Wikileaks should get more credit than they did. What might be happening though is that Assange has decided to play the martyr, and keep everyone off his former colleagues. Whether that was done selfishly or selflessly I think it was a good thing. And certainly what he did was very important, this is just my personal opinion of him.

I worry about this Edward guy though but I think it was very smart of him to go public with his identity. Now everyone can put a face to the man who the NSA and the CIA will be either hunting or trying to discredit. It severely ties their hands in the PR department.

dag said:

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The people at the NSA are not evil - I'm sure they feel righteously justified working to keep Americans safe. But - what they are - is wrong. Overstepping and taking power, usurping the constitution in their work. I agree with Edward that this kind of power eventually corrupts and leads to a totalitarian state - even with the best of intentions

This guy, Edward Snowden is another smart guy, and another patriot - just like Bradley Manning and Julian Assange. They're out there and they're sacrificing for all of us. I'm thankful that they are.

NSA (PRISM) Whistleblower Edward Snowden w/ Glenn Greenwald

dag says...

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

The people at the NSA are not evil - I'm sure they feel righteously justified working to keep Americans safe. But - what they are - is wrong. Overstepping and taking power, usurping the constitution in their work. I agree with Edward that this kind of power eventually corrupts and leads to a totalitarian state - even with the best of intentions

This guy, Edward Snowden is another smart guy, and another patriot - just like Bradley Manning and Julian Assange. They're out there and they're sacrificing for all of us. I'm thankful that they are.

artician said:

It's such a frustrating mess. Despite most of these elements manifesting in the government almost a century ago, it's like we went full-1984 overnight.

What the shit makes governments so god damn evil at their core? Always! Why?

bi polar-psychology of being

enoch says...

@gwiz665
this doesnt even fit into any definition of religion.
how you extrapolated religion from this video is a stretch of logic.
disagree with premise? thats fine.
calling it religion? not a chance.i dont see any dogmatic approach based on doctrine.do you?

which brings me to @Engels commentary.
this video proposes an alternative way of dealing with bi-polar.this alternative has been proven to work in some cases.
does this mean that we should dump modern psychology?
well this video does not make that assertion.

it simply offers an alternative way of dealing with people in crisis.
who are you to judge the validity or success of something that may work for some people?

or has psychology answered all the questions pertaining to consciousness and i just missed the memo?

i understand your skepticism concerning methods such as represented in this video but as @eric3579 suggested.if you have never experienced:depression,mania,psychotic episodes then you are already at a disadvantage in your understanding.

medication is not the end-all be-all of answers.sometimes compassion,understanding and empathy are far better fascilitators in helping a person overcome episodes of depression or mania.

when we consider just how prevalent diagnosis and medication have become:
http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.0030185

we should all stand up and take notice.
or do you feel the 1 in 5 numbers are correct?
that even pre-teens can be bipolar?
and if so.could you please tell me the conclusive test a psychologist uses to determine if someone is bipolar?

i am in no way by my commentary dismissing the exceptional works psychology has brought to the human table.i am just saying that it is still a work in progress and the field of psychology has not answered every question.

on a side note.freud along with his nephew edward bernaise helped create mass marketing and propaganda systems.
so....yeah.fuck freud.

NSA (PRISM) Whistleblower Edward Snowden w/ Glenn Greenwald

Can I piss on you?’: Ed Asner gets the upper hand

direpickle says...

I used the 2012 budget (~$3.8T, look it up wherever), the most recent figures for total income and total taxes paid of the top 1% (which are from 2010) from the Tax Foundation, which are $1.52T and $350B, respectively, so I did a little rounding. So you can adjust my $1.2T to $1.15T, if you want.

The top 1% in wealth owned 34% of the US's total wealth, in 2007, according to Wikipedia citing a Forbes article citing this article which cites this paper by Edward Wolff of NYU. The 2010 numbers cited are 35%, but I rounded down to 30% to be safe. Then I just looked up the total US household wealth--which is harder to do than you might expect.

Wikipedia reports ~$54T for the total US household *and non-profit* wealth in 2009 (Graph), which gets its data from the Federal Reserve. If you go to p. 104 of the 2011 document, you can see that this went up to $60T. I don't know how much of that is non-profits and how much is households, so I looked at the Census data.

Unfortunately the most recent is from 2007, which is pre-crash but which gives the mean household wealth as $556k. There were about 110M households in 2007, so that gives us about $61T total--but this was pre-crash. So we can kinda compare with the Wikipedia chart and see that in 2007 the total household+nonprofit wealth was $66T. So let's just assume ~$5T is nonprofits, so households had around $50T in 2009 and maybe closer to $55T in 2011, give or take. 30% of $50T is $15T. I had made slightly higher estimates before to get my $16T (didn't see the 'nonprofit' thing there).

So all told, the data's from the census and the Fed, and I'm kinda rounding down everywhere I can. I did some extrapolating here and there because I can't find a consistent data set from any year after 2007, and it wouldn't be fair to your side of the argument to use 2007's numbers. If you can find better data or if there's something egregiously wrong, please correct me.

Maddow is TICKED OFF -- Jerome Corsi and Libya

quantumushroom says...

Unless Darken is signing my paycheck, I answer however I damned well please. And my side business selling straw men, well, I didn't build that, Obama did.

Many on that list are Obama 'accomplishments' only for leftists.


Ears didn't end anything in Iraq, it was already happening when he took office.

He had nothing to do with Moammar and would support whoever came out on top.

The stimulus, particularly the bank bailouts, did nothing except put us in greater debt.

The Chevy Volt is a failure.

Government takeover of healthcare?...I only wish ALL the new taxes Obamacare will hit us with would happen at once, so the oblivious can experience the rotten deal and betrayal of Constitution.

FDA regulating tobacco? Another step backwards from ending Drug Prohibition.

The two UNqualified affirmative action judges added to Supreme Court.

Billions lost to green jobs scams/putting the kibosh on the Keystone pipeline.

...and so forth.

Obama running on his record? Go right ahead. It's why he's where he's at today.


>> ^VoodooV:

>> ^quantumushroom:
An "enraged" Maddow doesn't bother me in the slightest, nor is her blather worth commenting on.
It's just nice to see the left dick-punched with their own tactics, the righty version of lib lies like "trickle-down" and "tax cuts for the rich" (and calling everyone a racist).
You all think Obama has a record worth running on? Let him know. Cause even he don't believe it.
"Economist Edward Lazear has cut through all of Barack Obama's claims about "creating jobs" with one plain and inescapable fact — "there hasn't been one day during the entire Obama presidency when as many Americans were working as on the day President Bush left office." Whatever number of jobs were created during the Obama administration, more have been lost."
>> ^DarkenRahl:
Do you EVER respond to the actual video and/or discussion? You must have a side business selling straw men.
>> ^quantumushroom:
The FORMER big three networks were all liberally-biased for decades (and are still in denial about it).
It's a miracle there are as many righties as there are, with leftists controlling government schools and hollywood.
The internet has saved this nation from the former "fourth estate" who betrayed and murdered real journalism to stump for taxocrats.
There's something wrong when FOX holds one point of view but ALL THE OTHER networks parrot the same line of socialist claptrap.
Oh, I almost forgot. Man-made global warming--or even plain global warming, continues to be a sham.
And fk castro.
THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE RIGHT HAS SPOKEN!



So the answer to @DarkenRahl 's question is...no.
It cracks me up that the right thinks Obama isn't or can't run on his record. He's been running on his record since day one. The right continues to pretend to live in an alternate universe. I know you listen to fox news and they're demonstrably mis-informing people on a regular basis, but you've either missed or willfully ignored his many accomplishments
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/ma
gazine/march_april_2012/features/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php

Maddow is TICKED OFF -- Jerome Corsi and Libya

VoodooV says...

>> ^quantumushroom:

An "enraged" Maddow doesn't bother me in the slightest, nor is her blather worth commenting on.
It's just nice to see the left dick-punched with their own tactics, the righty version of lib lies like "trickle-down" and "tax cuts for the rich" (and calling everyone a racist).
You all think Obama has a record worth running on? Let him know. Cause even he don't believe it.
"Economist Edward Lazear has cut through all of Barack Obama's claims about "creating jobs" with one plain and inescapable fact — "there hasn't been one day during the entire Obama presidency when as many Americans were working as on the day President Bush left office." Whatever number of jobs were created during the Obama administration, more have been lost."
>> ^DarkenRahl:
Do you EVER respond to the actual video and/or discussion? You must have a side business selling straw men.
>> ^quantumushroom:
The FORMER big three networks were all liberally-biased for decades (and are still in denial about it).
It's a miracle there are as many righties as there are, with leftists controlling government schools and hollywood.
The internet has saved this nation from the former "fourth estate" who betrayed and murdered real journalism to stump for taxocrats.
There's something wrong when FOX holds one point of view but ALL THE OTHER networks parrot the same line of socialist claptrap.
Oh, I almost forgot. Man-made global warming--or even plain global warming, continues to be a sham.
And fk castro.
THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE RIGHT HAS SPOKEN!




So the answer to @DarkenRahl 's question is...no.

It cracks me up that the right thinks Obama isn't or can't run on his record. He's been running on his record since day one. The right continues to pretend to live in an alternate universe. I know you listen to fox news and they're demonstrably mis-informing people on a regular basis, but you've either missed or willfully ignored his many accomplishments

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php



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