Thank you sir!

In reply to this comment by radx:
The shape of things to come? Let's hope not. *promote

By the way, it was carried by 323 votes to 302.

The shape of things to come? Let's hope not. *promote

By the way, it was carried by 323 votes to 302.

Go see it this week.

Laemmle's Sunset 5
8000 Sunset Blvd., Los Angeles, CA - (323) 848-3500

Yeardley
‎1hr 30min‎‎ - Rated R‎‎ - Drama‎
1:00 3:10 5:20 7:40 10:00pm

I am genuinely disgusted by this man, if you can call him that. I did some simple Googling, and I found this list of funds that he's received from lobbyists:

Oil & Gas $1,448,380
Electric Utilities $1,361,985
Health Professionals $1,102,804
Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $797,738
Lawyers/Law Firms $556,415
TV/Movies/Music $503,349
Automotive $330,350
Chemical & Related Manufacturing $323,940
Lobbyists $323,000
Telephone Utilities $300,420
Insurance $282,199
Misc Manufacturing & Distributing $259,490
Real Estate $240,450
Retail Sales $237,130
Hospitals/Nursing Homes $227,384
Retired $227,272
Securities & Investment $224,208
Defense Aerospace $220,550
Commercial Banks $214,810
Computers/Internet $204,474

Also, from Wikipedia:

"During his political career, the industries that have been Barton's largest contributors were oil and gas ($1.4 million donated), electric utilities ($1.3 million) and health professionals ($1.1 million)[33] He is ranked first among members of the House of Representatives for the most contributions received from the oil and gas industry, and number five among all members of Congress. His largest corporate contributor, Anadarko Petroleum, owns a 25 percent share in the Macondo Prospect, the site of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.[34]"

>> ^bloodymario:

>> ^blutruth:
I would be especially worried if I owned a car that was mostly sold as front-wheel drive, but the one I owned was one of a few rare, all-wheel drive models(which I do).
Let me guess - Eclipse GSX?


Nope, but a good guess. Mazda 323 GTX. Only ~1300 sold in North America.

*backup=[...snipped...]

aqfl.net = $323,639

OH CRAP! TIME TO SELL!

Hey, DJ,
Hope all is well. Got an email back from the folks at RabbitHoles - the price is not shocking, I guess, but I was hoping for a little less.

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Hi Kev,
Thanks for your enthusiastic interest in RabbitHoles! The images that you are familiar with from our website and at SIGGRAPH are indeed for sale, I've attached a pricing guide for those products.
If you are interested in purchasing pieces from the Gnomon Gallery you can go to the online store at http://www.gnomongallery.com/store.html or contact them directly by phone at (323) 466-6663 or by e-mail at info@gnomongallery.com.
Let me know if you have any further questions.

-Carey
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I haven't uploaded a file in a while and don't have any webspace at the moment, so I tried a random site - let me know if you can get at the attachment via this link:

http://www.justupit.com/get.php?id=0cfcab9f509a064a1bdf2f266de1b872

Got an email back from the folks at RabbitHoles - the price is not shocking, I guess, but I was hoping for a little less.

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Hi Kev,
Thanks for your enthusiastic interest in RabbitHoles! The images that you are familiar with from our website and at SIGGRAPH are indeed for sale, I've attached a pricing guide for those products.
If you are interested in purchasing pieces from the Gnomon Gallery you can go to the online store at http://www.gnomongallery.com/store.html or contact them directly by phone at (323) 466-6663 or by e-mail at info@gnomongallery.com.
Let me know if you have any further questions.

-Carey
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I haven't uploaded a file in a while and don't have any webspace at the moment, so I tried a random site - let me know if you can get at the attachment via this link:

http://www.justupit.com/get.php?id=0cfcab9f509a064a1bdf2f266de1b872

>> ^thegrimsleeper:
Here you go. A very rough translation of the interview.
Also, just so
you know, his answers don't make much sense so the interview is also pretty bizarre...


Thank you so very much, thegrimsleeper! Very cool of you to translate!

I'd have to agree w/ you on the bizarreness, I mean, WTF? Einar seems an all around goofball...

Here you go. A very rough translation of the interview.
Also, just so you know, his answers don't make much sense so the interview is also pretty bizarre.

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-What is the band Kukl trying to say with it's music and it's lyrics?

It has been said that we mainly play songs about religion, sex and death.
That can be argued about if we want,
but we don't like arguing so we don't do that.
We are six different personalities in this band,
and we all come together under the name Kukl.
We believe that anybody can unite to do some specific hard work.
we are doing this.
The cero is our goal, to get up to the zero and when we get there, then we can move on.

-And from where do you get to the zero?

From where? we get there by recording our music, to do proper work or regular work.
And to be in touch with society.
It has happened many times that pop artists, when they get famous they loose touch with reality and
can't see anything exept themselves and the mirror. We are far away from that dream.



-This song you were playing here earlier wich is called Sálmur (psalm), what is it about?

Well, Sálmur. The song is called Sálmur 323 and it's mainly... what do you say?
I suppose we will be arrested for blasphemy, but I am god, you are god, everybody is god.
What we want to say is that nobody controls you but youself. Everybody is their own master.


-The band has been much more popular abroad than here home. How do you explain that?

The explanation is that there are just more people abroad. We are only about 220.000 or 230.000 here in Iceland. (Now it's more like 310.000 )
We are playing in cities with 220.000 people and cities with millions of people like: London, Paris, Berlin.
They also show more consideration for other kinds of music than some higer class music,
so it's more simple and often easier to get to play.
There are more places to play in and there is much wider interest in all stages of the society in the music we are playing.


-Is this music for a minority?

No, we are not a minority. We will be a majority in the end.

-What is happening with you now, isn't there a new album coming out soon?

Yes, this song we just heard, Sálmur 323, that will be on our first big LP album.
It will come out in February or March. We have also been asked to play in Italy over the Easter
and if all the members of Kukl can go to Italy then we will go. But if not then we won't go.
We also have an offer to play on Roskilde Festival in Denmark, which is the largest festial there.
And again if everybody can go then we will go.
We are not exactly a working band, we do this when we can, and only when we can. So we wait.
Time won't tell us anything, we can only find it out by ourselves.
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^ here you are JAPR with a little bit of context as to why those scientists would be upset over the issue of clissifying fluoride as an essential element. I am showing snippets from both sides so please read the entire letters for the fullest conext of what transpired between the two groups.

TWO UNANSWERED LETTERS
http://www.fluoride-journal.com/98-31-3/313-153.htm

the Dietary Reference Intakes report on calcium, magnesium, phosphorus, vitamin D, and fluoride prepared by the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences and scheduled for publication this month, contains a number of recommendations concerning fluoride that are cause for grave concern over their validity for setting public health policy. This concern has been heightened by statements made by speakers and panel members and their responses to queries at the recent September 23rd workshop on the report held at the National Academy of Sciences.

We, the undersigned, regard the problem as so serious that we are requesting you to take immediate steps to delete the fluoride section of the report and to have it re-addressed by a panel that includes members of the scientific community who are not committed to promoting or supporting fluoride use. What follows is a brief summary of the basis for our concern.

Of even greater concern, in relation to public health, is the proposal in the report that only the early stages of skeletal fluorosis are the appropriate criteria for fluoride intoxication. For this purpose a tolerable upper level ingestion limit of 10 milligrams of fluoride per day for 10 or more years in persons age 9 or older is proposed. But this level of intake is not tolerable, and, according to the sources cited in the report, it can and does lead to crippling skeletal fluorosis (Hodge, 1979). For young adults, assuming 50% retention of ingested fluoride in hard tissues, as stated on page 8-2 of the prepublication copy of the report, an absorbed intake of 10 mg/day amounts to a yearly accumulation of 1.8 grams or over 50 grams after 30 years. At this level debilitating skeletal fluorosis was observed by Raj Roholm in his classic studies of cryolite workers. But before this condition is reached, there are various pre-skeletal phases of fluoride intoxication with serious health implications that arise from much lower levels of intake, especially when calcium and magnesium are marginal, an aspect not considered in the report. Among these manifestations are increased hip-fracture among the elderly from deterioration in bone strength and quality (in agreement with long-term laboratory animal studies), increased osteosarcoma in young males (also demonstrated in male rats), chronic gastrointestinal irritation (reversible with decreased exposure to fluoride), and various neuromuscular disorders whose connection with fluoride has been well confirmed in peer-reviewed publications without convincing refutation. Recent studies showing decreased IQ scores correlating with dental fluorosis (again backed up by laboratory animal research) were also omitted from consideration.

When questioned at the workshop about these omissions, the speakers and the members of the panel became defensive and were unwilling or unable to explain why such findings had been excluded in setting the upper tolerance level of fluoride at 10 mg/day. From the record of some of the committee members' past promotion or support of fluoride use, including slow-release fluoride for treatment of osteoporosis (known to produce abnormal bone of inferior strength), these responses, although disappointing, are perhaps not too surprising. But, in such an important matter, should not at least some balance of viewpoint have been represented? As seen in the videotape (a copy of which has been sent to the Academy) the attitude of some of the presenters and panelists toward those who cited contrary data and questioned why such findings were not discussed can only be described as condescending and demeaning.
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http://www.fluoride-journal.com/99-32-3/323-187.htm

The two letters referred to at the beginning of the letter were also published in Fluoride 31(3) 153-157 August 1998.

In a separate letter from the National Academy of Sciences (NAS), also dated November 20, 1998, James Jensen, Director of the National Research Council Office of Congressional and Governmental Affairs of NAS, replied to an inquiry from Pennsylvania Senator Arlen Specter on behalf of one of his constituents, who wanted to know why my joint letter of October 15, 1997 to Dr. Bruce Alberts, President of NAS, had not received a reply. In his letter to Senator Specter, Mr. Jensen wrote:

"When Dr. Burgstahler’s letter on fluoridation [actually, it was about the proposed Dietary Reference Intake standards for fluoride and only indirectly about fluoridation] arrived at the Academy, a response was drafted but never sent out. There is little excuse for this, but this is what occurred. . . .

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NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES INSTITUTE OF MEDICINE (reply)
http://www.fluoride-journal.com/99-32-3/323-187.htm

We want to thank you and your co-signers for your October 15, 1997 letter to us concerning the Food and Nutrition Board’s (FNB) recent report, Dietary Reference Intakes for Calcium, Phosphorus, Magnesium, Vitamin D and Fluoride. The publication of the report represents the initial report of a major new activity of the FNB: the development of a comprehensive set of reference values for nutrients and food components of possible benefit to health, that may not meet the traditional concept of a nutrient. If adequate scientific data exist that support a health benefit from the inclusion of these components in the diet, reference intakes will be established.

In replying to your letter, we have consulted with the Committee that produced the FNB report and asked them to review the important points that you raised concerning their report and the associated workshop, as well as to explain why they have reached the conclusions they reached despite the information you cite.

First, let us reassure you with regard to one concern. Nowhere in the report is it stated that fluoride is an essential nutrient. If any speaker or panel member at the September 23rd workshop referred to fluoride as such, they misspoke. As was stated in Recommended Dietary Allowances 10th Edition, which we published in 1989: "These contradictory results do not justify a classification of fluoride as an essential element, according to accepted standards.

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Albert W. Burgstahler. Professor Emeritus of Chemistry, The University of Kansas (reply)
http://www.fluoride-journal.com/99-32-3/323-187.htm

But clearly, the average fluoride intake of an adult drinking water containing more than 10 ppm fluoride will very likely exceed 10 mg/day and therefore, according to Professor Whitford, would create a risk for crippling skeletal fluorosis, even in the United States and Canada. Why residents of these two countries supposedly do not develop skeletal fluorosis from levels of fluoride intake that are well known to cause it elsewhere is deftly shoved aside by citing studies in the U.S. that did not report finding it.

Equally disturbing in the Alberts-Shine letter is the unexplained jump of an "adequate" fluoride intake of only 0.01 mg/day for infants up to age six months to 0.05 mg/kg body weight/day for the second six months of life and thereafter. By age six months, a baby weighing 6-8 kg would therefore have an "adequate" fluoride intake of 0.3 to 0.4 mg/day – a 30- to 40-fold increase from the first six months to the second six months of life after birth! No such huge increase is proposed for any other dietary component.

As pointed out by Dr. John Yiamouyiannis at the end of the following letter, this 0.05 mg/kg/day figure for fluoride appears to be based on an effort to justify or "sanctify" water fluoridation. Thus, an average daily total fluoride intake of 3.5-mg by a 70-kg adult drinking 1-ppm fluoridated water amounts to 3.5 mg/70 kg/day or 0.05 mg/kg/day. And this is sound "scientific" thinking by the U.S. National Academy of Sciences?

In the end, however, all these considerations are moot, since the basis for setting an "adequate intake" of fluoride rests on its alleged ability to prevent tooth decay. But since any such dental benefit from fluoride, to whatever extent it exists, is now known to be largely topical and not systemic (from ingestion), how can there even be a daily "adequate intake"?

http://rpdaily.blogspot.com/2007/11/glenn-beck-calls-ron-paul-supporters.html

Glenn Back implied that any person who supports Ron Paul is a terrorist. Yes...thats bullshit, but this just means we are now in the attack phase of the campaign, and we'll see a ton more crap like this just because we are a real threat now.

So the best way to deal with this is not to attack Beck or CNN...we all know they are just trolling for attention. Beck's show has been sliding in the ratings, and its time to put the final nail in the coffin. Take 5 minutes out of your day, and contact any of the following companies...and tell them you'll boycott their products until they pull their advertisement from Beck's program.

We need to make an example out of Beck, for all future talking heads that will dare call Americans terrorists just because they are supporting Ron Paul.

Here is a list of advertisers who advertise on his program.
Marriot
Cialis x2 1-877-242-5471
U.S. Trust (part of Bank of America)
Verizon
Geico
Honda 800-999-1009
Lunesta
American Express x3 877-890-2639
Garmin
Schwab Bank 866-855-9102
Leaglzoom 323-962-8600 or 800-773-0888
Joesph A Bank Clothiers (JoB Clothiers) x2 1-800-999-7472
Bayer
American Express
LL Bean
TD Ameritrade
Progressive
Americaspower.org (some Coal lobbyist group)
Lincoln
Farmer's
Glass Doctor
Walgreens
Lexmark x2 859-232-2221
Liberty Mutual 617-357-9500
Volvo
Hyundai 800-633-5151
Direct Buy 800-988-6049
AARP 800-852-0879
Yellowbook 1-800-YB-YELLOW
Lazyboy
Lending Tree 800-555-8733
Edward Jones 314-515-3269

visit this link to get the hyperlinks for the rest of the contacts mentioned above

http://rpdaily.blogspot.com/2007/11/glenn-beck-calls-ron-paul-supporters.html

And then go to http://www.teaparty07.com and sign the pledge to give $100 to Ron Paul on December 16th.

Persephone, have you ever read up on the actual articles cited by the book you're quoting from? Here's what little tidbits I have from scanning the article.

J. Kleijinen, P. Knipschild, and Gerben ter Riet. "Clinical Trials of Homeopathy." British Medical Journal 302 (Feb 9, 1991): 316-323

"CONCLUSIONS--At the moment the evidence of clinical trials is positive but not sufficient to draw definitive conclusions because most trials are of low methodological quality and because of the unknown role of publication bias. This indicates that there is a legitimate case for further evaluation of homoeopathy, but only by means of well performed trials."

Note also that the conclusion and analysis portion of the paper recommended publication bias as a serious concern for the legitimacy of a meta-analysis.

J.P. Zmirou, D. D'Adhemar, D. and F. Balducci. "A Controlled Evaluation of a Homeopathic Preparation in the Treatment of Influenza-like Syndromes." British Journal of Clinical Pharmacology 299 (1989): 365-366

"Despite the use of terms such as "attributable fraction" which have specific meaning in clinical epidemiology parlance, it would be unwise to claim that the study has demonstrated a cause and effect relationship between the drug and the recoveries.""

What's also good to note is that the "difference in efficacy" for the control and variable group for recovery time was about 7%, while upwards of 12% of patients who were supposed to submit post-sickness data failed to. Also, note that the p-values compared were those typical for a clinical trial, although this had none of the legitimacy of such a trial, due largely to the fact that patients were treated for flu-like symptoms but were not even checked to see if they had the actual disease, as well as the fact that all data measurements were taken by the patients themselves, rather than physicians.

"Quadruple Blind." Lancet (April 4, 1989): 91

What's funny is that, due in no small part to this article, the Lancet has refused to lend editorial support to the article past its publishing and has recently dismissed even the possibility of homeopathy as a legitimate form of treatment.

I will also note that proving the efficacy, or lack thereof, of homeopathy has nothing to do with antibiotics being overused, nor does it have anything to do with calling into question fellow sifters' "life experiences" nor one's own experiences, which are anecdotal and biased in nature and thus not viable as factual evidence in an overall scientific analysis.

I've been using homeopathics to treat our children's health issues since they were babies and I wouldn't be without it. Arnica is fantastic for when they have a fall, eases the pain and they hardly bruise at all. Our nine and six year old have never needed to use antibiotics. We've given them panadol about once each in their lives for pain. Homeopathics has worked the rest of the time for them.

The American govt has never funded homeopathic research, but there has been a significant number of published studies on homeopathy elsewhere.

"The British Medical Journal published a review of twenty-five years of clinical research on homeopathy.(1) The researchers described 107 controlled clinical trials, 81 of which showed successful results from the homeopathic medicines. Of these 107 studies, a significant percentage of the highest-quality experiments showed positive results from homeopathic medicines".

"A study of 487 patients with influenza showed that a homeopathic medicine, Anas barbariae 200C, was effective; almost twice as many patients given this remedy had their flu symptoms completely resolved within 48 hours, as compared with the patients given a placebo. This study was published in the British Journal of Pharmacology(2) and received special commendation from the Lancet(3)".

(1) J. Kleijinen, P. Knipschild, and Gerben ter Riet. "Clinical Trials of Homeopathy." British Medical Journal 302 (Feb 9, 1991): 316-323

(2) J.P. Zmirou, D. D'Adhemar, D. and F. Balducci. "A Controlled Evaluation of a Homeopathic Preparation in the Treatment of Influenza-like Syndromes." British Journal of Clinical Pharmacology 299 (1989): 365-366

(3) "Quadruple Blind." Lancet (April 4, 1989): 91

Taken from: "Homeopathic Medicine for Children and Infants"
Dana Ullmann, Putnam, N.Y. 1992