Someone who believes homosexuality is wrong is ignorant in the formal sense of the word: lacking in knowledge and experience. Hate is very often paired with ignorance (often times fueled by it), but I believe it is possible to be ignorant without being hateful.

The way you write about gay people and other minorities gives the impression that you have some hate issues. I also get the feeling that you are not very introspective, and are probably unaware of these issues. You likely were raised by extremely conservative people in an extremely conservative part of the country, and your prejudice issues have been internalized to a point that is beyond repair. This makes me sympathetic for you, actually. You know how you always complain about liberals blaming bad individual behavior on societal factors? You benefit greatly from this phenomena.

Either way - hate or ignorance - it's not something you should be proud of, and definitely not something you should admit to in an internet forum with a penchant for social justice.

An honest question deserves an honest answer. >> ^quantumushroom:

So it's not possible to believe homosexuality is wrong without being a "hater?"
Bullshit.

Being gay is a sin and you will burn in hell if you are gay.

In reply to this comment by Boise_Lib:
I illustrated the point that a person is born homosexual.
If homosexuality is wrong then obviously you have to believe it is a choice.
It's not. That is what I'm alluding to. I didn't say that that is what qm is alluding to.

You just said that it's a bad thing to be gay.
(you didn't--that's an example of putting words in someone else's mouth)

In reply to this comment by BoneRemake:
You are putting words into his mouth guy. That is not too hard to understand. What you said and what he said are two totally different things and yet you set it up as though that is what he is alluding to.

Maybe someone doesn't believe that you are born homosexual, you can not prove other wise, although that is off topic and I will not speculate where he/she is coming from. "you" can take a joke wrong but what you did was put words in someone else mouth.

In reply to this comment by Boise_Lib:
>> ^BoneRemake:

>> ^Boise_Lib:
>> ^quantumushroom:
So it's not possible to believe homosexuality is wrong without being a "hater?"
Bullshit.

So, it's wrong to be born homosexual?
Bullshit.

SO ITS WRONG TO MISCONSTREUDE WHAT SOMEONE SAYS ? BULLSHIT !!


What are you saying, BoneRemake?
I wouldn't what to misconstrue your words, so please elaborate.
(shouting doesn't help me understand)

You are putting words into his mouth guy. That is not too hard to understand. What you said and what he said are two totally different things and yet you set it up as though that is what he is alluding to.

Maybe someone doesn't believe that you are born homosexual, you can not prove other wise, although that is off topic and I will not speculate where he/she is coming from. "you" can take a joke wrong but what you did was put words in someone else mouth.



In reply to this comment by Boise_Lib:
>> ^BoneRemake:

>> ^Boise_Lib:
>> ^quantumushroom:
So it's not possible to believe homosexuality is wrong without being a "hater?"
Bullshit.

So, it's wrong to be born homosexual?
Bullshit.

SO ITS WRONG TO MISCONSTREUDE WHAT SOMEONE SAYS ? BULLSHIT !!


What are you saying, BoneRemake?
I wouldn't what to misconstrue your words, so please elaborate.
(shouting doesn't help me understand)

>> ^BoneRemake:

>> ^Boise_Lib:
>> ^quantumushroom:
So it's not possible to believe homosexuality is wrong without being a "hater?"
Bullshit.

So, it's wrong to be born homosexual?
Bullshit.

SO ITS WRONG TO MISCONSTREUDE WHAT SOMEONE SAYS ? BULLSHIT !!


What are you saying, @BoneRemake?
I wouldn't what to misconstrue your words, so please elaborate.
(shouting doesn't help me understand)

>> ^Boise_Lib:

>> ^quantumushroom:
So it's not possible to believe homosexuality is wrong without being a "hater?"
Bullshit.

So, it's wrong to be born homosexual?
Bullshit.


SO ITS WRONG TO MISCONSTREUDE WHAT SOMEONE SAYS ? BULLSHIT !!

>> ^quantumushroom:

So it's not possible to believe homosexuality is wrong without being a "hater?"
Bullshit.


So, it's wrong to be born homosexual?

Bullshit.

>> ^westy:

TYPICAL THING FOR A FAGGOT TO DO BRAIN WASH THERE CHILDREN WITH THE FAGOT AGENDA IF THEY LET JUSES INTO THERE HARTS THEY WOULD BE FREE OF THE EVIL GAY SPIRIT THAT POSSESS THEM.
PS..THE EARTH IS 6000 YEARS OLD


That actually made me laugh pretty good.

>> ^bareboards2:


The Sift also is fiercely proud of Americans' Everyone's right to free speech.

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

From years of interacting with Westy - I can tell you that this is definitely sarcastic parody - though he does live at the fringe of Poe's Law and without using the sarcasm box - it's hard to tell. It's also a troll. Sigh.>> ^bareboards2:

To new or casual visitors to the Sift --
This is not typical of the Sift. I don't know if this comment was meant to be a "joke" or not. There is a mechanism for marking a comment as "sarcasm" -- it wasn't utilized for this comment. So I don't know if this sifter Westy is "joking" or not.
The Sift has guidelines against egregiously offensive speech; it can lead to being banned from the site.
The Sift also is fiercely proud of Americans' right to free speech.
It puts folks like me in a quandary. I hate this comment, whether it is a "joke" or not. I believe in free speech.
I am posting my comment so that if you are new or a casual visitor, you will know that at least one person on the sift is appalled by this comment and doesn't know what to do. @dag.
What is weird is that this seems out of character for Westy. He's crusty and opinionated, not foul mouthed and ugly. It's almost as if someone has hacked into his account.

>> ^westy:
TYPICAL THING FOR A FAGGOT TO DO BRAIN WASH THERE CHILDREN WITH THE FAGOT AGENDA IF THEY LET JUSES INTO THERE HARTS THEY WOULD BE FREE OF THE EVIL GAY SPIRIT THAT POSSESS THEM.
PS..THE EARTH IS 6000 YEARS OLD

To new or casual visitors to the Sift --

This is not typical of the Sift. I don't know if this comment was meant to be a "joke" or not. There is a mechanism for marking a comment as "sarcasm" -- it wasn't utilized for this comment. So I don't know if this sifter Westy is "joking" or not.

The Sift has guidelines against egregiously offensive speech; it can lead to being banned from the site.

The Sift also is fiercely proud of Americans' everyone's right to free speech. (Thanks, Boise-lib)

It puts folks like me in a quandary. I hate this comment, whether it is a "joke" or not. I believe in free speech.

I am posting my comment so that if you are new or a casual visitor, you will know that at least one person on the sift is appalled by this comment and doesn't know what to do. @dag.

What is weird is that this seems out of character for Westy. He's crusty and opinionated, not foul mouthed and ugly. It's almost as if someone has hacked into his account.


>> ^westy:

TYPICAL THING FOR A FAGGOT TO DO BRAIN WASH THERE CHILDREN WITH THE FAGOT AGENDA IF THEY LET JUSES INTO THERE HARTS THEY WOULD BE FREE OF THE EVIL GAY SPIRIT THAT POSSESS THEM.
PS..THE EARTH IS 6000 YEARS OLD

Whether the kid wants to or not, or is "OK" with it, is beside the point. Using children to promote any type of movement or agenda is sickening. Leave that shit to the Michigan Militia or religious nut jobs like Westboro Baptist Church. Or those Toddlers & Tiaras monsters mothers.

And it's not about smothering the kids "new found morals" so much as it is about advertising them. They shot video of him and put it on the internet. That's using the child to promote your agenda. And that's gross negligence, imo.

I think that if they had made a video of this kid by himself, addressing Michelle Bachmann and saying what he has to say while looking directly at the camera, it would have been a lot more powerful than him looking all meek and mumbling to himself about something some adult most likely told him to say.

@ Bruti79 I hear what you're saying but when your parent is LGBT, people often treat you differently and just "being a child" is something you're rarely afforded. Michelle Bachmann just got a visit from reality and it is unfortunate that she had to be ambushed to see it. It's more unfortunate that this will undoubtedly galvanize her resolve to "save" this boy and other children like him. I'm just glad she has no shot at being the president.

I'm all for gay rights, I think Michelle Bachmann is a moron, and I think the parent of this kid just exploited her own son for her own agenda.

*promote to promote a discussion.

Weird how Bachmann draws away in ... what? And then is so sweet to the little kid.

I'm pretty uncomfortable with how uncomfortable the kid is....