They seem to miss the point that it doesn't matter if god blessed Job more in his latter life, what matters is that a kind and loving god felt the need to prove something to the devil by letting the devil destroy that man's life. Who cares if god was right, it is a jerk thing to do, and not the actions of a god who loves his children.

God wasn't proving anything to Satan, He was acting as a Judge. Satan is like a prosecuting attorney in the court of God. Satan brought Job to trial by laying a false accusation against him, and Job was tested and tried and found innocent.

If that was a human dad who let some people in to destroy his children's lives they would condemn him, it is their dual standards. They let god get away with stuff they would find reprehensible in humans simply because some blokes thousands of years ago picked Jehovah out of a local pantheon and promoted him to the top spot. If they are young Earth creationists, they somehow ignore the part that says the Earth doesn't move and that the heavens move around it.

The problem with this analogy is that you're comparing God to a human being. God isn't like a human dad, he is God. He deals in matters of life and death, matters which extend to every human life. He is the sovereign King and Judge over this world. It is His job to bring judgement, and to decide the course of life. He is the only one who could.

I also see that you're misinterpreting I Chronicles 16:30. It's fairly clear it is saying that nothing is going to move the Earth off its course, not that it doesn't move.

Despite cultures being over 6,000 years old, trees being over 6,000 years old, not to mention stars billions of years away, somehow all that was put in place by God to full the wise and make the believers rely on faith... again a jerk move. It is like the dirty cop who plants evidence against an innocent man, but here it is god so it is okay.

This idea that God plants evidence is a myth, and the people who perpetrate it are the same kind of people who think that Satan rules in hell. No one has a handle on distant starlight; it is a problem with big bang cosmology, check out the "horizon problem". Tree ring dating, much like radiocarbon dating, is predicated on unprovable assumptions, such as a constant rate of growth. The specific trees you are talking about have been proven to grow multiple rings per year in drought conditions and in other circumstances. You say that there are cultures that go beyond 6000 years but its funny that written history only begins around 4000 years ago.

It is also funny that written history begins with advanced civilizations that suddenly spring into existence out of nowhere. You would think if we had been around for 100k years after evolving, there would be 100k years of history, cities, civilizations, etc..but it isn't there. It is much like the cambrian explosion where every major animal body type suddenly sprang into existence into the fossil record. All the major families, orders, classes, and phyla can all be found there, which turns darwinian theory on its head. Which is why they came up with "punctuated equilibrium", which is theory that explains that the reason there is no evidence for transitional forms in the fossil record is because reptiles laid eggs that would sometimes hatch birds. This is also known as the hopeful monster theory.

They ignore the documented evidence of copy errors made in the Bible while it was a written piece, let alone the errors that would have cropped up while it was a verbal tradition. Who cares if the story of the woman at the well doesn't appear in any copies of John, or the commentaries on it, for hundreds of years after the earliest copies of the book, it is there now, which means god wanted it there.

There is greater manuscript witness for the New Testament than any other historical document. The accuracy and integrity of the copies is proven, with over 24000 manuscripts for the NT alone. We can see from the earliest to the latest there is very little discrepency. The same is proven for the OT, when the dead sea scrolls were found. There was virtually no difference in copies with over thousand years between them. In regards to the woman at the well, I have failed to find any controversy about it.

And the hundreds of other biblical texts that were existed when the books of the bible were picked were not discarded for the social/political reasons they appear to have been ignored, but because the books that are there now are the only ones god wanted, and those guys were divinely led to pick just those ones... of course the Catholics or the Protestants have it wrong since their versions don't match. Still, it many cases, save for the King James only crowd, it is okay to use newly found, more reliable texts in modern translations, but still ignore other texts found at the same time.

There isn't any conspiracy. The texts you are referring to were either written by pagans, the gnostics, or were always known to be heretical. Feel free to bring up any examples and I will show you works that have been thoroughly discredited from the outset.

I look at shame during my blind faith period. I would point out all the typical talking points, and get angry at those who challenged what I perceived as the truth. I was never a young earth creationist, but would still point out the stupid things even old earth creationists like pointing out, not caring that those points have been disproved over and over again. I went from Republican to Libertarian and would get mad at the lazy out of work people on welfare and the poor for believing the lies of the liberals and the Democrats, thinking if only they would educate themselves on the truth, they would see the Republicans and Libertarians were their best hope.

It sounds like you were raised in the faith and only believed because of what other people told you. Then, when your faith was challenged by the unbelieving secular world, you fell away because you had no foundation.

Then I did something, I opened my mind. I started watching the sources of information. They said in church and on right wing media that the Constitution doesn't say "separation of church and state" and that comes from a letter by Thomas Jefferson, true enough, but then they said that if you actually read that letter, you'll see that he was talking about keeping the government out of church affairs not the other way around. And I repeated that for years. Then, during my awakening, I actually read the letter in full context, I read the original drafts, and I realized they lied. He clearly was talking about keeping the church out of government. I also read the bible critically for the first time, not just accepting the traditional meaning. I saw Jesus as a man who hung out with the sinners, and cared about the poor and sick, and keeping what belonged to god just to god and what belonged to the government with the government.

Even the most unkind and biased analysis of the founders intentions will be forced to conclude that they intended to found this nation on biblical principles. Do you think our freedoms being based on unalienable rights granted by our Creator are just mere words? Or are they the foundation?

this nation was founded not by religionists, but by christians, not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ

Patrick Henry

You are correct about one thing. The church is completely apostate, and has strayed far from the teachings of our Lord. You cannot frame Jesus as a mere man, however. He claimed to be God, the judge of the living and the dead, and the Savior of this world.

All things 100% opposite of what the church, the Republicans and Libertarians seemed to be promoting. I noticed how the bible in Genesis call god...well, god, and then in Psalms, the exact same word is suddenly translated as Angels, because it talks about how god lifted us up to be level with him, and that won't do, we are below god and with the angels... and more and more I noticed that while we are not Jesus, we are equal heirs, and equal children, which doesn't take away any of the majesty, but again pointed to deception on the part of the church leadership. I then noticed other biblical contradictions, and started studying the origins of Christianity and how similar it was to much older religions.

Perhaps you missed these passages?:

Romans 8:17

And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Galatians 4:7 So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, God has made you also an heir.

No, we are not Jesus, but we are co-heirs and sons. Again, there isn't any conspiracy. As far as the translation of Elohim, this has led to many errors. Check out http://www.gci.org/God/Elohim2

How the Israelites, while in captivity in Babylon, would have known about the Babylonian god of the harvest who sacrificed himself and resurrected... and boy this seems to be a reoccurring theme among ancient pre-Christian religions, a god, sometimes mono-theistic, sacrificing himself for mankind...

Sounds like you've seen Zeitgeist, which is filled with actual bald faced, blatant lies. For example, it makes a connection between Jesus and the various sun gods by drawing a parallel between the word "son" and "sun". The problem with this connection is that they are only similiar words in the English langauge, and not in the langauges of the time. The connection between Jesus and the so-called dying and rising gods in paganism has been thoroughly debunked. Watch:



I went to a pagan service with an open mind and had the same deep, spiritual, emotional connection that I had at the most charismatic of Christian churches... and things started clicking, this whole thing... is fake.

It's no wonder that you had the same spiritual experience in charismatic churches as you did at pagan rituals. That's because they're fueled by the same spirit, which is *not* from God:



I read more, became more educated, and realized the deep and purposeful misleading of the faithful, and my switch became complete. Now I get angry at the Republicans and Libertarians and the religious leaders who keep their flocks in ignorance, while making them think they are free thinking people by controlling the information and encouraging a wrong view of the information that is there..

Even if by some miracle I came to have faith in god again, I could never go back to church again. The lies and nonacceptance of potent truth is just too much. They don't even believe what Jesus himself taught, which was love and compassion, the modern day church is the Pharisees that he campaigned against

Friend, what you never realized is how true this verse is:

Revelation 12:9

And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

Just as 2+2 has an innumerable number of wrong answers, there are uncountable lies and deceptions, half-truths and myths about Jesus Christ. They are in the church and they are outside the church. All you've done is just go to the other extreme but you still have no idea who Jesus really is.

What you've missed is that to know Jesus is God is to know Him personally. It isn't merely believe what the bible says, it is to invite Him into your heart, to mold you, to change you, and to accept His Lordship over your entire life.

You're right about one thing. To be restored to faith in God would be a miracle, because faith is a gift from God. If you want to know the truth, then ask Him. Pray to Jesus, invite Him into your life, and ask Him to show what the truth really is. Once you know He is everything that He claimed to be, the rest will sort itself out.

>> ^RFlagg:believe what Jesus himself taught, which was love and compassion, the modern day church is the Pharisees that he campaigned against.
</preaching to the choir time

>> ^Bardaf:

Well, if it gets the same destiny of Family Guy and Futurama, we should see all the Bluth family back in a few years on Fox...
Even if it's not animated and that the actors will be older, and so on...
The faster you'll all buy DVDs, the faster it will be aired back...


>> ^kymbos:

There's a moooovie coming out.


Yeah, it sounds like it was hard enough getting everybody to do the much anticipated movie (slated for a 2012 release). Doesn't look like there's any hope of it returning as a series. Honestly, I'm okay with that. Don't get me wrong, I think the quality of both Family Guy and Futurama have stayed high despite their production gaps; but I just don't think a live action cast could come back without missing a beat the way an animated cast can. Of course, don't let that stop you from buying the DVD's. Seriously, everyone go buy the box set right now.

You have been awarded 1 Power Point for fixing the embed code for Dead Pool video Sammy Davis Jr meets Archie Bunker (All in the Family) - 2. Thank you for helping maintain VideoSift's reliability.

If we want to be true to scripture, then Stephen Baldwin needs to have all of his family and worldly possessions destroyed by God, and to remain faithful in spite of this. If this happens, I promise to paypal Stephen Baldwin $20.

^"Some people may need a religious or religious-like structure to be good, but most don't."

I don't think that is why people are drawn to religion at all. All the religious people I know -- whatever the faith, including New Age woo woo stuff -- seem to be searching for a framework to view life and to give them comfort and support.

For some, that becomes extremely rigid and fundamentalist and is the source of most of the bad stuff from religion. It comforts some people to think that they have the answer and others don't.

Just as it comforts some to bash religion so hard. You know, that is just the flip side of religion -- just as rigid and fundamentalist in their belief that THEY are right.

My brother became a Mormon after going, as a tourist, to the Temple in Salt Lake City. He told me of the huge, beautiful murals in the Temple, all with happy families. Our own family was typically dysfunctional, and my brother was drawn to those images. They were important to him. So he became a Mormon.

Later, in one of the few times he tried to prosyletize me, he said -- they tell me things I have trouble believing. But I choose to have faith.

My brother needed religion to get through this life. It worked for him, he was willing to make the trade-offs between logic and faith, because he needed faith to survive. He has been married almost forty years and he has four grown children who seem to be functioning well, when other kids in the neighborhood weren't so successful.

Just because you don't need that structure and comfort, I don't see why you want to denigrate those who choose it.

And yes, yes, for pity's sake, yes, I know bad things are done in the name of religion. What I am trying to get across is that good things are also done. And I think it is pretty dang weird that ya'll don't just say "yes, some good things are done, isn't that great" and let it lie.

You realize that you sound just as whacko as any True Believer who insists you are wrong for not believing the way they do, don't you? I mean honestly. Look in the mirror and see the shared humanity. How are you different?

This is my crusade, by the way. No different than your crusade. Somehow, we have got to find some way to let others be different than us without it being some sort of sin. Sin against God or sin against logic.

I don't believe in evil or sin. I believe in humanity, with all its warts and all its glories.

i see all my dead family members when i hear this song.

Also amusing, this little dig from a food review of the diner:

"My coworker Joe and I chose this restaurant for a special celebratory lunch in honor of all the success we've had in this tough economy. "Hey Joe," I said, "We've been living pretty large since January thanks to all our new friends in the banks and the defense business. I'm worried that the normal folks, you know, all those poor families losing their homes and jobs and such will start realizing that we've sold out on them. So let's do something typical, something normal Americans can relate to in order to distract them from the success we've had at a time when they all are suffering." So we called up our motorcade, just like typical Americans do when they go out to lunch, and headed out to Ray's Hell Burgers, a restaurant featuring the type of burgers typical Americans eat - you know, burgers with foie gras, truffle oil, normal burger toppings. We may have sold out, but our burger run in our limos for some foie gras proves that we're still in touch with the regular guy on the street, doesn't it?"

>> ^deathcow:
> damn its like a "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" type musical affair,
> they are pretty F'ing serious about their musical numbers I guess

uhh. judging by the opening credits?

where the "All in the Family" song becomes
a big stage musical number?

Your video, RARE All In The Family - Those Were The Days - 1975 Version, has made it into the Top 15 New Videos listing. Congratulations on your achievement. For your contribution you have been awarded 1 Power Point.

1. I work for a video game company.
2. I'm pretty good at video games, but I don't play fighters.
3. Our "break" room has nothing but fighters: Street Fighter 3, 4 and Marvel Versus Capcom. We have a Wii, but it's always occupied with people playing Smash Bros. Brawl.
4. I once lived on someone's couch and went by the name Guitar Matt, because my name is Matt and all I did was play Guitar Hero.
5. I'll probably work at the same company for the rest of my life.
6. I skate pools.
7. I did not choose my handle because of skateboarding.
8. I just started doing indoor rock climbing, because I'm tired of weight lifting. Ugh.
9. I spend a lot of time with PK Cali (Parkour California) and have met David Belle. On weekends you may see me crawling, climbing and jumping around UCLA, Fullterton college, or various California parks with old walls.
10. My body is always sore.
11. I probably have ADD.
12. Despite probably having ADD, I read a lot of books.
13. I cannot read one book for more than an hour, so I'm usually reading 5 to 10 books at a time.
14. I can't bring myself to study for anything. As such, I'll never finish college.
15. I did a lot of extracurricular activites in high school, despite having a C average -- or maybe that's why I had a C average.
16. Doing drugs has been the only way for me to concentrate. Unfortunatley it does not help me study. (I did not do drugs in high school, nor in college.)
17. I was in academic decathelon in high school because they needed a smart person with a C average. I won a lot of medals.
18. I was in drama and have written, directed and starred in several plays.
19. I was a film major until I realized the reality of filmmaking, namely the spending and aquiring of large sums of money.
20. The man who wrote and directed The Stewardesses, Allan Silliphant, is a family friend. His brother was Sterling Silliphant, who is best known for winning an Academy Award for In the Heat of the Night and being close friends with Bruce Lee.
21. Like my father, I am a jack of all trades and a master of none.
22. My grandfather was in the Navy and worked for General Dynamics during the Cold War, investigating missle silos. He told my father freaky stories about nuclear isotopes and communists hiding in closests. My uncle described my grandfather as being to the right of Archie Bunker. All in the Family was his favortie show, he said nigger a lot, owned a German Shepard and had several guns nearby at all times. He was also an atheist. Oddly enough, it was his atheism that my parents were scared of the most. "Grandpa's going to hell, son." If there's a hell, he'll probably be there, but not for being an atheist.
23. I'm not quite white trash, but I wouldn't be entirely uncomfortable living off the land in a shack full of automatic weapons, distrustful of the government, waiting for the revolution.
24. I'm neither religious nor rascist, nor am I an atheist. I just don't care.
25. I'm writing a book. My screenplays have never sold. One of my professors suggested I write a book, then write the screenplay for the book. Only problem is, I can't concentrate (which is why I wrote screenplays to begin with) so it's taking me forever. Ugh.
26. I have been drawing since conception and have been doing life drawing off and on for 8 years, but I don't see myself pursuing a career in it. It's just for fun -- which pretty much sums up my life.

>> ^HollywoodBob:
>> ^joedirt:
u.s.a. U.S.A. U.S.A. U.S.A.
Plus, you guys tried to copy The Office. I think the Brits might win with Faulty Towers and Mr. Bean

The Office was a Brit show first. We copied it and made it better. Though that's only the first time we've managed to do that, anyone else remember the Coupling debacle? Or the atrocious Life on Mars, The 11th Hour, or how about the Blackpool remake Viva Laughlin? All In the Family was even stolen from the BBC. We even steal their made for TV movies and make them into feature films.


1) He was being sarcastic.
2) Coupling was always shit
3) You definitely, definitely didn't make the office better. Just fucking no, don't even bother. That's an absolute travesty (walter)

>> ^joedirt:
u.s.a. U.S.A. U.S.A. U.S.A.
Plus, you guys tried to copy The Office. I think the Brits might win with Faulty Towers and Mr. Bean


The Office was a Brit show first. We copied it and made it better. Though that's only the first time we've managed to do that, anyone else remember the Coupling debacle? Or the atrocious Life on Mars, The 11th Hour, or how about the Blackpool remake Viva Laughlin? All In the Family was even stolen from the BBC. We even steal their made for TV movies and make them into feature films.

Ahhh i love this one. And yes it's true what the description says. I've been watching this on every single 31st of Dec as far back as i can remember. And so has all of my family and friends. I don't think theres anyone i know (at least in Germany) who doesn't know this one. And guess what i'll do tomorrow.. You got it. I'll sit with my family in front of the tellie and watch dinner for one. Same procedure as every year ;-)

Oh and in case you're wondering: Most of the public TV stations will air the show several times tomorrow, each station at a different time so there really is no excuse for missing it :-)

Films I watched Thursday:

• "Summerhood"
• "After Midnight"

So, what films did I miss?


NARRITIVE FEATURES
• “Alice's House”
• “The Axe in the Attic”
• “Before I Forget”
• “The Cake Eaters”
• “Dark Streets”
• “Dirty Politics”
• “The Exiles”
• “House of Cards”
• “The Man Who Came Back”
• “New Orleans Mon Amour”
• “The Secret Life of Bees”
• “Vows of Silence”
• “War Eagle, Arkansas”
• “Wendy & Lucy”

DOCUMENTARY FEATURES
• “'Bama Girl”
• “A Place to Dance”
• “A Ripple of Hope”
• “At The Death House Door”
• “Beyond Fear & Life Sentence”
• “The Big Question”
• “Change Come Knocking: the Story of the North Carolina Fund”
• “Chris & Don”
• “Crawford”
• “Heavy Load”
• “Indestructible”
• “Katrina's Children”
• “Little Immigrants”
• “Lou Reed's Berlin”
• “Member of the Club”
• “The Order of Myths”
• “Richard Serra: Thinking on Your Feet”
• “Spine Tingler! & Zietek”
• “Steal A Pencil for Me”
• “The Sweet Lady with the Nasty Voice”
• “Swing State”
• “Sync or Swim”
• “Toot Blues”
• “Up the Yangtze”
• “The Wrecking Crew”

SHORTS PROGRAM
• Doc Shorts Program 1: Overcoming Adversity
• Doc Shorts Program 2: Explorations
• Doc. Shorts Program 3: “Tales From the Heart”
• Doc. Shorts Program 4: “Memories and Memorials”
• Doc. Shorts Program 5: “Keeping the Music Alive”
• Experimental Program 1: films by Dominic Angerame
• Experimental Program 3: films from Canyon Cinema
• Experimental/Animated Program 3
• Narrative Shorts Program: No Kids Allowed!
• Narrative Shorts Program: “All in the Family”
• Narrative Shorts Program: Louisiana Films
• Narrative Shorts Program: “Deeper & Darker”
• Narrative Shorts Program: “On The Far Side”
• Narrative Shorts Program: “To Touch the Heart”
• Narrative Shorts Program: A Laugh a Minute
• Narrative Shorts Program: Life on the Edge

There were also panels, workshops, awards ceremonies, receptions and parties. I did well to see as many movies as I did. If you see a film on the list you recommend, let me know. I’m planning to add to my Blockbuster and Netflix queues. Some of these have not been released yet.

The festival finished Thursday night.

Anyway, I’m tired. % )

Why has nobody done a Sarah Palin vs. Beverly hill billies mashup? After all - all her kids have hill-billy names. Teen Pregnancy and KKK Boy friends is alls da the family.

Nobody loves a cousin-lover more than a small town Alaskan.

*thats right i went there, seemed like the right time and place. Bad Taste WIN*