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HBOs 'Questioning Darwin' - Creationists Talk Creationism

chingalera says...

Yeah, some folks live in L.A. County, Baltimore, Miami, we all who live in the U.S. under varying levels of the same bullshit either see the slide into oblivion, or refuse to.

By the by newtboy, I don't really appreciate you taking license with another user's alleged geographical location in the public forum:
Not being paranoid, it's simply a crude, rude, passive-aggressive discourtesy.

I consider it a knee-jerk reaction to you having to read something you'd rather either berate or deny. Not very fucking cool, DUUUUUUDE!

newtboy said:

We don't all live in Houston, the rest of the US isn't the police state you complain about. Some is, most isn't.

Meet The Store Owner Who Shot Five Gang Members

A10anis says...

What a guy, I agree with everything he said. He has paid the price and knows how easily he could have died, but he can certainly stand tall and proud in the knowledge that being a passive victim wasn't for him.

Chris Hayes takes on Obama's addiction to oil (Keystone XL)

radx says...

Actually, I'm an atheist because my local pastor was a cool guy who used to play table football and billiards at my grandmother's pub. And when he realized that many of us couldn't take the stories of the Bible seriously, he never pushed any of his beliefs onto us. So you might say it never took root with me.

The humanistic education of a German gymnasium did the rest. When the internet came along at the turn of the century, with its ready access to the likes of Bertrand Russell and, much later, Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris, deGrasse Tyson, it merely pushed my attitude from not caring about organized religion into open confrontation with it. Though to be honest, I prefer not to bring up religion in a discussion, ever. It has the uncanny tendency to derail any conversation.

That said, science, specifically my training as a computer scientist, had no part in it. I was a passive atheist long before I took any of my education seriously, aka university.

lantern53 said:

I'll bet radx is an atheist because the religious types can't prove there's a God.

PTSD incident.

FlowersInHisHair says...

Do you know the guy? The driver seems to have no manner whatsoever - he's not responding. Any response would be inflammatory. I don't think it's passive-aggressive or holier-than-thou. I don't know where you're getting that from.

chingalera said:

Regardless of the wound-tight individual whose car was maligned in some way (I am supposing) IS NOT the cunt behind the wheel a flat-liner, or is he possibly just exercising his time-honored technique of passive-aggression that he seems to have honed in the most exquisite "I am a fucking asshole" fashion, right down to his horrible taste in clothing, and his smug, "I'm-right-and-you-are-obviously-insane, holier-than-thou-my-shit-driving-is-not-an-issue-with-anyone-but-you, fucking manner??

PTSD incident.

chingalera says...

Ok firstly, after watching this video without having read your link (me neither)..

Does the driver look 'traumatized' to you? Does his girlfriend's calm, matter-of-fact voice at the end of the video reflect some state of state of 'trauma' or shock even??

Another question. Regardless of the wound-tight individual whose car was maligned in some way (I am supposing) IS NOT the cunt behind the wheel a flat-liner, or is he possibly just exercising his time-honored technique of passive-aggression that he seems to have honed in the most exquisite "I am a fucking asshole" fashion, right down to his horrible taste in clothing, and his smug, "I'm-right-and-you-are-obviously-insane, holier-than-thou-my-shit-driving-is-not-an-issue-with-anyone-but-you, fucking manner??

Think so? Yeah. They're all three of 'em, assholes and Yogi?? Perhaps he WAS raped at some point in his life....by himself.

dannym3141 said:

http://www.10news.com/news/violent-outburst-by-camp-pendleton-marine-caught-on-camera-04022013

This has a lot of information on it. It states that the two in the car were too traumatised (also uses the word terrified) to comment. It also says that the guy cut them off and brake checked them a few times before they finally collided on the 5th attempt.

Also, isn't it a bit dangerous to let people like that loose in society? I'm worried enough already that some lunatic will get 'roid rage and randomly attack me without provocation (there are so many young lads on steroids right now) without having to worry about trained killers doing it. With the greatest of respect to anyone that has fought for a moral cause, i didn't necessarily ask them to do it in my name, nor should that be cause to expose people to the danger he poses.

Master of Newsspeak Prior to Presidency

The 10 Stages of Having to Pee

Rebecca Vitsmun, The Oklahoma Atheist, Tells Her Story

chingalera says...

Tell us all something VooDooVoo, what's the difference between you shitting all over a post and what you accuse me of, eh? I have a legitimate beef with rabid supporters of any particular ideology or philosophy when the shit becomes tiresome and repetitious when tinctured with rage and anger and intolerance.Lurking around to voice your disdain with me is infantile and boring, as well as passive-aggressive and insulting. Way to show that ass, baby-What would Jesus do, eh?? He'd most-likely wipe the dust from his feet and walk the fuck on, but I ain't a follower now am I??

Not saying I'm any different from you in my irritation with insolence or in my tendency to foment discord, I'm the devil's own advocate. Is YOUR ego larger than any barn or should I be the one staring into a mirror?

Jesus himself told the most pompous and self-righteous religious nuts to pray to god in a closet where he alone could hear and to give a fuck what mankind saw them doing and not to take it into the streets, atheists would do well to follow the same sage advice-

Remembering Some Of the Most Notorious Videosift Shills (History Talk Post)

chingalera says...

Why would I?? Because after i was banned as choggie I was canned with no recourse but to lurk and read the COMPLETE HORSESHIT the mob talked about me with me having no way to defend myself...I was righteously pissed. You obviously are not a student of history here, i don't forget shit, but I DO FORGIVE.

Plus, the sift needs a douche of all the wholesale crap that got posted during that bogus election, and I'd love to see the AWOL unseated from prominent places.....get some perspective instead of talking more shit perhaps>???

How about cleaning up some tired dead rhetoric on the sift and gang-up on someone who isn't sincere, thoughtful, and full of empathy.\??
TO answer your question directly Sarzy, "Because I CAN and will to do so.

I miss a lotta folk here, especially the ones who slinked-off after they fired-up torches against me and then passive-aggressively bailed when I was allowed to return..Believe me, i extended olive branches to some of the worst of offenders here. ...and they call ME a hater-

NR admitted he was shill....and I have made ammends with his old-lady

Yo u need some context before you startin' with the same program...I love everybody, it simply looks like shit to some.

Can't stand pep-rally mentalities, and won't suffer charlatans with a single program.

That's why-

Sarzy said:

Why would you start a thread just to shit-talk people who aren't even here to defend themselves? How about a "people we miss" thread? Now that I could get behind.

GOP Rep: Republicans Act Like Knuckle-Dragging Neanderthals

chingalera says...

Well here's something to think about, since the uselessness of answering these questions which seem so important to yourself, these issues which would simply tend to correct themselves should dumb assess who light-upon them who can't seem to figure it out actually DO something with all their frustration.

There are other more pressing fundamental issues to consider when you think about how real "CHANGE" could come overnight if both fanatics dems and repubs could get their heads out of their own assess.

Most of these issues you are so passionate about and continually abuse the meaningless, "one-team-against-the-other" argument for, are simply diversions to keep you inebriated with (by design) while the rapists and abusers of culture, politics and special interests, military and police, and corporate oligarchies fuck you from behind without lube.

For instance: THIS video offering after 30 hours in the queue has garnered 6 votes. It speaks to one of the many fundamental ass-fucks being perpetrated on the American People and one insidious presidential cunt republican and one equally as sinister mountebank currently in office has created the framework for this egregious violation of rights and culture, but nobody seems to give a fuck.

INSTEAD, people that continually paste these kind of trite news-bobble sound bites of worthless information pitting one party against another seem to be absolutely clueless as to the mechanics of the insidious mechanism keeping them in a state of unconscious somnambulatry hypnotic drunkenness while the entire time, not utilizing the power they have to alter the course of the destiny of the planet-Instead that wasted energy is used to jack off at the mouth.

Simple fix for the so-called drug problem as it relates to criminal cartels (like the FBI, LIKE the CIA, like the "cabal who control government."???

Legalized marijuana, heroin, cocaine, while at the same time criminalizing the machine set-in-place to quote/unquote, "fight the war on drugs"..Fight the war on terrorism", etc. There is no goddamn war except the one for your mind,and from reading this horseshit on this particular post, it seems that more than a few people here have had their minds hi-jacked already.

It's up to you to wake-the-fuck-up. Republicans are no better or worse than democrats, because both are complicit in the hijacking of your lives, your livelihoods, and the work and sweat and blood of your lives as you toil incessantly to continue to promulgate their diseased programs of slavery of both your bodies and minds.

Any and all retort to similar diatribes of my own are predictably met with derision and defensiveness, and a SHITLOAD of passive-aggression in the form of convoluted and meaningless banter.

I fucking detest this charade of pitting conservatives against liberals, one "party" against another.

The only party that exists is the one behind closed doors as they laugh at people like yourselves.

VoodooV said:

@chingalera ahh the "both parties are equally bad" fallacy.

tell me? What's the Democrat equivalent of the denial of same sex marriage?
What's the Democrat equivalent of telling women they must keep their rape babies? What's the Democrat equivalent of trying establish a state religion even though we are a country of many (or no) religions. What's the Democrat equivalent of Republican's persistent denial of this pesky thing called science. What's the Democrat equivalent of the Republican body count due to starting unnecessary wars?

Don't get me wrong. Democrats fuck up all the time. They believed the 2004 election would be a slam dunk. They can often be naive and miscalculate political realities. I'm not convinced they won't fuck up the 2016 election somehow despite the Republicans' current problems. I really don't think Hillary should run. To quote Doctor Who: "Don't you think she looks tired?"

Both parties should be abolished to get away from this political nonsense, but to suggest these are somehow equal to Republican misdeeds is absolute lunacy unless you dare to back your claims up.

Hell, arguing the opposite of my claims is still more rational than this "OMG they're equal" nonsense. If you capable of making a value judgement, one party matches your values better than the other. It's impossible for them to be equal in that regard.

Fantastic Toy Commercial For Future Girl Engineers

SDGundamX says...

I think what they're saying is that those Lego-type toys are marketed pretty heavily to boys whereas this is aiming squarely at girls. And I don't think they have a problem with the color pink per se--I think they have a problem that the majority of the toys in the "pink aisle" are trying to socialize girls to be homemakers (Eazy-bake ovens, etc.) or passive fashion models (princess outfits). This toy, on the other hand, is promoting girls as active inventors while also allowing them to retain their femininity (ie you can be cute AND smart).

As the father of a 2 1/2 year old daughter, I approve their attempt. I'll be interested in seeing how the final product turns out.

TheGenk said:

I understand the sentiment, but what is preventing girls from playing with already existing construction type toys like Lego?

And secondly, isn't it strange that the advertised toy in the video has the same look and feel of those 'evil' "pink aisle" toys?

Nobody is getting into these shorts

harlequinn says...

The ones who fight back get raped and beaten the least:

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/211201.pdf

or

http://www.d.umn.edu/cla/faculty/jhamlin/3925/4925HomeComputer/Rape%20myths/10-Year%20Update.pdf

Take note that modern studies take into account the sequencing of violence and resistance, while earlier studies did not - and it shows clearly that resistance works.

Interesting, the video talks about resistance but some studies show that unless it is active resistance then it is unlikely to work. One set of data I saw showed passive resistance increasing the likelihood of a bad result. So you may be right if it simply frustrates an attacker.

Stu said:

Good in concept yes, but they say it won't escalate in violence? Frustrating the shit out of someone who can already overpower you? The ones who fight back the most end up getting the most beat as well.

Don't get me wrong, it's a first step toward a much needed protection for women. I'm curious to see how it is rolled out and the outcome if it sadly is needed to be used.

Ron Paul's CNN interview on U.S. Interventionism in Syria

Mauru says...

I like Ron Paul's stance on non-intervention. I like Ron Paul a lot.
But what he is saying on Syria and the convoluted power system there is simply not true. There are Al Kaida fighters on the sides of the rebels. However, there are also Hezbollah fighters on the side of the Assad Regime.
If America's stance on what asserts a terrorist group and what not holds true interpolitically they, by their own theory can not stand by passively and watch. America HAS to do something- they allready "invested" too much into the region to now sit back and not act. WHAT exactly this intervention should look like is the question and you can see the current adminsitration suffer with a good answer to it.
Don't listen to the currently popular theme of "Gas-weapons are just another way to kill people". If you think the deployment of poison gas weapons into a urban warzone is the same as just "regular" bombardment you have to seriously go and read up on how gas-weapons behave in an urban environment especially WHEN combined with regular bombardment.
The use of this weaponry is an absolute show stopper, which makes it a lot more painful to realize that the USA itself is using enriched Uranium munitions and clusterbombs) - Nonetheless- the USA not acting now would be like saying: "You might not be as powerful and omnipotent as we are, but go ahead since we take this so seriously that we trivialize it to start our own wars".

Does it have to be military intervention? Hell, no.
Can it be expensive? Hell, yes.

The Use of UEAE-weapons (undiscriminatory extended area effect weaponry- i.e. stuff which even gets into protection shelters and doesnt worry which ones) is like lining up and shooting an entire part of a town by principle. Kinda like a poor man's nuke and even if it was a ruse by the rebels- this certainly warrants the current drama.
The USA invaded Iraq because they thought that Sadam Hussein had these weapons (fabricated charges or not, thats what they started the war on) so what exactly would be the consequences now if America sits back?
John Steward said on the daily show that this is like 7 year old bullies fighting on the playground. The irony is that he is frightingly right.
Again, I am against military intervention but this is some serious stuff.

Female Veteran Arrested at No War With Syria Protest Rally

artician says...

Two things:
1-Why didn't they arrest the guy holding the camera, who at that point, judging by the video, was much more of a threat to them (record of the event, seems to have partaken in the same event as she).

2-It seems like the camera man and the woman in question weren't the only two civilians there (seems like others beyond the camera field of view). At some point (please people I beg you) someone has to put down the camera and ACTUALLY RESIST.

If the multitude of video-recordings of excessive use of law are any indication, law enforcement in this country treats the concept of resistance as an excuse and a joke. Assuming this woman was really not acting differently to the video description, the US public needs to teach these people the definition of actual resistance.

Mass passive aggressiveness would serve us all the greatest. I don't feel like that's reasonable given the expectancy of others, and the failure of the occupy movements.

I'm scared that physical militancy is the only thing that would change this terrible government, but might be the only way. I'm more frightened of the idea that it's what they want.

Woman thinks all postal workers are after her

Chairman_woo says...

With that in mind here's a list of people that make me variously: scared, uncomfortable, upset and sometimes outright angry. I find it deeply unpleasant and sometimes disturbing to have to deal with them and I think life would be a lot better if we just locked them away.

Police
Politicians
Pro-lifers
Anyone who watches X-factor
Anyone who doesn't think the British royal family are murderous tyrants.
People who play music on their phone speakers on the bus/walking down the street.
People that use the term "free country" without irony.
The unregulated hyper rich over class.
Rugby players on a night out drinking.
People that advocate the death penalty.
Hyper nationalists.
Xenophobes, Racists and Homophobes.
The priesthood of amen/the brotherhood of shadow.
Young people in tracksuits/hoodies.
Anyone that uses the word "party" as a verb.
Practising Christians, Muslims and Jews (doubly so if they are raising their children religiously).
Hyper-Atheists.
Chimpanzees! (seriously, fuck the chimps they scare the shit out of me)
People that use the phrase "I just don't give a fuck" and actually mean it.
The Chinese scientists developing the "death robots" (you might laugh now....)

Whilst some are clearly more serious than others, all of the above represent things/traits which deeply concern me. Many of the people on that list I'd label as outright insane and/or seriously dangerous to my health and well being.

Some, were I to be confronted by them unexpectedly, would outright terrify me, much more so than that lady. There's a good chance that by simply responding with concern and a lack of antagonism she could have been talked down, but certainly pulling an incredulous expression and calling her a crazy lady is not likely to diffuse the situation one iota.

As I said before maybe she is a genuine danger to herself and others, such people do exist and there are systems in place to try and deal with it.

The issue here is that your not even remotely in a position to make that diagnosis, nor are any of us here. We don't know how serious her condition is or how likely she is to respond to various forms of treatment. Speculating based only on video's made during episodes (i.e. at her worst) with no context of her medical history just fuels the kind of knee jerk "lock them away" mindset that contributes heavily to these poor bastards getting the way they are in the 1st place.

For all you know a bit of in the community C.B.T. and mentoring might be all she needs/needed. Not everyone displaying psychotic symptoms benefits from or warrants full on institutional incarceration, it often makes things much worse.
She clearly needs/needed further investigation and perhaps having the benefit of her medical history and first hand interaction it might be reasonable to conclude that some form of isolation is needed. But I'd rather leave that down to those who are professionally qualified to make that judgement than bystanders who merely witnessed a few isolated psychotic episodes and know sweet F.A. about her as a person.

It's you that's failing to see the bigger picture here. You want to put her in a neat little box marked "crazy" so you don't have to face the implication that in some fundamental sense you are the same thing. The crazy person sits next to you on the bus and you think "I don't deserve to have to put up with this inconvenience. How dare they make me feel uncomfortable".......

....Do you have the remotest idea of the kind of deep lasting damage that does to a person when virtually everyone they ever meet thinks and behaves that way? How it feels for someone to just condemn you to be locked away without even attempting to understand what your all about?

It's only about 50 years ago that it was standard practice to basically label everything as just various forms of "madness" and lock them all away in the same building. While we've come along way there's still very much a ways to go and the public perception of acute psychotic illnesses is by far the most backwards.

If you'd said maybe she might need institutional treatment, or that you had concerns that the behaviour she displays could escalate to a violent incident (both legitimate concerns) then I wouldn't have reacted with such hostility.
But you didn't do that, you outright declared she that must be forcibly segregated and treated and moreover that she is definitely a danger to herself and others. No grey area, isolation is the only alternative!

I don't want this to descend into a personal attack, you might after all be a really nice person and this is a deeply rooted prejudice common to most people I come across. Much like many peoples homophobia isn't especially malicious it's just an unchallenged social convention (one fortunately that is changing).
But malicious or not the damage done is the same, for crazies, ethnic minorities and homosexuals alike. And I don't think its unfair to say that the "crazies" are the more vulnerable group by quite some margin.

You don't begrudge offering a little time and understanding for say a disabled person holding you up in a door way, why is taking a little step back when confronted with a "crazy" person so different? That postie clearly recognised she wasn't occupying the same reality as himself very quickly, but his response is to pull a face that says "what the fuck is your problem?" and just dismisses her as crazy. She might have calmed down and gone away peacefully in the space of a few mins if he'd tried to diffuse it, but he didn't, he escalated immediately. (because he's mentally ill too, just in a different way)
That's basically like someone getting in your way, you realizing its because they are in a wheel chair and then treating them like an arsehole because they had the indecency to be out in public and get in the way of the able bodied people! Those bloody cripples, they should be taken away for their own protection! (the fact the rest of us don't have to worry about dealing with them any more is just a bonus naturally )

Now obviously this is a somewhat flawed analogy as people with mobility impairments don't have heightened rates/likelihood of violent outbursts (though I'm sure there are plenty twats who just happen to be in wheelchairs). But the fundamental point I'm trying to make about how people treat the extravertly mentally ill stands. If your being directly threatened with no provocation is one thing, but this guy isn't he's just antagonising someone in a clear state of paranoia and delusion/misunderstanding (which he recognises within seconds). He doesn't even attempt to address that he just closes off and becomes passively hostile.
As I said before its understandable, but only in the same way as being frightened of homosexuality, alien cultures, physical disfigurement etc.. It's just cultural isolation, get to know a few people from any of those groups and it quickly starts to sublime into respect and understanding.

She didn't walk up to him screaming she walked up and firmly presented an accusation that the postman knew could not possibly have been true. She became aggressive/shouty only after he became dismissive, before that she was only restless and paranoid. And even then she didn't make any aggressive physical moves we can see. Postie doesn't look at all in fear for his safety to me, he turns his back on her several times and barely maintains eye contact, not the behaviour of someone that feels physically threatened!

How might she have reacted if postie had looked genuinely scared? Maybe she'd have backed off? Changed her attitude? And yeh maybe she'd have got even more threatening or attacked him with a stick too.

We don't know what she'd have done because we don't know her or anything about her other than a few paranoid videos on the internet. Leave the judgements to the people that have done the research, interviews etc. and know know what the fuck they are talking about with regards to this lady's condition and best treatment.

Speculation is one thing, outright declarations of fact is quite another. People are not guilty before you can prove their innocence...

Rawhead said:

be discussed. it really doesn't make since to me how you can only look at it through her eyes. what about this mailman, who is just sitting there doing his job, then suddenly this insane woman come up to you screaming in your face? telling you your stalking her? and sounding like she going to do something violent? YES! they are "FUCKING PEOPLE"! but their people who need to be taken out of society for their own good and others around them. take your blinders off and look at the whole picture.



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