>> ^arvana:
^ Clenching makes it hurt.


Pitching or catching?

"Who likes rough anal sex, you or your partner?". Uuugh, who doesn't? Hearing her talk about sex always gets me exited.

Anal sex for Jesus - it just works.

Yeah, countries that base their government on science and logic instead of Christianity have GREAT track records! Okay, I know there was no call to get sarcastic. I agree that science, logic, and respect for others are essential to good society, but the right interpretation of Christian doctrine should encourage these things, not reject them.

"Religion" is not synonymous with "Protestant Christian," and your personal bad experiences with religion do not prove that all religion is harmful. It's funny how you just sort of skipped over the second part of my sentence, "However, religion isn't harmful in and of itself, but the watering-down and misuse of doctrine is, yes, extraordinarily evil and damaging to both straight and gay people."

When I refer to the "watering down" of doctrines, I'm verifying what you said. It seems like most Christians today have no concept of the fact that faith does not have to be removed from logic, tolerance, and an open mind. "Faith," for some people, is a word to throw out when someone asks you a hard question. I do believe in faith. You and I both know that there are things that human beings don't and/or can't understand. Whereas you write faith off as belief in the supernatural, I believe that faith is belief in things that follow all of the laws of the cosmos, but that are beyond our power, knowledge, or understanding. Faith is not necessary for the purpose of dismissing science and logic. It is necessary so that we can have choice. People are always arguing with me about choice, saying that a god who threatens damnation is not truly offering choice. Well, that's a discussion for another day.

When religious people think that morality is black and white, when they are hateful, intolerant, or bigoted, they obviously don't understand Jesus Christ AT ALL. Religion is not inherently harmful, and your 37 years of experience, I'm sorry to say, do not exhaust all of the possibilities it has to offer.

>> ^ABTechie:
In response to thePink,

I have been going to church for 37 years and I can tell you religion is harmful. It is an oversimplification of decision making and morality. This is right and that is wrong and we have God to back up what we say. This leads to intolerance and an unwillingness to explore different views. Churches and theologians do not rely on scientific advances that help us understand why people do what they do. They know their rights and wrongs. They don't care about hormones, pheromones, cognitive developement, cognitive biases... They already have the answers from God.

A religious upbringing and a religious wife have made my life and sex life more difficult and less happy than it should be. It amazes me that Christians think they get their sexual morality from the Bible. The hypocracy found in the Bible and with Christians is one of the reasons I am no longer a Christian.

Science, logic, reason and respect for others will produce a far better society than religion.

Yup thats where i was. I couldn't remember, but yes.
I probably saw your stupid house. I should have peed on it.
Had i known about the sift this time last year and what a dick you were, we would have had to get beers and insult each other. We stayed in Mission Bay, and I liked it there pretty well. Also In-N-Out burger sucks.

Don't pretend like you don't want to hang out with me.

In reply to this comment by rottenseed:
I know exactly where you were...that's belmont park (with a rollercoaster, no?). That gyro place is bomb. And that wave machine is RIGHT next to thewavehouse where on Sundays they do a house party in the afternoon til about 10. If it wasn't for the eminent hangover on mondays I'd be there every sunday. I live about 3 miles away from there, wow that's really close for sifters to be to one another without tearing a hole in the sift-space continuum.

I'd say next time you're over here to hit me up, but you're probably not coming back and we probably don't want you...:P

In reply to this comment by inflatablevagina:
some place where they had surf boards and a wave for people to surf on. It was obnoxious and also some sort of terrible radio station was there blasting shit hole music. It wasn't house music though. It was like new rock shit that I hate. It was right on the beach and right across from the best gyros ever.

In reply to this comment by rottenseed:
The Wave or the wavehouse? I like the wave house...

(house music + sunsets)*drugs = awesome

In reply to this comment by inflatablevagina:
i came for the gyros.
oh and the pizza

but not for that place called "The Wave". That place can suck my ass.

Fort Worth is the same way so I can't give you the golden shower that you probably deserve

In reply to this comment by rottenseed:
Yea SD does suck post anal sex discharge, but...but...well I can't defend this fucking place.

I can't apologize for the people here because they piss me off too...and I probably piss them off. Next thing you know we're all pissing each other off and here comes a tourist like yourself that walks right into the middle of this angry piss-fest and starts crying about getting pissed on...well fuck you, who fucking invited you anyway?!

In reply to this comment by inflatablevagina:
well Rottenseed, i was in San Diego this time last year.... water was pretty.. people were dicks.

stopped at a place by the ocean to drink a beer.... full of pricks.

So.. basically San Diego can suck my cooter. (spell check is flagging cooter and suggesting cuter.. .oh spell check you don't know how right you are...)

I did enjoy the tiny Photography Museum though.

I know exactly where you were...that's belmont park (with a rollercoaster, no?). That gyro place is bomb. And that wave machine is RIGHT next to thewavehouse where on Sundays they do a house party in the afternoon til about 10. If it wasn't for the eminent hangover on mondays I'd be there every sunday. I live about 3 miles away from there, wow that's really close for sifters to be to one another without tearing a hole in the sift-space continuum.

I'd say next time you're over here to hit me up, but you're probably not coming back and we probably don't want you...:P

In reply to this comment by inflatablevagina:
some place where they had surf boards and a wave for people to surf on. It was obnoxious and also some sort of terrible radio station was there blasting shit hole music. It wasn't house music though. It was like new rock shit that I hate. It was right on the beach and right across from the best gyros ever.

In reply to this comment by rottenseed:
The Wave or the wavehouse? I like the wave house...

(house music + sunsets)*drugs = awesome

In reply to this comment by inflatablevagina:
i came for the gyros.
oh and the pizza

but not for that place called "The Wave". That place can suck my ass.

Fort Worth is the same way so I can't give you the golden shower that you probably deserve

In reply to this comment by rottenseed:
Yea SD does suck post anal sex discharge, but...but...well I can't defend this fucking place.

I can't apologize for the people here because they piss me off too...and I probably piss them off. Next thing you know we're all pissing each other off and here comes a tourist like yourself that walks right into the middle of this angry piss-fest and starts crying about getting pissed on...well fuck you, who fucking invited you anyway?!

In reply to this comment by inflatablevagina:
well Rottenseed, i was in San Diego this time last year.... water was pretty.. people were dicks.

stopped at a place by the ocean to drink a beer.... full of pricks.

So.. basically San Diego can suck my cooter. (spell check is flagging cooter and suggesting cuter.. .oh spell check you don't know how right you are...)

I did enjoy the tiny Photography Museum though.

some place where they had surf boards and a wave for people to surf on. It was obnoxious and also some sort of terrible radio station was there blasting shit hole music. It wasn't house music though. It was like new rock shit that I hate. It was right on the beach and right across from the best gyros ever.

In reply to this comment by rottenseed:
The Wave or the wavehouse? I like the wave house...

(house music + sunsets)*drugs = awesome

In reply to this comment by inflatablevagina:
i came for the gyros.
oh and the pizza

but not for that place called "The Wave". That place can suck my ass.

Fort Worth is the same way so I can't give you the golden shower that you probably deserve

In reply to this comment by rottenseed:
Yea SD does suck post anal sex discharge, but...but...well I can't defend this fucking place.

I can't apologize for the people here because they piss me off too...and I probably piss them off. Next thing you know we're all pissing each other off and here comes a tourist like yourself that walks right into the middle of this angry piss-fest and starts crying about getting pissed on...well fuck you, who fucking invited you anyway?!

In reply to this comment by inflatablevagina:
well Rottenseed, i was in San Diego this time last year.... water was pretty.. people were dicks.

stopped at a place by the ocean to drink a beer.... full of pricks.

So.. basically San Diego can suck my cooter. (spell check is flagging cooter and suggesting cuter.. .oh spell check you don't know how right you are...)

I did enjoy the tiny Photography Museum though.

The Wave or the wavehouse? I like the wave house...

(house music + sunsets)*drugs = awesome

In reply to this comment by inflatablevagina:
i came for the gyros.
oh and the pizza

but not for that place called "The Wave". That place can suck my ass.

Fort Worth is the same way so I can't give you the golden shower that you probably deserve

In reply to this comment by rottenseed:
Yea SD does suck post anal sex discharge, but...but...well I can't defend this fucking place.

I can't apologize for the people here because they piss me off too...and I probably piss them off. Next thing you know we're all pissing each other off and here comes a tourist like yourself that walks right into the middle of this angry piss-fest and starts crying about getting pissed on...well fuck you, who fucking invited you anyway?!

In reply to this comment by inflatablevagina:
well Rottenseed, i was in San Diego this time last year.... water was pretty.. people were dicks.

stopped at a place by the ocean to drink a beer.... full of pricks.

So.. basically San Diego can suck my cooter. (spell check is flagging cooter and suggesting cuter.. .oh spell check you don't know how right you are...)

I did enjoy the tiny Photography Museum though.

i came for the gyros.
oh and the pizza

but not for that place called "The Wave". That place can suck my ass.

Fort Worth is the same way so I can't give you the golden shower that you probably deserve

In reply to this comment by rottenseed:
Yea SD does suck post anal sex discharge, but...but...well I can't defend this fucking place.

I can't apologize for the people here because they piss me off too...and I probably piss them off. Next thing you know we're all pissing each other off and here comes a tourist like yourself that walks right into the middle of this angry piss-fest and starts crying about getting pissed on...well fuck you, who fucking invited you anyway?!

In reply to this comment by inflatablevagina:
well Rottenseed, i was in San Diego this time last year.... water was pretty.. people were dicks.

stopped at a place by the ocean to drink a beer.... full of pricks.

So.. basically San Diego can suck my cooter. (spell check is flagging cooter and suggesting cuter.. .oh spell check you don't know how right you are...)

I did enjoy the tiny Photography Museum though.

Yea SD does suck post anal sex discharge, but...but...well I can't defend this fucking place.

I can't apologize for the people here because they piss me off too...and I probably piss them off. Next thing you know we're all pissing each other off and here comes a tourist like yourself that walks right into the middle of this angry piss-fest and starts crying about getting pissed on...well fuck you, who fucking invited you anyway?!

In reply to this comment by inflatablevagina:
well Rottenseed, i was in San Diego this time last year.... water was pretty.. people were dicks.

stopped at a place by the ocean to drink a beer.... full of pricks.

So.. basically San Diego can suck my cooter. (spell check is flagging cooter and suggesting cuter.. .oh spell check you don't know how right you are...)

I did enjoy the tiny Photography Museum though.

"However, religion isn't harmful in and of itself"

I have been going to church for 37 years and I can tell you religion is harmful. It is an oversimplification of decision making and morality. This is right and that is wrong and we have God to back up what we say. This leads to intolerance and an unwillingness to explore different views. Churches and theologians do not rely on scientific advances that help us understand why people do what they do. They know their rights and wrongs. They don't care about hormones, pheromones, cognitive developement, cognitive biases... They already have the answers from God.

A religious upbringing and a religious wife have made my life and sex life more difficult and less happy than it should be. It amazes me that Christians think they get their sexual morality from the Bible. The hypocracy found in the Bible and with Christians is one of the reasons I am no longer a Christian.

Science, logic, reason and respect for others will produce a far better society than religion.


In reply to this comment by thepinky:
Something is wrong with both their religious and sex educations if they think that anal sex is preserving their virginity. It's an oversimplification to say that religion and abstinence-only sex education are to blame. The type of religious parents that shove dos and don'ts down their children's throats, shouting "LOVE JESUS" without bothering to check whether their children have real values, faith, and integrity, are the type of people that are harming their children. The kids aren't truly converted to the teachings of Jesus Christ, and they obviously don't understand them. Perhaps they're addicted to the high that they get when they hear a live band in church. If they're having anal sex, they have a very misguided concept of virginity brought on by parents and church leaders that sensationalize religion to the point that children are confused beyond belief. If this is all that you know of religion, I can understand why you despise it. However, religion isn't harmful in and of itself, but the watering-down and misuse of doctrine is, yes, extraordinarily evil and damaging to both straight and gay people.

Let's not forget that other types of sex education fail, too. However, abstinence-only sex education is bogus. The way I see it, if abstinence isn't being taught in the home, the school will probably be ineffectual, anyway. They might as well do some damage control and educate kids about safe sex and birth control. If parents are teaching abstinence, why should they worry that schools are encouraging teenagers to have sex? Stop expecting the government to fix your problems!

>> ^quantumushroom:
That's rich, being lectured about safe sex by a rep of the demographic responsible for 50% of all AIDS cases.


Responsible? Responsible? Poor choice of words there. And what are you saying anyway, that his arguments are invalid because he's gay? His homosexuality doesn't preclude him from being immensely knowledgeable about heterosexual behaviour or giving advice about that behaviour. That's a poor ad hominem, quantumushroom, shame on you for employing such a glaring logical fallacy.

>> ^quantumushroom:
That's rich, being lectured about safe sex by a rep of the demographic responsible for 50% of all AIDS cases.
Abstinence-only is a failure? Seems relatively new by comparison How many decades has there been "liberal" sex education in government schools? Results: 1 in 4 teen girls has an STD, half of all Black teens have herpes. FAIL.
Liberal "knowledge" always costs a little extra, as it's designed to undermine parental authority and encourage irresponsibility ("Don't worry, SOCIETY will pay for your bastard!") while downplaying real consequences.


You seem to be obsessed with the whole "every man for himself" philosophy of capitalism, but you have missed every single chapter on how this relies on informed citizens to actually work.

The entire concept of making a true free choice relies on our knowledge. Think about it: If you were asked if you with rather swim in water or swim in lava, and you had no idea what water or lava was, there is no point in making a choice in the first place, your "choice" would be no better or worse than after the flip of a coin.

If you really want people to fend for themselves, then why should we deliberately OMIT information in their sex education? Would you rather perhaps, that some official from the government should be sitting around the beds of 16 year-olds telling them not to have sex? Maybe we should have a more theocratic state, and go all-out on this whole "abstinence" idea, and just do like Saudi Arabia or Iran, and demand burka's and veils for all women, and threaten youth with 40 lashes for sex outside marriage?

Seriously, what is your real alternative? Do you like freedom, or do you like tax cuts and religion. You see, you cant have it both ways.

The statistics show quite clearly that when kids are given a proper sex education, abortions, STD's and teen pregnancies go DOWN, compared to this "abstinence only" bullshit.

Something is wrong with both their religious and sex educations if they think that anal sex is preserving their virginity. It's an oversimplification to say that religion and abstinence-only sex education are to blame. The type of religious parents that shove dos and don'ts down their children's throats, shouting "LOVE JESUS" without bothering to check whether their children have real values, faith, and integrity, are the type of people that are harming their children. The kids aren't truly converted to the teachings of Jesus Christ, and they obviously don't understand them. Perhaps they're addicted to the high that they get when they hear a live band in church. If they're having anal sex, they have a very misguided concept of virginity brought on by parents and church leaders that sensationalize religion to the point that children are confused beyond belief. If this is all that you know of religion, I can understand why you despise it. However, religion isn't harmful in and of itself, but the watering-down and misuse of doctrine is, yes, extraordinarily evil and damaging to both straight and gay people.

Let's not forget that other types of sex education fail, too. However, abstinence-only sex education is bogus. The way I see it, if abstinence isn't being taught in the home, the school will probably be ineffectual, anyway. They might as well do some damage control and educate kids about safe sex and birth control. If parents are teaching abstinence, why should they worry that schools are encouraging teenagers to have sex? Stop expecting the government to fix your problems!

>> ^Yogi:
I consider myself Agnostic I suppose, and I really think most religious nutcases are morons and shouldn't be taken seriously. However, he's picking a target that I just can't approve of, these confused teenage girls. It's not cool to me, makes him sound like a douche, and I love this guy on Bill Maher.
I don't know I just don't see how mocking Christians helps atheism in anyway, seems like just a childish thing to do. Kinda tired of hearing Christians being hated on everywhere, and I certainly don't like their stupid antics. It's just, some shit gets old.

The fact that these "confused teenage girls" do have anal sex despite their sex educators telling them not to, and rationalizing it by saying anal sex preserves your virginity, shows that they are in fact very lucid about the whole thing. It's simply a loophole in their religious upbringing (read: brainwashing) that they exploit. Children are not stupid, adolescents even less. It's not their fault if society continue to infantilize them. They are simply doing what they can with what they have in order to respond to their growing and often sudden sexual impulses.