I wonder how regularly he has to replace his human dummy.

>> ^radx:

I wonder how regularly he has to replace his human dummy.


Indeed. Nice that he offers recuperative massages.

We're going to need another Timmy!

This looks fake, or exaggerated to me. The constant flinching and dropping/groaning would make him a serious asshole for inflicting such pain unnecessarily, but it also seems reminiscent of the wing chun tap-tap-tap style of fighting, which isn't really effectve, afaik, although this guy seems to target perhaps more legitimate pressure points,but I wouldn't know, I'm far from an expert. Either way, this triggered my sceptic alarm.

>> ^Locque:

This looks fake, or exaggerated to me. The constant flinching and dropping/groaning would make him a serious asshole for inflicting such pain unnecessarily, but it also seems reminiscent of the wing chun tap-tap-tap style of fighting, which isn't really effectve, afaik, although this guy seems to target perhaps more legitimate pressure points,but I wouldn't know, I'm far from an expert. Either way, this triggered my sceptic alarm.


I do think he's properly hitting the guy though. And he's hitting some pretty delicate places too. Catching the liver is seriously uncomfortable. I think the hits are real and i think the reactions are real but whether this would be any use i have no idea. I mean we can all have someone stand there whilst we hit them and cause pain, that's not the hard bit

I'm no expert but it also looks real to me. My dad was always about pressure points. Which made for occasionally painful roughhousing. I wonder how this guy would handle the whole crazy knife wielding attacker thing -

http://videosift.com/video/What-knife-fights-are-really-like

>> ^Locque:

This looks fake, or exaggerated to me. The constant flinching and dropping/groaning would make him a serious asshole for inflicting such pain unnecessarily, but it also seems reminiscent of the wing chun tap-tap-tap style of fighting, which isn't really effectve, afaik, although this guy seems to target perhaps more legitimate pressure points,but I wouldn't know, I'm far from an expert. Either way, this triggered my sceptic alarm.

edited, meant to be a reply.

>> ^robv:

I'm no expert but it also looks real to me. My dad was always about pressure points. Which made for occasionally painful roughhousing. I wonder how this guy would handle the whole crazy knife wielding attacker thing -
http://videosift.com/video/What-knife-fights-are-really-like
>> ^Locque:
This looks fake, or exaggerated to me. The constant flinching and dropping/groaning would make him a serious asshole for inflicting such pain unnecessarily, but it also seems reminiscent of the wing chun tap-tap-tap style of fighting, which isn't really effectve, afaik, although this guy seems to target perhaps more legitimate pressure points,but I wouldn't know, I'm far from an expert. Either way, this triggered my sceptic alarm.



>> ^dannym3141:

>> ^Locque:
This looks fake, or exaggerated to me. The constant flinching and dropping/groaning would make him a serious asshole for inflicting such pain unnecessarily, but it also seems reminiscent of the wing chun tap-tap-tap style of fighting, which isn't really effectve, afaik, although this guy seems to target perhaps more legitimate pressure points,but I wouldn't know, I'm far from an expert. Either way, this triggered my sceptic alarm.

I do think he's properly hitting the guy though. And he's hitting some pretty delicate places too. Catching the liver is seriously uncomfortable. I think the hits are real and i think the reactions are real but whether this would be any use i have no idea. I mean we can all have someone stand there whilst we hit them and cause pain, that's not the hard bit


Watch how he reacts when hit in the bicep. I've taken some heavy blows to the bicep like that while studying under some less legitimate teachers, and the reaction's never been as strong as it was for that guy. I'm such a novice that I honestly can't call this for being BS or ineffective, but this still has alarm bells ringing. Other stuff, like being punched in the ribs or smacked in the throat, are kinda no-brainers, they do hurt. Although the guy being repeatedly dropped by that punch in the abdomen through the shield still seems exaggerated.

>> ^Locque:

>> ^robv:
I'm no expert but it also looks real to me. My dad was always about pressure points. Which made for occasionally painful roughhousing. I wonder how this guy would handle the whole crazy knife wielding attacker thing -
http://videosift.com/video/What-knife-fights-are-really-like
>> ^Locque:
This looks fake, or exaggerated to me. The constant flinching and dropping/groaning would make him a serious asshole for inflicting such pain unnecessarily, but it also seems reminiscent of the wing chun tap-tap-tap style of fighting, which isn't really effectve, afaik, although this guy seems to target perhaps more legitimate pressure points,but I wouldn't know, I'm far from an expert. Either way, this triggered my sceptic alarm.


>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^Locque:
This looks fake, or exaggerated to me. The constant flinching and dropping/groaning would make him a serious asshole for inflicting such pain unnecessarily, but it also seems reminiscent of the wing chun tap-tap-tap style of fighting, which isn't really effectve, afaik, although this guy seems to target perhaps more legitimate pressure points,but I wouldn't know, I'm far from an expert. Either way, this triggered my sceptic alarm.

I do think he's properly hitting the guy though. And he's hitting some pretty delicate places too. Catching the liver is seriously uncomfortable. I think the hits are real and i think the reactions are real but whether this would be any use i have no idea. I mean we can all have someone stand there whilst we hit them and cause pain, that's not the hard bit

Watch how he reacts when hit in the bicep. I've taken some heavy blows to the bicep like that while studying under some less legitimate teachers, and the reaction's never been as strong as it was for that guy. I'm such a novice that I honestly can't call this for being BS or ineffective, but this still has alarm bells ringing. Other stuff, like being punched in the ribs or smacked in the throat, are kinda no-brainers, they do hurt. Although the guy being repeatedly dropped by that punch in the abdomen through the shield still seems exaggerated.


My take is that one shouldn't be too quick to refute this. All my watching of martial arts/self-defence clips suggests that the highly trained know how to apply force precisely, quickly and very effectively.

^ Yeah. I mean, imagine spending all of your waking hours learning that, in the same way as anyone else might have a job?

>> ^Deano:

My take is that one shouldn't be too quick to refute this. All my watching of martial arts/self-defence clips suggests that the highly trained know how to apply force precisely, quickly and very effectively.


>> ^dannym3141:

^ Yeah. I mean, imagine spending all of your waking hours learning that, in the same way as anyone else might have a job?



I know, I've been studying martial arts for a long time, from teachers I now recognise to be charlatans, others I know now to be misguided, and guys now that currently have me convinced their style and training method is optimal. I'm not outright calling this fake- I don't know enough to do so. But I'd definitely be suspicious that the acting is being hammed up for the video to make the techniques appear more effective against a determined attacker than they might otherwise be in real life. Just as you guys say don't be so quick to dismiss, I'd counter with "Don't be so quick to believe." I've had teachers who could make me flinch in agony with little effort showcasing their techniques, but who I am pretty sure were we to meet right now, as out of shape as I am, I'd probably win if we fought.
On a lighter note: HELP! I'M TRAPPED IN HERE! SOMEONE TEACH ME ABOUT FORMATTING!

Best I can do! Formatting of comments can go horribly wrong...
I think Danny's replies are at the bottom but you can put them at the top. This is why the order here looks a bit odd.

Missing BR tag before "I know" by the way.


>> ^Locque:
I know, I've been studying martial arts for a long time, from teachers I now recognise to be charlatans, others I know now to be misguided, and guys now that currently have me convinced their style and training method is optimal. I'm not outright calling this fake- I don't know enough to do so. But I'd definitely be suspicious that the acting is being hammed up for the video to make the techniques appear more effective against a determined attacker than they might otherwise be in real life. Just as you guys say don't be so quick to dismiss, I'd counter with "Don't be so quick to believe." I've had teachers who could make me flinch in agony with little effort showcasing their techniques, but who I am pretty sure were we to meet right now, as out of shape as I am, I'd probably win if we fought.
On a lighter note: HELP! I'M TRAPPED IN HERE! SOMEONE TEACH ME ABOUT FORMATTING!


>> ^Deano:
My take is that one shouldn't be too quick to refute this. All my watching of martial arts/self-defence clips suggests that the highly trained know how to apply force precisely, quickly and very effectively.



>> ^dannym3141:
^ Yeah. I mean, imagine spending all of your waking hours learning that, in the same way as anyone else might have a job?