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I was pulled inside by a neighbor when i was a kid, not molested mind you, but when I told my dad he went to the guy's house, rung on the doorbell and punched him in the nose. Just sayin.

"Doorbell Song" is so May 17th.

Don't live in the past man. Now everyone's listening to "Doorbell Song".

You're all such posers for liking it now.

Dammit. Now I have the Doorbell song stuck in my head.

Well, I'll point to one example. When they went after Scientology I was quite surprised of the organization and setup. In multiple cities in the U.S. and in International places (mostly NATO countries) like London. They got hundreds in some locations and thousands of people/protesters to show up and protest Scientology's right to be a religion (as they're considered one in the U.S--not sure where they are, out of country of course). Usually, their Constitutional right to be a religion, would be something I would fight for, but they have crossed the line more than enough times that they seem like fair game to me. Hell, we had atleast a couple of hundred, maybe even one thousand, protesting the church in Utah of all places! Utah is far off from any of their headquarters or any major "church", installation, and "health" centers.

(Off-topic Sidenote: The Mormon or LDS church also crossed the line with Proposition 8 in California--I've seen the LDS church get involved in other political affairs, but only to the same extent all churches in this country do--block voting is ridiculous and should almost cause your vote to be counted as less-as you're actively using religion as a political pulpit and then voting from that; if a connection could be made I'd think those votes should be countermanded as well as the religion's tax exemption status--especially when you have meetings, literally, before a vote. Mormons do this, I'VE BEEN to them!)

The fact that Anonymous can pull that off over night means a great deal. They're most defiantly not weekend warriors in their mother's basement (although I'm sure there are plenty like that). They must have quite a few people that are highly trained in a wide range of topics as they've gone after many targets; easily separating, for the majority of Anonymous, what's an incorrect target and what deserves their attention. To me this means you can't write them off in any fashion; as they may have "Ivory Tower" support, due to their targets and being able to seem "right" and "innocuous" at every turn--people cheer them on.

If I had to pick, I would wager that Anonymous can and does affect more changes socially than al-Qaeda; al-Qaeda has a poor societal impact except the desperate or those that have nothing to lose--only if it used like-wise tactics, which they won't (likewise tactics meaning: terrorism, like 9-11). Their methodology is *flashy*, so every media outlet focuses their news-time and airtime on them. If Anonymous did these infamous type of events except against an U.S. enemy, would they have the same "deeply rooted" infamy/notoriety in American society? I'd say yes.

Outside the U.S. they may have that attribution (good doers/fighting evil or infamous) already in certain places. Right now, Americans are more concerned if their McMansion will be a viable end solution or if it's another "living beyond your means", moment.

I do agree with you that Anonymous must be worried about their banner being lifted by the wrong person. But, as their is no leader in Anonymous it will lead to inter-anon wars; we've seen a few, but most have ended blindingly fast. You almost never hear about it unless you dig around (and even then you find out it's a year old).

I'm just trying to remind people that if Anonymous whimsically can get Colbert to wear the mask in solidarity and can gets thousands of protesters to show up at your doorbell overnight (with same mask ), they may have power that I doubt they've even tapped into yet.

Plus, I do think China or any country willing to stand toe to toe with the U.S. would be grateful to have a voracious enemy of the U.S. on their side (yes, I agree that China would be bad; I also doubt that they would choose it--maybe more like Russia). Especially, if it ends up being one that knows the U.S. fairly well. Secondly, as before, taking random people off the street in Anonymous's name would only feed the machine. We have yet to see what happens if Anonymous, itself, is attacked. It's always been a side attack due to another on going event. The rules might change for both sides if it became a "war" (how they target and what is targeted, then how does the information become presentable). Yes, the U.S. could cut-off the Internet, but I think we've learned enough that THAT may be a grander problem for the U.S. than what it originally had (it's happened everywhere else; citizens revolting).

Yes, Anonymous "may" be getting too much credit, but since their anonymous... They might loose badly even in a straight up information war. But, none of this has happened yet or been tested... I agree with the majority of what you're saying @Yogi . I'm just reminding people that underestimation of your enemy (do we, as Americans, really want Anonymous as an enemy? The Colbert show seems to show the opposite...)

Get rid of one person and another falls in to place, and the hacks they do can be taught ridiculously fast. The other side requires *tax payers'* money or private contractors (using *tax payers'* money, or someone like Dick Cheney who has Halliburton), all of which seem shady as what they do is kill other Americans, arrest other Americans, kill NATO citizens or extradite NATO citizens, and heaven forbid: use black-ops for non-Western countries (Anonymous has enough foresight to get clear confirmation of any event and spread it virally; like a video).

If these guys lose one person it takes quite a bit of time to replace--even if they become misaligned with the publics' view, like the guy in Colbert's piece. Everyone will question his motives now except for the complete utter sheep with no in-the-know friends (to explain what Anonymous is doing).

All I'm trying to say is that in an age of information the U.S. may find themselves on equal footing in a war they'd have to start. The U.S. tries a physical response it will be posted in full glorious detail on the net with redundancy ad nauseum (one well placed real-time camera or auto-upload camera and it becomes a nightmare). The U.S. employs thousands of people that can barely log into their e-mail account(s)--these people are also responsible for enacting physical responses. Imagine an Anonymous that hacks, but keeps the game running. Key loggers, viruses, worms, trojans, hardware hacks, software hacks, people IN the government in on it...? Anonymous has always pulled their stunt quickly and shown everyone the ramifications; don't you think a prolonged version would be highly dangerous for both sides?

Again this assumes a lot about Anonymous just from what I've seen them accomplish in the past. They are most defiantly not some sort of elite commando force. What they lack is simply made up in their ability to manipulate data; which is HUGE in this day and age... Anyway that's long enough; respond to the areas you think need to be toned downed or clarified upon.

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No man, it's always good to point out the technicalities as well as the philosophy of the issue at hand. That is a good (or am I supposed to use bad) example you gave there. It is always good to run to the logical limits of the laws you do or don't lay out. In your example, it empowers citizens to police themselves. Problem with that is that we are seldom a good judge of things that directly concern us. We tend to favor our own judgments at the expense of others. Only few can be completely impartial when pressed with issues like these. As such, I think it is a better position, philosophically, to leave such matters that concern rights and due process with "outsiders", in this case, police. Holding someone in your house is essentially imprisonment. Catching someone in the act is one thing, catching up with someone and holding them to find out if they were part of the act is a completely different thing. What if one person was just ringing the doorbell and some other hostel person was knocking at the back, completely unrelated? It takes an impartial investigation to find that out, and a man running around in his underwear with a frying pan isn't that man (Not that he did this, I just like the visual).

>> ^NordlichReiter:

If they ran then he has no right to arrest them. He's not a peace officer.
The law is, you can keep people out, but you can't keep them in. Unless you are a peace officer and you are arresting them.


Ya, last I checked ringing someones doorbell and not being there isn't a crime. He made a foolish mistake, in context though, I would hope the DA drops the charges.

Well good cops make bad, uninteresting videos. Just because you've had a few good cops doesn't mean they're all good.

But I agree, for the most part they are good and most of the trouble comes when it is their job to enforce the laws of a flawed system. People get angry at the messenger because it's the personification of a big, scary, confusing institution that nobody really trusts.>> ^Stormsinger:

It's funny, but I've had a lot of dealings with cops over the years, both when I was in trouble, and when I needed help. And not once have I ever had a cop treat me badly. Maybe I just happened to live in (or visit) the one...no, two...no, three places left where cops are still the good guys...or maybe it's all about attitude. In many cases, you get back just what you give out.
If you want to be an ass, or play rules-lawyer to a cop, I personally would expect him to be somewhat less than pleasant in return. That's just human nature.
>> ^NordlichReiter:
It's all work until someone doesn't go home, because they were stupid.
Stormsinger, they were not knocking on the door. They were banging on the door with, what sounded like a baton. When someone bangs on the door to my house, not using the doorbell, I generally feel as through something is wrong. The covenant on my house states I only need to answer the door when someone rings the doorbell.
The last time I opened the door for a Police officer, not Sheriff, I stated clearly; "What's the nature of your business here?" I called the cops to talk about a suspicious vehicle parked near the intersection, and I still asked her that way. This cop was wearing her tactical vest, tazer, extra magazine pouches, leg holstered side arm. Did I mention she was left handed? That is not something you see every day. In-fact she looked like a QRU officer, which is called a quick response unit; very popular after the bank robbery in LA.
Moral of the story is, you should always tape or record any conversation you have with a police officer. Know your states laws. Always inform he officer that they are being video and or voice recorded for legal purposes.
Alas, if you have a warrant for your arrest do not skip out on it. That will cause the people who support you more trouble then they need.

So, This lady has a poor attitude towards the police?
If she just would have put her hands up and shut up then this whole thing would have been more pleasant? The cops would have been nicer, hell, they probably would stand around making jokes, cause they are just great guys , as long as you do what the fuck your told.
There is nothing cops hate more than somone who knows their rights, 'cept maybe someone who wants to be treated with respect even though they don't posess a badge.
All joking aside, There is nothing wrong with knowing youur rights, and expecting those rights to be upheld, especialy by those sworn to uphold them.
>> ^Stormsinger:
It's funny, but I've had a lot of dealings with cops over the years, both when I was in trouble, and when I needed help. And not once have I ever had a cop treat me badly. Maybe I just happened to live in (or visit) the one...no, two...no, three places left where cops are still the good guys...or maybe it's all about attitude. In many cases, you get back just what you give out.
If you want to be an ass, or play rules-lawyer to a cop, I personally would expect him to be somewhat less than pleasant in return. That's just human nature.
>> ^NordlichReiter:
It's all work until someone doesn't go home, because they were stupid.
Stormsinger, they were not knocking on the door. They were banging on the door with, what sounded like a baton. When someone bangs on the door to my house, not using the doorbell, I generally feel as through something is wrong. The covenant on my house states I only need to answer the door when someone rings the doorbell.
The last time I opened the door for a Police officer, not Sheriff, I stated clearly; "What's the nature of your business here?" I called the cops to talk about a suspicious vehicle parked near the intersection, and I still asked her that way. This cop was wearing her tactical vest, tazer, extra magazine pouches, leg holstered side arm. Did I mention she was left handed? That is not something you see every day. In-fact she looked like a QRU officer, which is called a quick response unit; very popular after the bank robbery in LA.
Moral of the story is, you should always tape or record any conversation you have with a police officer. Know your states laws. Always inform he officer that they are being video and or voice recorded for legal purposes.
Alas, if you have a warrant for your arrest do not skip out on it. That will cause the people who support you more trouble then they need.

It's funny, but I've had a lot of dealings with cops over the years, both when I was in trouble, and when I needed help. And not once have I ever had a cop treat me badly. Maybe I just happened to live in (or visit) the one...no, two...no, three places left where cops are still the good guys...or maybe it's all about attitude. In many cases, you get back just what you give out.

If you want to be an ass, or play rules-lawyer to a cop, I personally would expect him to be somewhat less than pleasant in return. That's just human nature.
>> ^NordlichReiter:

It's all work until someone doesn't go home, because they were stupid.
Stormsinger, they were not knocking on the door. They were banging on the door with, what sounded like a baton. When someone bangs on the door to my house, not using the doorbell, I generally feel as through something is wrong. The covenant on my house states I only need to answer the door when someone rings the doorbell.
The last time I opened the door for a Police officer, not Sheriff, I stated clearly; "What's the nature of your business here?" I called the cops to talk about a suspicious vehicle parked near the intersection, and I still asked her that way. This cop was wearing her tactical vest, tazer, extra magazine pouches, leg holstered side arm. Did I mention she was left handed? That is not something you see every day. In-fact she looked like a QRU officer, which is called a quick response unit; very popular after the bank robbery in LA.
Moral of the story is, you should always tape or record any conversation you have with a police officer. Know your states laws. Always inform he officer that they are being video and or voice recorded for legal purposes.
Alas, if you have a warrant for your arrest do not skip out on it. That will cause the people who support you more trouble then they need.

It's all work until someone doesn't go home, because they were stupid.

Stormsinger, they were not knocking on the door. They were banging on the door with, what sounded like a baton. When someone bangs on the door to my house, not using the doorbell, I generally feel as through something is wrong. The covenant on my house states I only need to answer the door when someone rings the doorbell.

The last time I opened the door for a Police officer, not Sheriff, I stated clearly; "What's the nature of your business here?" I called the cops to talk about a suspicious vehicle parked near the intersection, and I still asked her that way. This cop was wearing her tactical vest, tazer, extra magazine pouches, leg holstered side arm. Did I mention she was left handed? That is not something you see every day. In-fact she looked like a QRU officer, which is called a quick response unit; very popular after the bank robbery in LA. Also known as QRT, quick response team.

Moral of the story is, you should always tape or record any conversation you have with a police officer. Know your states laws. Always inform he officer that they are being video and or voice recorded for legal purposes.

Alas, if you have a warrant for your arrest do not skip out on it. That will cause the people who support you more trouble then they need.

>> ^Stormsinger:

Something more than just "a bit off her rocker"...because the first thing I do when someone knocks on my door is grab a video camera. Something doesn't smell right, and not all the problems on are the side of the cops.
I did get a real kick out of the comments on the TV station's site. Virtually all of them were more or less illiterate. To judge by those, Kern county is a veritable hotbed of stupidity and ignorance, on -both- sides of this dispute.

I guess they had to edit out the doorbell sound.

>> ^cybrbeast:
Maybe if you just make one silent button which you rhythmically press instead of knocking.


Like a doorbell secret knock lock?

Or maybe go one step further and have several buttons labelled 0-9, which you press in order and ... oh wait.

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dingier than a doorbell store.