I agree with you about providing the evidence when it comes to science. I disagree that Algore is trying to be accurate. He's admitted he "greatly exaggerated" the many doomsaying claims and scenarios in his crockumentary. Algore wants us to change our lifestyle and new policies to be implemented by the government whether the GW theory can be proven or not. That's unacceptable.

There's no "evidence" regarding faith or religion and I doubt there will be for a long time yet.

Most religious folks believe religion has done more good than harm,

Most atheists believe religion has done more harm than good.

That's where we stand. Do you see any parallels between dogmatic religion and environmentalism?

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We're all annoyed by those we perceive as getting a free pass. As a believer that the earth's climate is what it's always been and no danger to humans, I'm angry Algore gets away with bad, distorted science with no rebuttals from anyone.

Yes, well, the difference is that if you describe Al Gore as "a lying fucking moron" or deem all his conclusions to be "A bunch of retarded shit" or lets say you use even stronger language, thats just uttering an opinion, and people have all the right to counter your arguments, and disagree with you, but they cant say you've committed a "hate crime" or "been offensive"

And lets say someone start raising their kids to worship Al Gore as if he was god, and lets say they call their kid a "Climate activist and proud liberal, aged 2"

Replace the name of Al Gore in the first paragraph with "Prophet Muhammed" and replace "Climate activist liberal" with "Roman Catholic" and you see my point.

Al Gore's ideas are fair game, besides they are not his ideas, there is actually and overwhelming scientific consensus about them. The point is that if he says "CO2 levels have gone up dramatically the last 15 years" the LEAST we can do is to say "Provide the fucking evidence" and when he says things like that he usually have the data to back it up. There may be exceptions, and some of the data may be disputed, but at least he makes a fucking effort to get it right..

Now compare that to the Pope who suddenly declared that dead, unbaptized babies didnt have to go to "limbo" after all, after the Catholic church had said for hundreds of years it was so. Wheres the fucking evidence? Is there ANY data available? No. he GETS AWAY with such nonsense. Easy as that. Its faith. No evidence is ever needed. Bullshit. Real parents are suffering because they believe in such shit.

Religious Ideas should be scrutinized the same way as everything else, these fucking charlatans and wacko's with their "send Money" shows, the creationist dolts without a single thread of evidence pushing their ideas on public schools, islamic scholars wining "hatecrime" whenever I tell them what I think of their pedophile, homophobic, bigoted, ignorant, racist warmongering hero, and the stupdid fucking ideas he came up with. No . We demand a free fucking pass. its faith. Beyond all criticism and scrutiny. And we demand to program our kids by washing their brains with this shit. Noone is to question that.

If you believe the creator of the universe takes an interest in your english exams or your sex-life or listens to your prayers then go right ahead, noones gonna stop you. But try pushing those ideas on others, or try to get laws changed in accordance with them, then I'm sorry: Personal conviction means fuck all, you need to provide some goddamn evidence.

With Al Gores ideas, the least you can say is that there is actually quite alot of evidence in favor of his case. Of course he may STILL be wrong, but he does have some data, at the very least. And thats the least we can demand, if Al Gore wants us to change our lifestyle, and new policies to be implemented by the government, then I say the same thing as I say to the pope: Provide the fucking evidence!

Wow, what an underhanded manipulative piece of work this has been. The "Warmonger" Ahmadinejad is making a rational argument about a solution to the problem in Isreal, but has his words edited in such a way as to seem the villain? What makes it worse is the way Wallace is almost apologizing to the audience for giving this "villain" so much fame in an interview. Iran certainly isn't a bosom buddy of ours, but this is a pretty disgusting pretense even so.

thanks Bfresh.. i'm in Lexington myself, and i'm getting quite fed up with all of this stereotyping since the primaries moved this way. it's good to know that other people are as irritated with it as well, and this is just another case of the louder minority of the population getting the airtime. if people thought about the US as a whole the same way they think of Appalachia, the US would be nothing but Hummer-Driving, FOX watching, Pat Robertson and Fred Phelps-following, warmongering fatties...but then again, maybe we are.

[edit] what i mean to say is this: you all had better not be surprised if us Kentuckians are more sensitive to this kind of hilbilly fingerpointing than usual. it's been far worse than usual because of the primaries, and we might just start lashing out.

Well, *lies for the fact that the video is pretty much entirely about lying from politicians, and *comedy for the faces of them pasted onto people dancing.

Unless, you thought politicians were truthful, and that this video didn't make them look ridiculous?

I think *dark and *fear are still appropriate, too. It paints a pretty bleak picture, and certainly is an example of using fear to make a point.

Then again what do I know? I'm totally delusional, because I'm not wearing a tinfoil hat and blubbering in fear of the Illuminati.

Elevating those organizations into some sort of pseudo-mythological secret society that's successfully taking over the world doesn't help stop them. If you wanted to seek to legitimize your position, you'd back it up with some sort of documentation, not a video that just superimposes pictures of politicians with the names of the organizations, and nuclear bombs going off while they dance.

PNAC for example, is quite real, and is promoting military imperialism in the U.S., but frankly, that's like trying to promote TV watching in the U.S.; there's already big support for that school of thought. If you want to stop imperialism, find a candidate who's against it, and promote them.

I'm not sure how anti-imperialist Obama really is, but everything he says, and his published foreign policy positions indicate he would not increase America's imperialism (by invading Iran), and would reduce it slightly with a withdrawl from Iraq.

If he turns out to be an imperialist warmonger after all, I'll be 100% for impeaching him, and promoting another candidate in 2012.

Sitting this election out because of a conspiracy theory is just what PNAC wants someone like you to do.

Ron Paul was the only candidate speaking out against the military industrial complex and militarism of the USA.

The US is a warmongering militaristic nation. To deny this is to be completely blind.

>> ^neosin:
LOL Guys it's out of context. Anything can seem bad out of context. Try and not be fooled by this video. It was edited to make him look bad. Are you guys that blind?


I know, unless you let his campaign control every aspect of the media covering him, he looks like a two-faced, lying, senile warmonger.

Weird how he's always out of context whenever he speaks.

I hope the media expose McCain as the huckster that he is. He's a fraud, a bigot, a demagogue, a buffoon, a warmonger, and a liar.

I sure hope Obama's people are working on a nice big hammer to smash the fuck out this senile, warmongering cunt.

>> ^quantumushroom:
Subliminal! On the fade-in, notice how the "c" in chief is obscured by McCain's shirt so you might read it as "thief" for a millisecond.
Did you see it?


Nope. I didn't see the "rats" thing in the Bush ad, either though.

Besides, McCain's not a thief, he's just a warmongering hypocritical liar. A Republican, in other words.

hell man, can you blame Jersey??? Don't expect any fundamental human niceties from Jersey....seems that most of the folks that would hold responsible a soldier for their decision to join the US army, don't know the nature of the machine anyhow and live in fantastic tunnel reality paradigms that have nothing to do with the world of the now-We have always (the masses) had the power to end the bullshit, but most would no more share in the responsibility of the sorry state of world affairs than settle for anything but full cream in their lattes....

Stop the machine for a week by non-participation in commerce, transportation, credit, etc, then follow it up with a unified protest and demands....this is the only thing that has a hope for change-


A good few years of extreme natural disaster would accomplish much as well.....a bit of world panic from without would have a great effect on the collective psyche, and usually tends to bring out the best and the worst in monkeys-wees way overdue for some real change....How about we launch Obama from a catapult???

Of course....some might argue that the flip-side of the current paradigm's machine with all it's inequality, greed, and warmongering, is that it got us here, past the industrial rev, past atomic energy, at the doorstep of nanotech and beyond.....

Human nature being what it predictably bees, it will all end quite horribly is this man's guess.....

Sorry
but this has *lies written all over it, just becasue you want it to be true "reverend" doesn't make it so.

Go f**k yourself you warmongering shitstain.

While the first part of what I said was true - I'm 1/8 or 1/16th Hebrew- I do hope that you saw right through the (rather dim-witted, I'll admit) sarcasm of my initial post.

Ich bin schließlich auch 1/4 Deutsch

Cheers! May the best Ice Hockey team win when the two of our countries face each other sometime next week!

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We have something in common then because I also mistrust the warmongering germans!

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I'll upvote your comment - but know that the 1/8th Jew in me mistrusts you, still, warmongering German.

We have something in common then because I also mistrust the warmongering germans!

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I'll upvote your comment - but know that the 1/8th Jew in me mistrusts you, still, warmongering German.

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I'll upvote your comment - but know that the 1/8th Jew in me mistrusts you, still, warmongering German.

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>> ^examininglibertarian:
"Rotten tomatoes rating" - Moral based movies typically only do well among their target audiences. Look at the recent war movies for an example. Pretty weak attack vector.
True in a sense, but also Rotten tomatoes takes the ratings of many, many reviewers and is one of the best gauges of a movie's perception in the wider world. And to say that a 'moral' movie only does well in its target audience... does that mean that a movie should only be judged on how well the already converted see it?

"Science leads you to killing people" - entire section taken out of context. He is talking about the scientific explanation of the origin of life as a dehumanizing influence. He is NOT claiming that every scientific advance is evil.
No, he pretty much is saying that science is evil. If you asked him to rationalize it after giving him the given examples of science doing good, he would say something like that sure, science can do good, but it needs a tempering hand from religion to guide it. Which of course is complete nonsense as all religion has done for centuries is tried to stifle science whenever it proves their beliefs to be wrong.

"Naked vulnerable superpower" - The United States has military alliances with all the countries he mentions. I cannot fathom the link here in trying to Make Ben Stein a bloodthirsty warmonger. War that cannot happen? I agree that all of them happening at once would be virtually impossible, but individually... The US would not have to unilaterally attack anybody, they would be pulled in by military treaties that they have already agreed to. Now, Ben Steins argument is weak too, US military spending is [s]ufficient and just needs to get more [e]fficient.

But his whole argument is based on 'now imagine if they all happened at once. And also to suggest that the US military spending is ANYTHING but grossly inflated is insane. He is using fear mongering to... well, actually I don't know what, what is his aim in his rant? He just wants a bigger army for the US? Yeah, that's a compassionate person.


"Contemptuous regard for rule of law" - The narrator was really fishing for a soundbite on this one. He creates a very nice straw man and sets up Ben stein as a law-shunning malcontent, when he merely differentiated between law and ethics. It IS possible to disagree with laws and still follow them. The fact that he is not in prison is proof of this.
Ben is a little off, but the narrator is worse.

I do agree that he drew a long bow here and twanged it pretty hard. But I think the point he started to make before he went off the rails is that Stein is picking and choosing which laws he wants to adhere to, and suggesting that laws have zero baring at all on issues where he doesn't agree with them.

Stein is someone using nothing more than scare tactics to try and force a world of ignorance onto people. He continues to use the dirt/mud hit by lightning bullcrap as this preposterous notion that he expects people to scoff at.

Even if it were true that science thought that life may have started via a lightning strike into a puddle of mud... I'd have no problem with that if they had good evidence to back it up. These creationists seem to have GREAT issue with thinking that we've evolved from anything lesser than humans, they find it abhorrent to think that we evolved from apes. Why? What's so horrendous in thinking that our long ago forbears were apes? How does that really change who you are, are you repulsed to think that some of your behaviors can be explained because they were born from earlier times in the wild?

This 'I either don't understand or don't like the truth so I'll invent this cushier, softer fantasy and believe in that' notion really, really shits me.