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How Hollywood Gets It Wrong On Torture

Farhad2000 says...

Jane Meyer from the New Yorker wrote a wondeful article on this back in Feb. 2007 called "Whatever it takes" which talked with Joel Surnow the creator of 24.


This past November, US Army Brigadier General Patrick Finnegan, the dean of the United States Military Academy at West Point, flew to Southern California to meet with the creative team behind "24." Finnegan, who was accompanied by three of the most experienced military and FBI interrogators in the country, arrived on the set as the crew was filming. At first, Finnegan – wearing an immaculate Army uniform, his chest covered in ribbons and medals – aroused confusion: he was taken for an actor and was asked by someone what time his "call" was.

In fact, Finnegan and the others had come to voice their concern that the show's central political premise – that the letter of American law must be sacrificed for the country's security – was having a toxic effect. In their view, the show promoted unethical and illegal behavior and had adversely affected the training and performance of real American soldiers. "I'd like them to stop," Finnegan said of the show's producers. "They should do a show where torture backfires."

Gary Solis, a retired law professor who designed and taught the Law of War for Commanders curriculum at West Point, told the New Yorker that his students would frequently refer to Jack Bauer in discussions of what permissible in the questioning of terrorist suspects.

He said that, under both US and international law, "Jack Bauer is a criminal. In real life, he would be prosecuted." Yet the motto of many of his students was identical to Jack Bauer's: "Whatever it takes." His students were particularly impressed by a scene in which Bauer barges into a room where a stubborn suspect is being held, shoots him in one leg, and threatens to shoot the other if he doesn't talk. In less than ten seconds, the suspect reveals that his associates plan to assassinate the Secretary of Defense. Solis told me, "I tried to impress on them that this technique would open the wrong doors, but it was like trying to stomp out an anthill."

The Christian Science Monitor followed up with the more blunt title of "Does '24' encourage US interrogators to 'torture' detainees?" which culled information from several articles...

Christianity and Atheism in the United States (Religion Talk Post)

drattus says...

Backlash all the way. I was never a church goer but a few years ago I might have said I had some belief, though never in the strictly literal way many do. My wife did grow up in a church going family and for years she took our kids to church herself.

But, as they got more judgmental and harsh toward others she stopped going and I started to research the subject a bit, lost what sympathy I did have for them and started thinking for the first time about how much I really believed and why. Once they got me to examine it there wasn't much there to support or believe in, it was just habit.

For my wife it was a little different, I left her alone on it because it's such a personal issue and she should figure it out for herself, but one day someone suggested she actually read the bible. Not with the idea that it's automatically right about everything but actually looking at what's said and done, weigh it same as if it came from anywhere else. A kid with a magnifying glass and an anthill was her basic impression, demonstrations of power just to impress in too many cases and choices she thought were obscene once stripped of automatic sympathy for the source.

They forced too many people to actually look at the issue for the first time, and when that happened they came up on the short end of it. Their own fault for being so pushy.

Scorpion vs. Black Widow ~ Intense, sheesh!!!

Dewey, from Malcolm in the Middle - on God

ant says...

From http://www.tv.com/malcolm-in-the-middle/day-care/episode/234438/summary.html ...

Dewey: Like Pastor Roy said, how God is so much bigger and wiser than us, and trying to see what He's thinking would be like an ant trying to see what I'm thinking.
Teacher: Yes, exactly. But we can trust in His wisdom, and have faith that He is watching over us.
Dewey: Like me with the anthill in my backyard. I spent days watching the ants, trying to figure out which ones were good, and which ones were bad, but they all just looked like ants, so I started smiting all of them.
Teacher: Well that's not --
Dewey: I was smiting them with the garden hose, and with lighter fluid, and with the lawnmower, and to be perfectly honest, I think I went a little crazy with the shovel. Those ants could have been praying to me all day, I wouldn't have heard them.
ponders
Dewey: There was nothing they could do about it.
Teacher: But, I don't think --
Dewey: Really, it's the same with us. There's nothing we can do about anything either, so why worry about it? Hey, this is making me feel better.
Teacher: Well, that's good, but --
Dewey: I guess all we can do is live our lives with as much kindness and decency as possible, and try not to dwell on God standing over us with a giant shovel. Bye!

Teaching Children To Become Martyrs - An Aid Worker Speaks

choggie says...

Farhads camp of pro-peace is the one were all in, this upovte is for an end to bullshit.Peace, however, in the pardigm of money=strife, is unattainable.

The predictability of human response to stimuli, is how the brokers of the bullshit, keep them insulated and without blame...i.e. nameless.

Follow the herders, follow the money......the ants could shut the anthill down, if they stopped following the pheremonal signature, of the queens juicy ass.......but why would they?....they are used to a certain way of life.....
drunk with it. So are the sheeple.

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