>> ^KnivesOut:
Legitimate war: a war that is undertaken based on unilateral agreement by a society of nations, and for humanitarian reasons. See "WW2".
Illegitimate war: a war that is undertaken on a lie. See "WMD"s.
Did you love that?


I do love seeing someone finally brave enough to try.

I wonder if you have a name for wars that do not fall under either category, what are we to call all of those? You can't define legitimate and illegitimate separately, you must define one, and the other is simply everything that isn't the first:

Legitimate wars are by your definition and illegitimate wars are all the others.
OR
Illegitimate wars are by your definition, and legitimate wars all the others.

Your trying to set your definitions up so you can have your cake and eat it to. Legitimate and illegitimate are the opposite of one another in the English language. You'd seem to like to talk about three types of wars Legitimate,Illegitimate and those that are neither. Don't redefine English to fit your purposes, use the appropriate word to describe what you really mean.

>> ^KnivesOut:
>> ^bcglorf:

Maybe there's better ways to empty a building full of explosives?

Great advice, you need to phone the military up right away, I'm sure it just never occurred to them.
I can be smarmy too if you like.

Oh you're right. I should be duly impressed by how fucking awesome it is to blow shit up in the middle of a suburban neighborhood. Go our team! Boo terrorists!


Maybe you haven't heard but the majority of the explosives stored like this cache usually end up in an automobile and explode in the middle of a marketplace somewhere. Better one big explosion in the attackers home than multiple ones at targets the attacker picked. In the mess that is a war this is still a win, that doesn't have to make it happy, just less sad than the alternative.


illegitimate war?

I'd love to hear someone explain what a 'legitimate' war might look like or consist of.

>> ^bcglorf:

Maybe there's better ways to empty a building full of explosives?

Great advice, you need to phone the military up right away, I'm sure it just never occurred to them.
I can be smarmy too if you like.


Oh you're right. I should be duly impressed by how fucking awesome it is to blow shit up in the middle of a suburban neighborhood. Go our team! Boo terrorists!

>> ^alizarin:
1) If you can't separate your intended target from the civilians nearby then it's not a legitimate target.


You really can't separate the war from the civilians. Besides, the USAF has come a long way since the days where it would bomb civilian targets on purpose. The firebombing of Dresden, nuking Japan, napalming villages in Vietnam, etc.

>> ^bcglorf:
>> ^KnivesOut:
It's ok, I'm sure all the civilians that were killed in the ensuing aftermath would have become terrorists eventually anyway.

So, a building is proven to be a legitimate military target by the massive quantity of explosives stored in it, and every resulting casualty should be blamed on the Americans. Yeah, that sounds about right...


1) If you can't separate your intended target from the civilians nearby then it's not a legitimate target.
2) Is there a legitimate military target in an illegitimate war? Why are we there again?

>> ^honkeytonk73:
Chunk of shrapnel barely missed their heads. No sound.


I'd give you the transcript, but I don't know how to write down the sound of one shitting one's pants. (?)

>> ^KnivesOut:
It's ok, I'm sure all the civilians that were killed in the ensuing aftermath would have become terrorists eventually anyway.


They will be now.

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>> ^KnivesOut:
The building full of explosives was just sitting there until we dropped a missile into it. Maybe there's better ways to empty a building full of explosives?
I don't even know if there were casualties, honestly, I was just trying to be smarmy, but thanks for getting defensive about it.


I guess it's something about war and people dying that brings out my more serious side and leaves my sense of humor a little lacking.

>> ^KnivesOut:
It's ok, I'm sure all the civilians that were killed in the ensuing aftermath would have become terrorists eventually anyway.


So, a building is proven to be a legitimate military target by the massive quantity of explosives stored in it, and every resulting casualty should be blamed on the Americans. Yeah, that sounds about right...

>> ^KnivesOut:
It's ok, I'm sure all the civilians that were killed in the ensuing aftermath would have become terrorists eventually anyway.


Don't worry, they've got plenty of children and family members who will certainly become terrorists after the infidels killed their parents. It's their duty to their family and to allah to offer themselves as a sacrifice and take as many of the godless sinners with them as possible.

I must say, I want to get into a game of paint ball where you call in air strikes.

This looks like it will lead to the same spastically random deaths that air strikes and helis did in CoD4.

The question that should be asked on "Is it torture" should be: Would it be torture if the Taliban or Al-Qaeda used waterboarding on service members to find out when the next air strike, or military strike would be.

If they did the same thing to US/NATO forces, for the purpose of getting information to save Taliban or Al-Qaeda fighters, is that torture?

Imo, it is torture, and a lot of this debate has to do with perspective.

I had one of these, but couldn't hover as well as this dude.

Needless to say, the cat wasn't brave enough for mid-air strikes.

Also, the cat got it off the shelf over night and put 1000 holes in it and somehow took out the IR sensor.