"saying humans are born with either a penis or vagina isn't a hateful statement against people."
It absolutely is hateful to hermaphrodites, clearly saying they aren't human. Use the qualifier "usually" or "almost always".

"As for gender being something different than sex, if you define it that way"
No, you said that. I'm saying all the physical attributes of gender are changeable besides the brain, and many humans with male gonads have female brains, and vice versa. Today, gonads can be surgically changed, so where is gender? I argue it's in the brain, which today can't be changed.
Gender is different from sexuality, clearly, no?
Edit: I guess I do think gender is different from "sex", if sex is determined solely by your gonads.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction
....as to who cares about gender....the bigoted bakers do. ;-)

We're talking perceived race, gender, sexuality, ethnic group, as identified by the discriminating individuals. They don't DNA scan or brain scan customers before serving (or denying) them, they react based on perception.

Skin color, that's totally changeable. Never heard of spray tans or bleach? Try watching Eddie Murphy's 'White like me'.

Odd you might argue against perception being the measure, since you seemed to argue that gays could be perceived as acceptably heterosexual by not acting on their uncontrollable urges and desires, bypassing the bigoted discrimination, essentially by lying.

Again it's about perceived ethnicity, not actual genetic heritage. Like you say, your actual heritage is unidentifiable by strangers, so less important to this discussion of public business discrimination.
If I want my wedding cake for me and Chris, and I wear my pink paisley silk shirt, leather chaps, choker, and heavy makeup to buy it that doesn't make me gay but the bigot baker would still deny me because he would assume I was.

I love her shitty choker and wrist bands, accompanied by pig tails and black make up...yet she has a lab coat on. Like her boss was like: "You can dress like a cry-baby goth, but you gotta wear a lab coat". Man these writers are so fucking out of touch with reality.

>> ^budzos:

Chick is wearing a choker. That means she's game.


I'm inclined to agree with that assessment.

Chick is wearing a choker. That means she's game. You can practically see the penises she's thinking about at the end of the clip.

the choker doesn't bother me, but i agree, she is less curvy and she looks like some 90's heroine and totally forgettable.

i'm not offended by her getting a little update, but she looks like a skinny depressed teenager. also, skinny jeans are stupid. women don't wear skinny jeans. and super heroes don't dress for fads.


i'm a tank girl kinda girl anyway, WW is a vixen heroine for boys, not for girls. sooo pffft.

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Wonder Woman looks fine as she is. The third one's by the same artist as the redesign, tell me she doesn't look ten times as awesome.

I don't know what it is with Jim Lee, does he actually do any work any more, or does he just creep around ruining iconic costumes? He even managed to screw up Invincible for about two years, just by doing one guest cover.

A 'modern sensibility' means drawing Wonder Woman as a 90s teenager? The jacket is retarded. The choker is retarded. She's somehow acquired new unique one-of-a-kind magic bracers. What about a pair of slacks says 'amazon princess'?

What it boils down to is, there is nothing unique or striking about that new costume. It will never produce a single iconic image.

I am on the internet, making an angry post about comic books.

1. I had a feeling nostalgia might be one reason. I guess I'm more of an iconoclast, but then I never have been really into comics in the first place.

2. Her old, scantily-clad outfit is certainly appealing to the eye, but it just seems less practical for crime fighting. Wouldn't her tits always be on the verge of popping out when the action got intense?

3. If she is less curvy, it ain't by much. Her boobs are still at least a D-cup, maybe even DD-cup. That counts as curves to me. I'll concede that her hips have slightly less curve, but not by much. IMO she hardly looks like an adolescent Teen Titan. She's all woman to me, brother.

4. I like the more sophisticated look. Like I said, it makes her look more like a real superhero and less like a bimbo walking around the Playboy mansion. But to each his own. (Though I'll admit, in this image she still looks pretty badass.) And a choker bothers you, but a tiara doesn't? Oh well, to each his own.

5. She still looks every bit like a symbol of feminist empowerment to me, actually even more so. As mentioned earlier, she looks more like a real superhero and less like this.

You may be right - they may change her back because of rabid fanboys. Still, I have to hand it to J. Michael Straczynski for being willing to try something new.

^I suppose there are a couple reasons. First, for nostalgia's sake. Second, I think there's something to be said about her scantily clad voluptuous figure in the knee-high hooker boots. Sexist?

Third, she's an Amazonian, and the new drawing of her is petite and less curvy. You can keep that figure for someone on the Teen Titans, because WW is a full figured woman.

Fourth, she looks too sophisticated. And she's wearing a jacket. And she's wearing leotards with stirrups. And a choker. A fucking choker.

Fifth, before WW most comic heroines were either sidekicks or girlfriends or damsels in distress. She entered the scene as a symbol of feminist power which shattered conventional thinking. The new character seems to be more interested in her Dolce & Gabbana fingerless gloves than shattering gender roles.

>> ^Kevlar:
It's not often you get to see a good First Person Goose Choker (FPGC) film. Kudos.
...And was anyone else reminded of the T-1000 chasing the car in Terminator 2?


Ha ha ha, totally.

Geese are horrible creatures. The only animal I really dislike. I had a long running battle with one bastard on a farm where i lived. every time i came in for work this fucker would start hissing and flapping at me. this got extremely irritating after a couple of weeks.

When Christmas came around I kept dropping hints about how cruelly christmas turkeys are treated... and how delicious geese are.

Still, the bastard was still going strong when i left.

It's not often you get to see a good First Person Goose Choker (FPGC) film. Kudos.

...And was anyone else reminded of the T-1000 chasing the car in Terminator 2?

Ah! Oh thank you, wise hoagie choker! Now, I must be off to spank the monkeys of VS...

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