>> ^Deano:

>> ^chingalera:
>> ^Deano:
Well what precisely is skillful about this clip? Looks like a guy doing interpretative dance - slowly.

Thia guy pretty much single-handedly fast-tracked western cultures on the road to Chinese martial arts development-As well as being an extremely fluid practitioner of Wing Chun, he was able to transmute the art across time and space in his lifetime to what we know of today as the evolution of Kung Fu.
It qualifies dude, take my word for it.

Like some other submissions the problem is the skill is implied but not shown. I'm sure the dude is awesome but we need to see him doing something awesome.


I think in this case, to be the judge of whether he is doing something skillful you'd need to be versed in the forms he is displaying.

>> ^chingalera:

>> ^Deano:
Well what precisely is skillful about this clip? Looks like a guy doing interpretative dance - slowly.

Thia guy pretty much single-handedly fast-tracked western cultures on the road to Chinese martial arts development-As well as being an extremely fluid practitioner of Wing Chun, he was able to transmute the art across time and space in his lifetime to what we know of today as the evolution of Kung Fu.
It qualifies dude, take my word for it.


Like some other submissions the problem is the skill is implied but not shown. I'm sure the dude is awesome but we need to see him doing something awesome.

>> ^Deano:

Well what precisely is skillful about this clip? Looks like a guy doing interpretative dance - slowly.


Thia guy pretty much single-handedly fast-tracked western cultures on the road to Chinese martial arts development-As well as being an extremely fluid practitioner of Wing Chun, he was able to transmute the art across time and space in his lifetime to what we know of today as the evolution of Kung Fu.

It qualifies dude, take my word for it.

>> ^Locque:

>> ^robv:
I'm no expert but it also looks real to me. My dad was always about pressure points. Which made for occasionally painful roughhousing. I wonder how this guy would handle the whole crazy knife wielding attacker thing -
http://videosift.com/video/What-knife-fights-are-really-like
>> ^Locque:
This looks fake, or exaggerated to me. The constant flinching and dropping/groaning would make him a serious asshole for inflicting such pain unnecessarily, but it also seems reminiscent of the wing chun tap-tap-tap style of fighting, which isn't really effectve, afaik, although this guy seems to target perhaps more legitimate pressure points,but I wouldn't know, I'm far from an expert. Either way, this triggered my sceptic alarm.


>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^Locque:
This looks fake, or exaggerated to me. The constant flinching and dropping/groaning would make him a serious asshole for inflicting such pain unnecessarily, but it also seems reminiscent of the wing chun tap-tap-tap style of fighting, which isn't really effectve, afaik, although this guy seems to target perhaps more legitimate pressure points,but I wouldn't know, I'm far from an expert. Either way, this triggered my sceptic alarm.

I do think he's properly hitting the guy though. And he's hitting some pretty delicate places too. Catching the liver is seriously uncomfortable. I think the hits are real and i think the reactions are real but whether this would be any use i have no idea. I mean we can all have someone stand there whilst we hit them and cause pain, that's not the hard bit

Watch how he reacts when hit in the bicep. I've taken some heavy blows to the bicep like that while studying under some less legitimate teachers, and the reaction's never been as strong as it was for that guy. I'm such a novice that I honestly can't call this for being BS or ineffective, but this still has alarm bells ringing. Other stuff, like being punched in the ribs or smacked in the throat, are kinda no-brainers, they do hurt. Although the guy being repeatedly dropped by that punch in the abdomen through the shield still seems exaggerated.


My take is that one shouldn't be too quick to refute this. All my watching of martial arts/self-defence clips suggests that the highly trained know how to apply force precisely, quickly and very effectively.

>> ^robv:

I'm no expert but it also looks real to me. My dad was always about pressure points. Which made for occasionally painful roughhousing. I wonder how this guy would handle the whole crazy knife wielding attacker thing -
http://videosift.com/video/What-knife-fights-are-really-like
>> ^Locque:
This looks fake, or exaggerated to me. The constant flinching and dropping/groaning would make him a serious asshole for inflicting such pain unnecessarily, but it also seems reminiscent of the wing chun tap-tap-tap style of fighting, which isn't really effectve, afaik, although this guy seems to target perhaps more legitimate pressure points,but I wouldn't know, I'm far from an expert. Either way, this triggered my sceptic alarm.



>> ^dannym3141:

>> ^Locque:
This looks fake, or exaggerated to me. The constant flinching and dropping/groaning would make him a serious asshole for inflicting such pain unnecessarily, but it also seems reminiscent of the wing chun tap-tap-tap style of fighting, which isn't really effectve, afaik, although this guy seems to target perhaps more legitimate pressure points,but I wouldn't know, I'm far from an expert. Either way, this triggered my sceptic alarm.

I do think he's properly hitting the guy though. And he's hitting some pretty delicate places too. Catching the liver is seriously uncomfortable. I think the hits are real and i think the reactions are real but whether this would be any use i have no idea. I mean we can all have someone stand there whilst we hit them and cause pain, that's not the hard bit


Watch how he reacts when hit in the bicep. I've taken some heavy blows to the bicep like that while studying under some less legitimate teachers, and the reaction's never been as strong as it was for that guy. I'm such a novice that I honestly can't call this for being BS or ineffective, but this still has alarm bells ringing. Other stuff, like being punched in the ribs or smacked in the throat, are kinda no-brainers, they do hurt. Although the guy being repeatedly dropped by that punch in the abdomen through the shield still seems exaggerated.

I'm no expert but it also looks real to me. My dad was always about pressure points. Which made for occasionally painful roughhousing. I wonder how this guy would handle the whole crazy knife wielding attacker thing -

http://videosift.com/video/What-knife-fights-are-really-like

>> ^Locque:

This looks fake, or exaggerated to me. The constant flinching and dropping/groaning would make him a serious asshole for inflicting such pain unnecessarily, but it also seems reminiscent of the wing chun tap-tap-tap style of fighting, which isn't really effectve, afaik, although this guy seems to target perhaps more legitimate pressure points,but I wouldn't know, I'm far from an expert. Either way, this triggered my sceptic alarm.

>> ^Locque:

This looks fake, or exaggerated to me. The constant flinching and dropping/groaning would make him a serious asshole for inflicting such pain unnecessarily, but it also seems reminiscent of the wing chun tap-tap-tap style of fighting, which isn't really effectve, afaik, although this guy seems to target perhaps more legitimate pressure points,but I wouldn't know, I'm far from an expert. Either way, this triggered my sceptic alarm.


I do think he's properly hitting the guy though. And he's hitting some pretty delicate places too. Catching the liver is seriously uncomfortable. I think the hits are real and i think the reactions are real but whether this would be any use i have no idea. I mean we can all have someone stand there whilst we hit them and cause pain, that's not the hard bit

This looks fake, or exaggerated to me. The constant flinching and dropping/groaning would make him a serious asshole for inflicting such pain unnecessarily, but it also seems reminiscent of the wing chun tap-tap-tap style of fighting, which isn't really effectve, afaik, although this guy seems to target perhaps more legitimate pressure points,but I wouldn't know, I'm far from an expert. Either way, this triggered my sceptic alarm.

>> ^Jinx:

I did a little Ju Jitsu. I'd expect the throws would be completely useless in a confined space. The knowledge of how to escape a choke hold or how to effectively disarm an opponent would probably be quite useful though, as would arm locks etc. Even comprehensive martial arts training can only do so much and I imagine when you have no room to move then brute force and weight advantage matters more.
The fact they chose Wing Chun seems to me to have more to do with PR than safety. Its a elegant martial art and it fits the image, but I wonder if there are simple more effective techniques that would probably give them better self defence.


Maybe Krav Maga? Bruce Lee did ok with his take on Wing Chun.

I did a little Ju Jitsu. I'd expect the throws would be completely useless in a confined space. The knowledge of how to escape a choke hold or how to effectively disarm an opponent would probably be quite useful though, as would arm locks etc. Even comprehensive martial arts training can only do so much and I imagine when you have no room to move then brute force and weight advantage matters more.

The fact they chose Wing Chun seems to me to have more to do with PR than safety. Its a elegant martial art and it fits the image, but I wonder if there are simple more effective techniques that would probably give them better self defence.

I have a friend who was well trained in Wing Chun (male) and although yes there is some legitimacy in regards to balance, center line etc, the reality was that he was mostly effective due to the distribution of his mass/weight and often only against those who couldn't fight or more specifically didn't know how to defend.

I don't see much mass in these hostesses and given my experience, I don't believe they would be reliably effective against most decent sized untrained male opponents with this style alone, especially when the situation gets to the floor as most aggressive interactions inevitably do.

To provide a comparison, one of my friends has trained in Karate since he was 6 years old, went on to Tae Kwon Do, Boxing, a few others, then heavily into Mixed Martial Arts about 8 years ago and now trains with professional MMA fighters. As far back as a decade ago my Wing Chun (no other martial arts) friend couldn't do shit to him if his life depended on it.

Why?
Wing Chun focuses on blocking and controlling your opponents movements with pressure points and shifting your opponents weight, and this really doesn't cut it in real situations when your opponent isn't trying to hug you into submission, or when a punch just needs to slip though and connect with the base of your chin for a KO, or a lucky hit that simply takes you to the ground.

Now, I'm not saying this idea is completely dangerously delusional, i think it's a good idea in principle to train airline staff including pilots, but feel they are doing it less than effectively as they could.

The point I'm making is that any 1 martial arts is simply not effectively reliable in most confrontational situations due to most/all martial arts having a fair bit of bullshit inter-weaved with legitimate capabilities.

** If airlines are going to train/encourage hostesses to intervene with dangerous individuals they should be teaching the genuinely proven to be effective portions of various martial arts.. to which Wing Chun would play a role imo for upright close combat, but also focusing on some aspects of Judo for take-downs and take-down-defense & Brazilian Jiu Jitsu for when the shit hits the mat, which are all great arts for females and males alike as technique is the key and an individuals power isn't a primary focus for any of these.

Good on them for taking the initiative.

More women time on video, chun-li especially.

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