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reln (Member Profile)
In response to your ill-informed comments: "If you want to argue that Israel is an apartheid nation then prove it by showing how it discriminates and racially segregates its OWN citizens."
It always annoys me when people say that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. Firstly, this is just factually wrong, for example Kuwait is a democracy. Secondly, democracy does not simply mean the rule of the majority. A democracy is also measured by the way the majority treat the minorities - how they protect minority rights.
Israel is well known for treating its Arab population as second class citizens. In fact during the recent invasion of Lebanon, the majority of people killed by Hezbollah rockets in northern Israel were Arabs who were not given access to bomb shelters. Assad Ghanem, senior lecturer in political science at Israel's Haifa University has argued that "This is not a democracy, it is an ethnocracy...We are not full citizens, this country is only for the Jews." Arab Israelis now make up 20 percent of Israel's six million-plus population, but until very recently there was not a single Arab minister (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6254691.stm). The appointment of the first Arab minister is an important step, and one which should be applauded - but the backlash from many areas of the Israeli public shows what a divisive issue this is in Israel.
Formally, Israeli law guarantees equality to Israeli Arabs, but in reality Israeli Arabs experience discrimination in many aspects of life. A report by an Israeli judge (Theodor Or) who wrote 'The Report by the State Commission of Inquiry into the Events of October 2000', stated that:
"The Arab citizens of Israel live in a reality in which they experience discrimination as Arabs. This inequality has been documented in a large number of professional surveys and studies, has been confirmed in court judgments and government resolutions, and has also found expression in reports by the state comptroller and in other official documents. Although the Jewish majority’s awareness of this discrimination is often quite low, it plays a central role in the sensibilities and attitudes of Arab citizens. This discrimination is widely accepted, both within the Arab sector and outside it, and by official assessments, as a chief cause of agitation." Furthermore, the Orr Commission of Inquiry's report stated that the "Government handling of the Arab sector has been primarily neglectful and discriminatory", that the Government "did not show sufficient sensitivity to the needs of the Arab population, and did not take enough action to allocate state resources in an equal manner." As a result, "serious distress prevailed in the Arab sector in various areas. Evidence of distress included poverty, unemployment, a shortage of land, serious problems in the education system, and substantially defective infrastructure.'"
The National Committee for the Heads of the Arab Local Authorities in Israel addressed the unequal treatment of Israeli Arabs in a document produced in December 2006. They argued that: "The Israeli legal system includes a number of core laws that produce and reinforce inequality between the Arabs and the Jews in Israel (de jure) ... The official bias is not restricted to symbols such as the Israeli flag, but also to deeper legal issues concerning all Palestinian Arabs ... [t]he official definition of Israel as a Jewish state created a fortified ideological barrier in the face of obtaining full equality for the Palestinian Arab citizens of Israel ... We, the Palestinians in Israel, are an integral part of this place ... Israel has tried over the past decades to disengage us from this place, not through physical transfer but through intellectual emotional transfer. Israel has tried to create a new identity on the basis of 'loyalty to the state' ... The State has not determined a position acceptable to us yet in terms of nurturing our Arab culture."
Jimmy Carter on Israel's apartheid policy & the Israel Lobby
In response to rein's ill-informed comments: "If you want to argue that Israel is an apartheid nation then prove it by showing how it discriminates and racially segregates its OWN citizens."
It always annoys me when people say that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. Firstly, this is just factually wrong, for example Kuwait is a democracy. Secondly, democracy does not simply mean the rule of the majority. A democracy is also measured by the way the majority treat the minorities - how they protect minority rights.
Israel is well known for treating its Arab population as second class citizens. In fact during the recent invasion of Lebanon, the majority of people killed by Hezbollah rockets in northern Israel were Arabs who were not given access to bomb shelters. Assad Ghanem, senior lecturer in political science at Israel's Haifa University has argued that "This is not a democracy, it is an ethnocracy...We are not full citizens, this country is only for the Jews." Arab Israelis now make up 20 percent of Israel's six million-plus population, but until very recently there was not a single Arab minister (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6254691.stm). The appointment of the first Arab minister is an important step, and one which should be applauded - but the backlash from many areas of the Israeli public shows what a divisive issue this is in Israel.
Formally, Israeli law guarantees equality to Israeli Arabs, but in reality Israeli Arabs experience discrimination in many aspects of life. A report by an Israeli judge (Theodor Or) who wrote 'The Report by the State Commission of Inquiry into the Events of October 2000', stated that:
"The Arab citizens of Israel live in a reality in which they experience discrimination as Arabs. This inequality has been documented in a large number of professional surveys and studies, has been confirmed in court judgments and government resolutions, and has also found expression in reports by the state comptroller and in other official documents. Although the Jewish majority’s awareness of this discrimination is often quite low, it plays a central role in the sensibilities and attitudes of Arab citizens. This discrimination is widely accepted, both within the Arab sector and outside it, and by official assessments, as a chief cause of agitation." Furthermore, the Orr Commission of Inquiry's report stated that the "Government handling of the Arab sector has been primarily neglectful and discriminatory", that the Government "did not show sufficient sensitivity to the needs of the Arab population, and did not take enough action to allocate state resources in an equal manner." As a result, "serious distress prevailed in the Arab sector in various areas. Evidence of distress included poverty, unemployment, a shortage of land, serious problems in the education system, and substantially defective infrastructure.'"
The National Committee for the Heads of the Arab Local Authorities in Israel addressed the unequal treatment of Israeli Arabs in a document produced in December 2006. They argued that: "The Israeli legal system includes a number of core laws that produce and reinforce inequality between the Arabs and the Jews in Israel (de jure) ... The official bias is not restricted to symbols such as the Israeli flag, but also to deeper legal issues concerning all Palestinian Arabs ... [t]he official definition of Israel as a Jewish state created a fortified ideological barrier in the face of obtaining full equality for the Palestinian Arab citizens of Israel ... We, the Palestinians in Israel, are an integral part of this place ... Israel has tried over the past decades to disengage us from this place, not through physical transfer but through intellectual emotional transfer. Israel has tried to create a new identity on the basis of 'loyalty to the state' ... The State has not determined a position acceptable to us yet in terms of nurturing our Arab culture."
Jimmy Carter on Israel's apartheid policy & the Israel Lobby
"You've proven why you are wrong in one sentence. Sounds like apartheid to me. Anyways, how are Palestinians not Israelis?"
You know what, i cant even begin to argue with you when modern history gets so distorted. So I am not going to try. Its so easy to argue against Israel. Just make up tons of accusations, throw in human rights violations, compare them to the nazis, justify terrorism, distort history, and you've won every argument.
If you want to argue that Israel is an apartheid nation then prove it by showing how it discriminates and racially segregates its OWN citizens. And if you want to argue that palestinians are victims of apartheid then you have to convince me that Israelis don't have any security threat to fear from them. Segregation for security reasons is not Apartheid especially when its an entity that is known for unleashing endless terror.
So far according to the definition of Apartheid Israel is no more guilty than any other nation especially the arab ones including palestinians themselves.
I'm not sure how anyone can accuse israel of apartheid while palestinian christians, homosexuals and women are either tortured, abused, or mistreated on a daily basis.
What I see here is typical anti-Israel bias.
Jimmy Carter on Israel's apartheid policy & the Israel Lobby
Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)
I tend to agree with JD - though I'm not sure if apartheid strictly applies to race. Pardon my ignorance, but aren't many Israelis and Palestenians "semitic" and genetically of the same race?
Jimmy Carter on Israel's apartheid policy & the Israel Lobby
Wow, game, set and match. You've proven why you are wrong in one sentence. Sounds like apartheid to me. Anyways, how are Palestinians not Israelis? What are they then? Are they Palestinians? Sorry, there is no nation or nationality for Palestine. When a group occupies a country and treats former residents as inhuman.. well, was South Africa an apartheid country? How is Israel any different?
Jimmy Carter on Israel's apartheid policy & the Israel Lobby
This is a load of BS!!Its amazing how people become so stupid when it comes to Israeli politics.
Accoding to Wikipedia, Apartheid "is a system of racial segregation...designed to form a legal framework for continued economic and political dominance"
Its a system used against a countries own citizens. If Israel were to mistreat Israeli Arabs and christians and prevent them from certain rights, not allow them on certain roads for racial reasons then that would be apartheid. Palestinians are not Israeli and for security reasons are not allowed on certain Israeli roads or in Israeli cities whereas Israeli Arabs (muslim or christian) would be permitted.
In fact, palestinian christians are not given the same rights as palestinian muslims.
In Saudi Arabia and other arab countries Jewish and Christian citizens are not allowed on certain roads or allowed the same rights as muslims.