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VICE covers Charlottesville. Excellent

MilkmanDan says...

So good. I think this video is a pretty great argument for giving the crazy alt-right types plenty of leash to exercise 1st amendment rights -- give them a little and they'll find a way to hang themselves with it.

With that said, comments / (mild) rebuttals to your post @newtboy:
(my thoughts in italics inline with the quoted post:)

newtboy said:

"None of our side died, points for us"...begging for retaliation, no?
Begging for retaliation is exactly what he's doing. He desperately wants the counter protesters to provoke his goons physically enough to allow for a response / escalation.

The Westboro Baptist Church works the same way, except that I think Phelps' "God Hates Fags" shtick is purely a show put on to provoke violent responses and enable lawsuits (moneymaking scam) whereas these alt-right goons actually believe their message.


Also, give it time, the murderer may have killed himself too, domestic terrorism is a capital offence.
I bet he's praying that does happen. He'd value a "martyr" more than one more skinhead goon.

"None of our people killed anyone unjustly."
The car was struck by a bat after he murderously drove through the crowd killing people.
I've seen that bat hitting the rear window in the videos also. ...However, it is at least possible that the car was damaged / attacked / provoked before the driver plowed it into the crowd. There's no hypothetical scenario that could possibly make that action OK, so I'd never try to argue that. But the alt-right side is going to try to spin it that way no matter what, and I think we should anticipate that.

He's just begging for someone to drive into his next rally so he can open fire with all 5 guns at once and finally feel like a man, isn't he?
Yes. Exactly. I hope nobody plays into his hands like that, even though he'd arguably deserve it. Even if somebody guns him down or otherwise takes him out, the last thing that goes through his head will be his own fucked up variant of righteous indignation.

Compare that with the famous 70's photo of protesters putting flowers down the barrels of soldier's rifles. Do that to him and instead of righteous indignation he'll be faced with choosing between either impotent rage (if he does nothing) or jail (after pulling the trigger). I guess to me that quandary seems like better poetic justice for him.


His followers are scurrying for the shadows now that they're being identified publicly. It will be hilarious if all their homes get robbed while they're in San Francisco harassing homosexuals on 9/11.
I think there are consequences to identifying them like that that we may not like. Sometimes people make bad decisions. Sometimes they end up on the wrong side of something. But identifying them and calling them out / requiring them to carry around a "scarlet letter" for the rest of their lives impairs their ability to grow beyond those mistakes in the future.

Some of the people on the wrong side of this mess in Charlottesville might have been on the fringe. But post their name / address / etc. on the internet with the intention of shaming them for all time, and they're going to have pretty much no choice but to radicalize and buy in all the way.

I dunno. Largely, any fallout that people face as a result of being identified there may well be deserved. But it could be unfortunate if it pushes anyone past the point of no return; beyond the threshold of redemption.

Straight is the new gay - Steve Hughes

MilkmanDan says...

My inline comments in italics below \/.

ChaosEngine said:

As much as I love Steve Hughes, and as much as I hate taking a comedy bit seriously, he's pretty much wrong about every single point in this video.

Oppressive health and safety? Oh please can we return to when employers could order me to endanger my life just for a paycheck.
---Like @Asmo said, H&S is a good idea frequently taken too far. I think Hughes makes that clear when he compares Amsterdam to the UK: "Is your bike wet? You're on the wrong bit, mate." I blame litigious America for the core of this problem, oppressive H&S is basically just a swing back too far the other direction.

PC? Been down this road a million times, but it's really easy for a straight white dude to talk about not being offended.
---Yeah, we disagree on this one. But that's cool.

Smoking? I give zero fucks if you want to smoke, just don't do it around me. Oh, and I was in Ireland when they banned smoking in pubs. It was fucking great, and yeah, it encouraged a bunch of people to quit.
---I'm all for smoking bans in public places and large general stores or malls or the like. But banning it in pubs or even restaurants seems a bit excessive to me.

I *hate* smoke, so I never go to bars, and I avoid eating at restaurants with smoking sections. But that's on me. I don't have to go to those places, so I don't.

When I was going to college, one of the bars around campus decided to go smoke-free of their own volition. That gave the people like me that care(d) an option. Good idea, good for me, good for them, good for business, zero government mandate necessary.


Anyway, as I said, it's a comedy bit and it's funny. Just don't go actually believing it.
---I think freedom to make that distinction / come to that conclusion is extremely important. "It's funny, but that doesn't make it right."

To me, it is both funny and largely wise / insightful / true. But I can appreciate your objections.

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serosmeg says...

Typeface tattoos and a halftone patterned shirt? dude means business.

Some guy,
"Is that an italic Monotype Corsiva 'W' 34pt on your right arm?

Dan Rhatigan,
"It's OBLIQUE you jackass!"

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Lawdeedaw says...

Are they part of verbal language? No...but they are a part of symbol language--which is every type of language that exists, even written symbols (Which generate their own by italics and exclamation marks, etc.)

Now you know--this PSA brought to you by 50cents and Lawdeedaw...now lets toast to the good life.

lucky760 said:

Are facial expressions part of sign language? I thought not, but this guy uses them so vigorously and passionately.

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artician says...

Yeah, my italics didn't come across readable, and I should have checked sarcasm. I don't think understanding people and a moral compass come from schooling. They can come from schooling, but life will give you those one way or another regardless.
It's just trite that they keep attacking him on such lame points. They really *should* be saying "look at his education! How could you hire someone our educational system failed to conform to our political beliefs?".

Yogi said:

I've been in college for the last 10 years, still don't have a degree, barely graduated high school. However I can operate pretty well given the circumstances of my low education level. I imagine he did quite well as there are a lot of people that don't like how school is structured and learn on their own best.

Maybe he's not a genius but he doesn't need to be to do the right thing.

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gwiz665 says...

I'm not sure I understand either.

Do you mean making a link in a comment? Right now you have to type in the HTML for it (<a href="LINK">My hyperlink</a>).

We've also lost our keyboard shortcuts for certain things like Italics (ctrl+i) and Bold (ctrl+b) that I would like back.

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rottenseed says...

Don't know if this thread is still getting any action but I have a question/bug. Maybe you designed it this way, but I used to use hot-keys such as CTRL+i for italics and CTRL+b for bold. That no worky anymore. Is this on purpose?

Christian interviews AronRa

bookface says...

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^bookface:
>> ^Yogi:
>> ^enoch:
i really like this aronra dude.

He looks like a douchenozzle.

Douchenozzles usually don't bother to apologize for making fun of someone's accent.

I said LOOKS!


Ah. My mistake. You didn't employ CAPS, italics, "quotes"... not even a smiley face... so I didn't know WHAT to "think" ;-) It's the aviator glasses that really bring out the nozzle in him, of course. Good evening.

Fan Gives Advice On How To Beat Djokovic At Wimbledon

Unsung_Hero says...

>> ^criticalthud:

>> ^Unsung_Hero:
>> ^vaire2ube:
faded sarcasm italics went over your head! >> ^Unsung_Hero:
>> ^criticalthud:
what brilliant advice. i'm sure in a million years he never would have thought of hitting the ball to his opponents backhand.

I'm pretty sure the fun nature of this video clip isn't so much the advice as it is how the Pro deals with the situation. In this case quite humorously, just in case you didn't stay to the end.


Nope, I caught your sarcasm. (I'm pretty sure you're well aware there is a sarcasm button, since you pushed it. It's fairly obvious to denote.)
It appears you missed my point (twice now). You were still making a sarcastic remark about what the fan said... the intention of the video is to point out how the player reacts. I can't explain this any more simpler.

no, actually, i made the sarcastic statement. i'm afraid you missed that bit.


You are absolutely correct. I'm an idiot. Arguing a stupid point on the internet about a video and lumped two different people's comments into one thought. I apologize and offer the last three remaining interments I have. Spend them wisely!

::I'm not being sarcastic, Didn't mean to be a douche::

Fan Gives Advice On How To Beat Djokovic At Wimbledon

criticalthud says...

>> ^Unsung_Hero:

>> ^vaire2ube:
faded sarcasm italics went over your head! >> ^Unsung_Hero:
>> ^criticalthud:
what brilliant advice. i'm sure in a million years he never would have thought of hitting the ball to his opponents backhand.

I'm pretty sure the fun nature of this video clip isn't so much the advice as it is how the Pro deals with the situation. In this case quite humorously, just in case you didn't stay to the end.


Nope, I caught your sarcasm. (I'm pretty sure you're well aware there is a sarcasm button, since you pushed it. It's fairly obvious to denote.)
It appears you missed my point (twice now). You were still making a sarcastic remark about what the fan said... the intention of the video is to point out how the player reacts. I can't explain this any more simpler.


no, actually, i made the sarcastic statement. i'm afraid you missed that bit.

Fan Gives Advice On How To Beat Djokovic At Wimbledon

Unsung_Hero says...

>> ^vaire2ube:

faded sarcasm italics went over your head! >> ^Unsung_Hero:
>> ^criticalthud:
what brilliant advice. i'm sure in a million years he never would have thought of hitting the ball to his opponents backhand.

I'm pretty sure the fun nature of this video clip isn't so much the advice as it is how the Pro deals with the situation. In this case quite humorously, just in case you didn't stay to the end.



Nope, I caught your sarcasm. (I'm pretty sure you're well aware there is a sarcasm button, since you pushed it. It's fairly obvious to denote.)

It appears you missed my point (twice now). You were still making a sarcastic remark about what the fan said... the intention of the video is to point out how the player reacts. I can't explain this any more simpler.

Fan Gives Advice On How To Beat Djokovic At Wimbledon

vaire2ube says...

faded sarcasm italics went over your head! >> ^Unsung_Hero:

>> ^criticalthud:
what brilliant advice. i'm sure in a million years he never would have thought of hitting the ball to his opponents backhand.

I'm pretty sure the fun nature of this video clip isn't so much the advice as it is how the Pro deals with the situation. In this case quite humorously, just in case you didn't stay to the end.

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