Upvote fer da homies. Anaheim represent!

>> ^jwray:
A dumb, uneducated poor man without family connections has four choices, roughly in order of preference:
1. Conforming to every whim of a corporation in exchange for just enough money to survive (and not enough to get an education or proper healthcare). This is better than slavery, but not a whole lot better.
2. The dole (maybe)
3. Theft
4. Starving to death

If economic shit hits the fan and #1 is not available, #2 better be available, or else #3 is inevitable. I'm not saying it's justified, but it's sure as hell inevitable.
Edit:
There is no such thing as counter-causal free will. But that is irrelevant to the criminal justice system because the only rational purpose of punishment is as disincentive to harmful behaviors. In circumstances of extreme starvation (or drug withdrawal, which is the similar psychologically) no punishment is adequate disincentive, therefore the only effective way to prevent theft in those circumstances is to prevent such circumstances through restructuring of welfare and charity programs.


Or you do as many people I know personally: move into a trailer with 4-6 of your relatives/friends. I've been spending some time hanging out with friends who live in a trailer park near Anaheim. These guys who share a trailer all work for either Aeromark or Disneyland, both of which pay pretty shitty but at least they can live.

Oh, that's right, I remember why I was over there: They also make money selling drugs. So, yeah, there's a 5th solution.

Current rescheduling:

Saturday, January 10, 2009 at 4:00pm at Red Lion Tavern located at
2366 Glendale Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90039:

CONFIRMED
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blankfist: Los Angeles
DystopianFutureToday: OC
IssyKitty: Anaheim
Lucky760: OC
Charms: OC
DarkRowan: OC
youdiejoe: Los Angeles
Grimm: Stanton (OC)
waxxx: San Diego
GreatBird: San Diego
volumptuous: within stumbling distance

UNCONFIRMED
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Jordass: The Valley
gourmetemu: on a hot date

NOT ATTENDING
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rottenseed: San Diego
YouLickMyWhat: San Diego
MarineGunrock: Arizona
LittleRed: Arizona
Ant: Los Angeles
Jonny: Huntington Beach (OC)

(Note that I moved the time to 4:00pm because it's going to be an hour drive or more for some of us and we don't want everyone to have to rush out too soon for the long drive back home.)

Sorry to hear that MG and LR. But glad everyone else can make it. Great that you can attend, darkrowan. Very happy rescheduling will work.

So here's the new roll call:

Saturday, December 6, 2008 at 5:00pm at Red Lion Tavern located at
2366 Glendale Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90039:

WILL ATTEND
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blankfist: Los Angeles
youdiejoe: Los Angeles
GreatBird: San Diego
DarkRowan: OC
Lucky760: OC
Charms: OC
rottenseed: San Diego
YouLickMyWhat: San Diego
DystopianFutureToday: OC (tentative)

NO ANSWER TO RESCHEDULING YET
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waxxx: San Diego

ATTENDANCE UNSURE
-----------------
Grimm: Stanton (OC) (likely to attend)
IssyKitty: Anaheim (attendance still unclear)
Jonny: Huntington Beach (OC) (unlikely but might attend; out of town)

NOT ATTENDING
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MarineGunrock: Arizona
LittleRed: Arizona
Ant: Los Angeles

Sounds great!

So once again, here's the current roll call:

Saturday, November 22, 2008 at 5:00pm at Red Lion Tavern located at
2366 Glendale Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90039:

WILL ATTEND
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blankfist: Los Angeles
youdiejoe: Los Angeles
MarineGunrock: Arizona
GreatBird: San Diego
waxxx: San Diego

ATTENDANCE UNSURE
-----------------
Grimm: Stanton (OC) (likely to attend)
IssyKitty/DFT: Anaheim (attendance still unclear)
DarkRowan: Costa Mesa (OC) (attendance still unclear)
Jonny: Huntington Beach (OC) (unlikely but might attend; out of town)
Ant: Los Angeles (unlikely to attend; doesn't drive)

NOT ATTENDING
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LittleRed: Arizona (term paper due)
Lucky760: OC (out of town on business)
Charms: OC (out of town on business)
rottenseed: San Diego (unable to attend that weekend)
YouLickMyWhat: San Diego (unable to attend that weekend)

update: See below.

Thanks for the suggestions, bf.

Red Lion Inn sounds great, but the billiard also sounds like fun. I guess I'd lean to the latter, but I'm fine with whatever the majority prefers.

So here's the current roll call for Saturday, November 22, 2008 at ~5:00pm (?) in Los Angeles:

WILL ATTEND
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blankfist: Los Angeles - votes for Hollywood Billiards
rottenseed: San Diego - votes for ?
Lucky760+Charms: OC - votes for majority rule
youdiejoe: Los Angeles - votes for Red Lion Inn
MarineGunrock: Arizona - votes for Red Lion Inn
GreatBird: San Diego - votes for ?

ATTENDANCE UNSURE
-----------------
Grimm: Stanton (OC) (likely to attend)
IssyKitty/DFT: Anaheim (attendance still unclear)
DarkRowan: Costa Mesa (OC) (attendance still unclear)
Jonny: Huntington Beach (OC) (unlikely but might attend; out of town)
Ant: Los Angeles (unlikely to attend; doesn't drive)

DESTINATION TALLY
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Red Lion Inn: 2
Hollywood Billiards: 1

I'm a freelance musician/arranger/film composer/music teacher in my mid-30s from Anaheim, CA. My main instruments are drums and percussion, but I also play piano, guitar, theremin as well as many different weird, exotic, homemade and toy instruments. I love music of all genres and have been lucky enough to be able to perform and write in many styles - concert music, jazz, rock/pop, film, world, avant-garde/experimental, etc.

My career has allowed me to travel around the continental US, as well as Hawaii, Cannes, Paris, London and Taiwan, but would love to travel more. Scoring movies is what I like to do most, and what I'm best at, but I don't get to do it nearly as often as I'd like. I'm also a big gaming fan and would love to collaborate on experimental, abstract, musical, dark and/or avant-gard games - if any of the game industry peeps on the sift are interested, pm me.

Issy is my girl and we have two awesome kitties together, Isobel and Frankenbutt.

blankfist is Kato Kalin. (sorry to reveal your secret identity)

Issy and I are up for a sift up, but probably not until late November.

Also, Issy and I have moved from the LBC to Anaheim.

How about Disneyland in Anaheim?

Two other sifts about eminent domain that might interest you:

https://videosift.com/video/ReasonTV-Redevelopment-A-Tale-Of-Two-Cities

ReasonTV's Drew Carey compares Los Angeles's heavy handed approach by using eminent domain to give private land to private developers and Anaheim efforts to work cooperatively with the property owners without the threat of land seizure.


http://www.videosift.com/video/ReasonTV-National-City-Eminent-Domain-Gone-Wild

ReasonTV's Drew Carey visits National City, California where the city council pushes to use eminent domain to take private property in order to give to private developers to build new luxury condos.

Two other sifts about eminent domain that might interest you:

https://videosift.com/video/ReasonTV-Redevelopment-A-Tale-Of-Two-Cities

ReasonTV's Drew Carey compares Los Angeles's heavy handed approach by using eminent domain to give private land to private developers and Anaheim efforts to work cooperatively with the property owners without the threat of land seizure.


http://www.videosift.com/video/Cato-Instutite-Debate-Property-Rights21st-Century-America

An 86-minutes Cato Institute debate about the June 2005 Supreme Court decision essentially allowing eminent domain to be used to take land from private owners and give it to other private owners instead of solely for public use.

This reminds me of my last trip to the states. I was in a Fry's Electronics in Anaheim California. I usually like to make small talk with employees in other countries as I did with one girl stocking the shelves. It came up that my friends and I were from Alberta, she responds, and I quote: "Alberta? Where's that? Mexico?". I wouldn't have even expected her to point in out on a map, but I figured average Americans would have at least recognized Alberta as a Canadian Province, but hey, was I ever wrong.

How come Anaheim doesn't show this? Bah.

Gotta admire Bure's skill and play style. He did everything at full speed, which then led to an early end to his career after some nasty knee injuries. He was definitely the most exciting Canuck ever. The Canucks could sure use a game breaker like him in their current series against the Anaheim Ducks. So in the current playoff spirit *promote!

GO CANUCKS GO!

I saw "The Super Human Beast of the East" livin' it up in a strip club in Anaheim with his entourage about 5 years ago. LOL, Bolo rocks!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolo_Yeung