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Sam Harris - Stem Cells and Morality

gluonium says...

Don't getchyer panties in a twist hon, no one's 'attacking the speaker'. Making unfounded claims of ad hominem attack by someone else are as bad as commiting an ad hominem itself. I'm merely pointing out the incongruity of his claim that we (rightly) should have just reason to believe in the things we do, while he also indulges in an apparent near belief of the potential of supernatural phenomena such as reincarnation. I am also entirely unconvinced that his response in the first video about mystical stuff was supposed to be facetious. He looked pretty earnest to me. Robert Carroll of the Skeptic's dictionary shares my concerns on the subject http://skepdic.com/news/newsletter74.html#3 .

22 basic logical fallacies (ie. what are logical fallacies?)

Memorare says...

What are logical fallacies?
They're whatever you Believe them to be.

'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.'
'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
-Through The Looking Glass by Lewis Carroll

Penn Jillette speaks of his atheism with Wolf Blitzer

Farhad2000 says...

Lambert has examined the religious affiliations and beliefs of the Founders. Some of the 1787 delegates had no affiliation. The others were Protestants except for three Roman Catholics, C. Carroll, D. Carroll, and Fitzsimons. Among the Protestants Constitutional Convention delegates, 28 were Episcopalian, 8 were Presbyterians, 7 were Congregationalists, 2 were Lutherans, 2 were Dutch Reformed, and 2 were Methodists. Many of the more prominent Founding Fathers were vocal about their opposition to organized religion or anti-clerical, such as Jefferson. Some of them often related their anti-organized church leanings in their speeches and correspondence, including George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson (who created the "Jefferson's Bible"), Benjamin Franklin, Ethan Allen, and Thomas Paine. However, a few of the more notable founders, such as Patrick Henry, were strong proponents of traditional religion. Several of the Founding Fathers considered themselves to be deists or held beliefs very similar to that of traditional Deists, including Jefferson, Paine and Ethan Allen.

Notwithstanding the spectrum of beliefs held by the Founding Fathers, most viewed religion in a favorable light. This is noted through their statements in speeches and correspondences in which they describe its role in molding "national morality" and securing the rule of law (George Washington), its check on human "wickedness" (Benjamin Franklin), and its preservation of a free government such as America (John Adams). Regardless, the division of church and state was always emphasized by the founding fathers. "The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion," states the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli. This document was ratified by Congress without much debate or contention and stands today as a reminder of the founding fathers' intentions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United_States#Religion

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Jim Carroll - People Who Died

Enzoblue says...

Sucks in Basketball Diaries that Leonardo DiCaprio got the lead. Jim Carroll was so ugly they blurred his face in this video and in the movie he's movie star gorgeous.

We need more ugly actors for da realism.

Penn & Teller - The Bible Myth

rickegee says...

And thus we are back to the last paragraph of my post farther up on the page. Money creates product which creates further ideas/ideals which creates more money. And then people fight.

It is very easy to view the pursuit of science as something pure and exceptional, but in the end, it is still a product of confused but well-meaning bipeds (FN: paraphrasing some nice bits by choggie). I prefer to view it about as skeptically as I view Jesus. But not nearly as skeptically as I view Benny Hinn.

Rational people who are also religious: Richard Swinburne, Alvin Plantinga, William Alston, E.P. Sanders, Elaine Pagels,James Carroll, et al.

I will try to find some Swinburne for the Sift. YouTube may or may not have him, but he is just great.



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