>> ^Lodurr:
I think you'd be hard-pressed to find evidence in history of a war caused by religion. I've looked (hint: not the Crusades). Athenians fought Spartans, Americans fought Americans, Hutus murdered Tutsis. War does just fine without religion.

Religion is never the obvious cause, but is constantly an underlying current that drives the wars. India/Pakistan, Israel/Palestine, US/Afghanistan/Iraq, to name a few that are recent / ongoing.

Religion is a unifying force, binding the followers of the same faith into one group, but is also a dividing force, separating different groups of believers from one-another. It is a lot easier to kill the "other", which is what someone of a different religion is automatically.

Nationality is second to that, but that is based on a physical fact (land), and not a theoretical one (my invisible sky-daddy is better than yours).

>> ^gwiz665

I think you'd be hard-pressed to find evidence in history of a war caused by religion. I've looked (hint: not the Crusades). Athenians fought Spartans, Americans fought Americans, Hutus murdered Tutsis. War does just fine without religion.

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Why I would never vote for Barack Obama (or Hillary)

1. Gun grabber. Any government official who thinks the people cannot be trusted with a firearms cannot be trusted with government power. I'm appalled a Constitutional lawyer wouldn't recognize the 2nd Amendment.

2. Anti-capitalist. When explained point blank that lowering/keeping capital gains tax low brings more revenue to government, he dismissed it outright.

3. Close alliance with anti-Semitic, anti-White pastor and former Weathermen terrorists. Yes, you will be judged by the company you keep.

4. the lack of experience he brings to the job

Doesn't have a distinguished record (could be argued he's too new) and the guy can't even go one-on-one in a debate with Hillary...how is he supposed to deal with nutjobs like Ahmadinejad? Will not reveal his plans for the military, budgetary or otherwise.

5. Gives good speeches that fall short on substance and specifics. The "impartial" mainstream media has let this guy have a free pass and will continue to do so. Also, he seems to take offense when pressured to answer difficult or unpopular questions. That's the opposite of transparency.

I don't think socialized medicine is a good idea, but for those who do, what specifics has he laid out already to achieve his stated goals?

I wouldn't think you'd be incredibly supportive of McCain as candidate, are you? I thought McCain would be okay until his last year and a half of pandering, dumbing down his message and watering down his ideals to get the anti-liberal side of the conservative party onboard.

No, I'm not supportive of McLame, and the proof is, the only way I'd vote for him is if the other guys ran Barack or Hillary against him.

I know why Barack is popular, he appeals to the imagination and engages emotions (just like religion does). But from my POV, the people looking to him for salvation are reacting to a (not) surprisingly false and negative presentation of reality, courtesy of the monolithic media (no, not Fox).











In reply to this comment by bamdrew:
Basics of why I'm voting for Barack Obama.

1. he's an grounded idealist; identifies goals and outlines realistic paths to achieving them in the ridiculous environment of Washington D.C.
-(maximize transparency in federal government! have all parties (including health care providers) involved while moving in stages to universal healthcare! get out of Iraq by pressuring their government to make hard decisions! increase community service with college scholarships! etc.)

2. the experience he brings to the job
-(Constitutional Law professor from a middle-lower class family, raised by single mom and grandparents, attracted to community service literally through the joy of helping others, history of reaching across the aisle and not only respecting but understanding opposing views, etc.)

3. is not a "good" politician; refuses to bullshit for votes
-(treats American citizens like intelligent people, doesn't change his message to suit the audience, directly challenges parties to understand one another and find compromise, etc.etc.etc.)

I wouldn't think you'd be incredibly supportive of McCain as candidate, are you? I thought McCain would be okay until his last year and a half of pandering, dumbing down his message and watering down his ideals to get the anti-liberal side of the conservative party onboard.

Actually I still think Obama as Pres/McCain as Vice would be cool, as long as nothing happened to Obama.


In reply to this comment by quantumushroom:
America can take all the criticism dopes like Dan can churn out and a whole lot more. It's just when these empty shirts (or in this case, hoodies) are called on their bullsh*t by presentations of facts, they backpedal while throwing out the same old, same old: "America bad. Life unfair. Racism."

How about some new material? This poor-me victim crap is plenty stale. Last time I checked, Whites were paying the same $4-a-gallon for gas as everyone else.

Nowhere on earth have Whites done so much for a Black minority than America, spending over a trillion dollars in 50 years on what amounts to 13% of the population. How about a little gratitude? Just a little? They're still practicing slavery in North Africa and tribes (Hutus/Tutsis) are still pointlessly killing each other over there; any White colonial remnants left decades ago, can't blame them.

Voting for Obama and his odious doof of a pastor? As long as you're not doing so out of White guilt or Black entitlement...and if not those what do you got? O-Bam's "principles" are socialist, ultra-left-wing to the left of Ted Stumblebum Kennedy. There's nothing else there in the way of plans or leadership, except to raise taxes. I don't think I'm being unfair here, if you know something I don't about Obama's experience and quals, do tell.

The White House is the absolute last reward anyone should receive for having a victim mentality.

America can take all the criticism dopes like Dan can churn out and a whole lot more. It's just when these empty shirts (or in this case, hoodies) are called on their bullsh*t by presentations of facts, they backpedal while throwing out the same old, same old: "America bad. Life unfair. Racism."

How about some new material? This poor-me victim crap is plenty stale. Last time I checked, Whites were paying the same $4-a-gallon for gas as everyone else.

Nowhere on earth have Whites done so much for a Black minority than America, spending over a trillion dollars in 50 years on what amounts to 13% of the population. How about a little gratitude? Just a little? They're still practicing slavery in North Africa and tribes (Hutus/Tutsis) are still pointlessly killing each other over there; any White colonial remnants left decades ago, can't blame them.

Voting for Obama and his odious doof of a pastor? As long as you're not doing so out of White guilt or Black entitlement...and if not those what do you got? O-Bam's "principles" are socialist, ultra-left-wing to the left of Ted Stumblebum Kennedy. There's nothing else there in the way of plans or leadership, except to raise taxes. I don't think I'm being unfair here, if you know something I don't about Obama's experience and quals, do tell.

The White House is the absolute last reward anyone should receive for having a victim mentality.

same here, and in the west, the only reference points for the situation for most who rely on fast-food news, are the story of Abraham's handmaiden, and their own lack of exposure to and insulation from the rest of the world....

.... need to give the Palestinians some space and their own place.....how about Mexico, when all of her teeming hoards come to the U.S.???? Wait a minute, drop all yer religious baggage, kiss and make up, and have plenty of room for everyone-

and in N. Korea??? what to do there- as an asshole claims the souls of each child born, day in day out??? well, the sane thing to do by the collective free world, is to scrape the memory of him from the face of the earth, and begin to re-educate an entire culture..........glad Israel is there, means the Hitler's of the world can never succeed....but really wish people, regardless of their beliefs, could live together-
and the tutsis' and hutus, and the Catholics and protestants, and so the dance goes.....most humans problems come from some unconscious mechanism to follow the leader....like being stuck in the survival circuit is living!! s'why organized sports on a national scale is so fucking abhorrent to me.......

get rid of currency exchange for goods and services, and provide free, available energy to the masses(the technology exists), and watch the world change colours overnight....as long as the paradigm of control remains, there will always be the Jew/Gentile scenarios......

That's all nice and everything Conan but maybe you should fact-check that the saying of "Soldaten sind Mörder" comes from a publication in 1932. Given what occurred afterwards I really rest my case regarding that.

It's wrong to lay the blame at people who selflessly give their lives to serve their nation. Maybe you should look at how politicians use those armed forces, wars are not run by generals, they are instituted by politicians. For me it's up to the citizens to make sure that that path is only used in the most drastic conditions as outlined by calvados.

During the 1994 Rwanadan genocide the entire world could have intervened with a larger peace-keeping forces but who came forward? Canada sent one general, Belgium sent the only westernized force that is self sufficient, Bangladesh and Ghana committed some troops but the overall UN mission was small and could not stop the outbreak of violence, their force was just too small. Between April 6 and mid-July 1994, a genocide that is estimated to have left between 800,000 and 1,071,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus dead at the hands of organized bands of militias unfolded. In the wake of the Rwandan Genocide, the United Nations and the international community in general drew severe criticism for its inaction.

Despite international news media coverage of the violence as it unfolded, most countries, including France, Belgium, and the United States, declined to intervene or speak out against the massacres. Only Belgium had asked for a strong UNAMIR mandate, but after the gruesome murder of the ten Belgian peacekeepers protecting the Prime Minister in early April, Belgium pulled out of the peacekeeping mission.

Mostly because most other countries sold arms to the Rwandans prior to the event.

Simply saying that armed forces and the people in them are stupid, mindless killers is a gross simplification of the reality we face in the world.

Furthermore it is good that armed forces exist, because only then can they be accountable for their actions, that is why there is the ROE document. If no armies existed that would give rise to private armies and mercenaries, that ARE NOT accountable for their actions, see PMC presence in Iraq.

I will look out for that Dalai Lama from now on. I mean, look at the 20th Century alone . . .Chinese Communists don't have a religion, the Nazis banned religion, the Soviets under Lenin and Stalin also were of the religion is the stupid opiate school . . .and they all racked up impressive body counts

And at the same time, OF COURSE there are many purely religious nutjobs who kill people and break things -- Charles Taylor in Liberia/Sierra Leone, Hutus in Rwanda, Muslims in Sudan and Congo, Bin Laden, name your favorite radical Muslim sect in dozens of countries in the Middle East, Zionist settlers, etc. etc.

But it, i.e. fucking the world, requires a number of elements beyond merely theism or atheism. It requires political, nationalistic, and military ideologies as well as a willingness on the part of other nations to look the other way to protect their economic interests. And what is so tiresome and lazy is this repetitive exchange:

Theist: You don't Believe in Jesus and I can't listen to you because you are damned to Hell.
Atheist: Well, you are stupid and you have fucked up the world.

Ad hominem ad nauseum