>> ^burdturgler:
Linking Al-Jazeera youtube clips really doesn't mean shit to me. Sorry.
What's so wrong about Al Jazeera? They seem to be one of the lesser biased news networks nowadays. That clip rougy posted seems very objective.

What do you mean "this late in the game"?

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Should we just run all the military-esque videos past you? you know too much to be coming in this late in the game dammit.

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Should we just run all the military-esque videos past you? you know too much to be coming in this late in the game dammit.

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It's probably just coincidence, but there's something vaguely human about the way the cement mixer falls over. I wonder if there's a possibility that was intentional.

Here's an idea: how about instead of trying to ban cluster bombs, we encourage them to find ways to lower the failure rate?

Linking Al-Jazeera youtube clips really doesn't mean shit to me. Sorry.
Back to this video, which is what the conversation should be about, it is fucking stupid to presume that if a bomb is "safe" it can be tumbled in a cement mixer for an indefinite amount of time. It is obvious they were intending to detonate it. Do you think someone just walked by a cement mixer with a bomb in it and then turned the camera on? It's a purposeful detonation. The video is intentionally misleading. They are not land mines.

Let's say the failure rate is true. (which it isn't) 10% is laying on the ground undetonated. If you look at the cluster bomb detonations in the video you linked, tell me, would you allow your children to go anywhere near that area? It's not like 90% of the bomblets explode in one spot and the other 10% are placed in some other location.

And I wasn't cavalier about the loss of innocent life at all. I said several times that it is tragic. But I see you have a habit of reading things the way you want to see them.

Go look up Textron, sensor fuzed weapons, and clean battlefield.

If you see a whole bunch shit blown up, don't go there. If you are stupid enough to go there, don't pick up things. If the kids don't know that then the parents sure as hell should. If you live in war zone where things are getting blown up and you don't know where you're kids are and if what the fuck their doing is safe or not...
I'm starting to think this should be *.eia

>> ^thain:
People talking about how only idiots could misidentify cluster bombs obviously aren't thinking very clearly. These countries are generally third world type countries (at least outside the seats of power), so it's not exactly like the families have a lot of money to buy toys for their children. If the kids don't have a good football, it's entirely possible they'll use a cylindrical object as a substitute, and if nothing else it looks like it makes a good can for a game of kick the can. Kids don't tell their parents what they're playing with most of the time, and parents in a third-world area might not even realize that there will be unexploded bombs after some country or other has just finished bombing the sh t out of them.

That was a perfectly good cement mixer!

Won't somebody please think of the cement mixers?!

I'm not condoning cluster bombs, but seriously:

"A cluster bomblet is more likely to be found by a child than a cement mixer."

I've never seen a cluster bomb, but I have seen several cement mixers. I think they took their own sentence out of context.

>> ^burdturgler:
Generally, explosives should not be tumbled in a cement mixer. And who knows, really, how long this thing was bounced around in there? Maybe we're seeing the last minute of a 2 hour mix. 2 days? There's no way to know. They clearly had every intention of filming a detonation.


Generally, powerful explosives shouldn't be put into small, toy sized packages and dropped in areas where children can find them. And who knows how long the child will play with the explosive? 2 hours? 2 days? There's no way to know. Until it explodes.

Wow rougy you are pissed off tonight ... I don't even want to get in your way lol.

I'm not sure what to make of the "people bomb" thing. We do want to immobilize the enemy when we are at war.
But really, cluster bombs are not war crimes. They're weapons. Sometimes weapons in war kill innocent civilians. I'm not saying this is OK but it's just a fact. They shouldn't be looked at as land mines. Think of it as a dumb bomb that was dropped in WWII but didn't go off. Is that a war crime? No. It sucks. It should never happen but it does.

I can tell you they put a tremendous amount of technology, (R&D cash that most countries wouldn't bother with) into the devices to prevent it from happening, but nothing is perfect. I'm personally proud of the smart weapons and great lengths the US and others have gone to in ensuring minimal civilian casualties.

Generally, explosives should not be tumbled in a cement mixer. And who knows, really, how long this thing was bounced around in there? Maybe we're seeing the last minute of a 2 hour mix. 2 days? There's no way to know. They clearly had every intention of filming a detonation.

I'm saying *NSFW cause it's the fuckin catalina wine mixer.

It came from *Canada
Another of my favorite mixers. Link!
http://rapidshare.com/files/55365040/kid_koala_live_at_ilosaari06.mp3

Dark Side of The Rainbow is one of the reasons that I don't smoke weed very much. People need to sober up and face the facts. Seriously, anybody who has ever spent any time behind a mixer and tried to beatmatch two records will realize that the idea of syncing an entire movie with an album is garbage. Ever heard of wow & flutter?

Pretty Sweet. I know I've heard this in a 2 Many DJ's Radio Soulwax set, but I don't know if their the original mixers for it.