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Who the fuck allowed Quicktime events to be so fricken prevalent? (I'm looking at the Need For Speed stupid on foot section, but being reminded of how much they exist now in games).

I thought they were supposed to have buggered off in the time of Dragon's Lair.

Oh, and Kinect... cool tech, stupid games. Wii still has the perfect balance of actual controller/motion controls in my book.

The wii is better birthday-suited for this type of social activity.

ITs ashame the wii mote , Kinnect , and vusix headset are all utter shit at acuret tracking.

maby in 10-15 years time we will have good tracking thats instant + full FOV headsets that are under £150 proper full visoin headset and proper 1-1 tracking will BLOW away whats possable and how emersive games are now . current gen games will seem as comical as what atari ST games look like now.

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I think so... and it looks like this WiiCult congregates at their local IKEA.

>> ^bareboards2:

I find myself kind of freaked out by all the white clothing and the silence..... this some kind of cult????

I've played through the game a little. I agree with he points about the sameywamey bit, but the graphics are actually quite good. Maybe he's not using the HD cables on his Wii...

Fuck you! Fuckin' hippie!

>> ^spoco2:

Agree with him... as a father of four, I agree with him.
Now... I'm not of the school of 'no tv, no video games, no fast food'... but I am of the school of IN MODERATION!
And any time one of the kids shows signs of being a little dependant on the video games, it's unplugged and put away for a week or more.
I fricken HATE the biscuits (BBQ shapes, pizza shapes, all that sort of thing) which you can just smell as soon as you open a box of them. The ridiculously overpowering smell of flavour enhancer 621, chemicals, chemicals, chemicals.
Our kids love fruit, there's always a bowl, we have 2 plum trees, an apple and a lemon tree and are growing our first crop of veggies in our veggie patch. Our kids always have a selection of raw vegetables with their meals.
When I see parents who always give their kids cordial or soft drink, or... oh this annoys me... if they give them milk they always add flavour to it, so it's strawberry or chocolate milk... ARGH! WATER and Milk are the two drinks our kids get at home.
But yeah, not militant on the TV or games etc, I have great fun sitting down with the kids to watch a movie, or playing a Wii game with them. I had those experiences as a kid, so why shouldn't they? But I also had time limits, as do they.

>> ^JiggaJonson:

How much of the population would u estimate treats their kids like this though?
The sad fact is the major determining factor in who will win the survival war is reproductive rates.
In reply to this comment by spoco2:
Agree with him... as a father of four, I agree with him.
Now... I'm not of the school of 'no tv, no video games, no fast food'... but I am of the school of IN MODERATION!
And any time one of the kids shows signs of being a little dependant on the video games, it's unplugged and put away for a week or more.
I fricken HATE the biscuits (BBQ shapes, pizza shapes, all that sort of thing) which you can just smell as soon as you open a box of them. The ridiculously overpowering smell of flavour enhancer 621, chemicals, chemicals, chemicals.
Our kids love fruit, there's always a bowl, we have 2 plum trees, an apple and a lemon tree and are growing our first crop of veggies in our veggie patch. Our kids always have a selection of raw vegetables with their meals.
When I see parents who always give their kids cordial or soft drink, or... oh this annoys me... if they give them milk they always add flavour to it, so it's strawberry or chocolate milk... ARGH! WATER and Milk are the two drinks our kids get at home.
But yeah, not militant on the TV or games etc, I have great fun sitting down with the kids to watch a movie, or playing a Wii game with them. I had those experiences as a kid, so why shouldn't they? But I also had time limits, as do they.


Oh, absolutely, he's bang on about the vast majority of parents, and it makes me very sad.

Also, I know I do let them watch too much tv and play too much Wii, even though we limit as much as we do... I still feel they need to be using them less. I have a friend who has a couple of young kids, and they have no TV in the house. Those kids are fricken amazing with what they can already do. One is just starting kindergarten and has already read the first two Harry Potter books and is attempting to compose things on her violin. The other hasn't even started kinder and is already writing such that you can actually work out what words they are supposed to be.

Just stunning stuff, and sure, I know that after a few years kids kind of all level out and catch up on those basic reading/writing things, but it's amazing how much further ahead kids can be when those things are really full on nurtured by the parents.

Still, in our house I completely refuse to give them Nintendo DS's... so many of their friends all have them, and they spend so much time on them... ALL the time. Man, it's just wrong. My kids have pestered us for them, but no, no way will they be getting anything like that until they are old enough to buy one for themselves. And they are also never getting TVs or computers in their rooms either.

The eldest of my kids is 7, and friends of his and younger have DS's and TVs/DVD players in their rooms etc. It's just so very, very unnecessary.

If there was only the option of what most kids have today and just cutting off TV/Video games, I'd be on the side of cutting them off entirely.

How much of the population would u estimate treats their kids like this though?

The sad fact is the major determining factor in who will win the survival war is reproductive rates.

In reply to this comment by spoco2:
Agree with him... as a father of four, I agree with him.

Now... I'm not of the school of 'no tv, no video games, no fast food'... but I am of the school of IN MODERATION!

And any time one of the kids shows signs of being a little dependant on the video games, it's unplugged and put away for a week or more.

I fricken HATE the biscuits (BBQ shapes, pizza shapes, all that sort of thing) which you can just smell as soon as you open a box of them. The ridiculously overpowering smell of flavour enhancer 621, chemicals, chemicals, chemicals.

Our kids love fruit, there's always a bowl, we have 2 plum trees, an apple and a lemon tree and are growing our first crop of veggies in our veggie patch. Our kids always have a selection of raw vegetables with their meals.

When I see parents who always give their kids cordial or soft drink, or... oh this annoys me... if they give them milk they always add flavour to it, so it's strawberry or chocolate milk... ARGH! WATER and Milk are the two drinks our kids get at home.

But yeah, not militant on the TV or games etc, I have great fun sitting down with the kids to watch a movie, or playing a Wii game with them. I had those experiences as a kid, so why shouldn't they? But I also had time limits, as do they.

Agree with him... as a father of four, I agree with him.

Now... I'm not of the school of 'no tv, no video games, no fast food'... but I am of the school of IN MODERATION!

And any time one of the kids shows signs of being a little dependant on the video games, it's unplugged and put away for a week or more.

I fricken HATE the biscuits (BBQ shapes, pizza shapes, all that sort of thing) which you can just smell as soon as you open a box of them. The ridiculously overpowering smell of flavour enhancer 621, chemicals, chemicals, chemicals.

Our kids love fruit, there's always a bowl, we have 2 plum trees, an apple and a lemon tree and are growing our first crop of veggies in our veggie patch. Our kids always have a selection of raw vegetables with their meals.

When I see parents who always give their kids cordial or soft drink, or... oh this annoys me... if they give them milk they always add flavour to it, so it's strawberry or chocolate milk... ARGH! WATER and Milk are the two drinks our kids get at home.

But yeah, not militant on the TV or games etc, I have great fun sitting down with the kids to watch a movie, or playing a Wii game with them. I had those experiences as a kid, so why shouldn't they? But I also had time limits, as do they.

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GIMMICK! Gaming always has these cycles of little peripherals, control schemes, etc. that at best contribute a few fun experiences, but are always are advertised as revolutionary, incredible things that will forever change way we play games.

Some examples:
Nintendo Power Glove (NES) - worthless as a controller, for any purpose

Light Gun (NES) - Games worth playing that used the light gun: Duck Hunt

Super Scope (SNES) - the Super Nintendo version of the light gun, minus anything worthwhile to play with it

3D/"Virtual Reality" goggles, Virtual Boy (var.) - the next "big thing" is always 3D displays through glasses or head-mounted displays. Reality: the hardware has always detracted from the experience, ranging from mildly annoying at best to instant motion sickness / vomit-inducing nightmare. Good 3D software engines displayed on a flat 2D screen actually *did* revolutionize gaming in a way these likely never will.

Dance Pad/Mat control (Dance Dance Revolution, etc.) - Makes kids exercise! Watch all the fatties lose weight! Sound familiar? Reality: niche appeal, niche market, fatties stay fat

Guitar Hero guitar controllers - Kids learn to appreciate music! They can develop musical talent! Reality: learn to play a faster-paced, vaguely guitar shaped version of Simon!


I don't mean to suggest that some of these things aren't fun. However, I think this sort of thing is guaranteed to have at best a pretty quick flash-in-the-pan sort of popularity. The best ones are instances where the peripheral is designed to work and work well with one given game or type of game, and the cost of that niche input method is just added in to the price of the game it was designed for.

To me, Nintendo was insane to base the entire market viability of the Wii around motion control. Competitors will develop their own solutions (Kinect, for example) and steal away some of the surge of motion control novelty attraction. Once the novelty wears off people will realize that the controllers, keyboard and mouse, joysticks etc. that have been used as input methods for 30+ years have been around that long because they aren't gimmicks, they actually *(&%ing work.

/rant over
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Rockband is a good starting choice (so is Lego: Anything), but Rockband has the added bonus of it being a true party game. If she likes to sing/play bass-lead/drums or keyboard go Rockband 3.

Plus it teaches you the basics of drumming and (in a few months) will support a full 6-string electric guitar (250$ though ), but it'll teach you how to play that too. That's pretty fu&*in rare in any game--giving you a skill.

If you know more about music it'll support some (I haven't looked into this area yet) full midi-keyboards--which once again it has a full training mode. It supports midi-drums as well, just make sure you get a midi-adapter (Madcatz makes some).

Expensive, but a unique experience. If you want to learn guitar don't bother with this till March or so. Plus Lego: Star Wars is cheap, after that I'd go Lego: Harry Potter (it has a lot of charm going for it).

Oh and: Why, yes, I do play videogames. <geek>

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One more thought. I'm not sure what games you can all get on their online service, but if it's about the same as XBLive Arcade I'd go for these games as they seem to be sure winners. Plus a few you'll like.

Puzzle Quest (1&2)- Really Addictive and rpg'ish so it'll keep your attention. Standard puzzle game, but with all the things you expect to find in an RPG. Very fun. Also on the DS/iPhone(at least PQ:2 is)/and I believe the PSP. The first is slightly better than the second IMHO.

Bejewelled- Specifically the second one.

Hexic (1&2)- This is a good strategy/puzzle game. It's not necessarily a fast paced puzzler and it's actually the type of puzzler that rewards you to think your moves ahead a bit. The second one has more combos, but loses some of the strategy elements, because it's faster. They are still both good games.

Hexic I've only seen on XBLive Arcade so I'm unsure if it'll be on Sony's setup.

I don't have a PS3 yet, but if you can download trials and let her try them out that will be your best option (unless it's a straight-up gift). Of course (as I said I haven't tried the online service yet) if the "trials" are like the Wii's idea of a "trial" as in, "Oh, here, go ahead and try this game for 15 seconds; it would be 30 seconds, but you NEED to watch this movie first; no you can't skip it, it's too awesome to do that!"... Then your screwed that route.

Someone with more trialing experience on the Playstation Network want to add on?
Anyway, there are a lot of cheap game choices as well. You'll be bound to find a type she enjoys a lot. Goodluck.