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bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Your evidence?
Russian bloggers on twitter?
Beyoncé, Lizzo, Megan, Eminem, the Harris campaign and official campaign financial records all say it’s 100% bullshit spread from Twitter accounts.
You bought and repeated another stupid lie without checking it out, because you don’t care if it’s true you just love to talk shit like a spoiled little girl.

The Harris campaign, as of Oct. 17, lists only one endorsement-related expenditure — for $75 — in its Federal Election Commission financial reports. It was made to the League of Conservation Voters, a pro-environment nonprofit, in June, when President Joe Biden was still running for reelection.

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/10/posts-make-unfounded-claim-about-beyonces-endorsement-of-harris/
Sorry, not sorry, liar, another stupid lie debunked as soon as you spout it.

Why is it that you continue to buy every stupid lie you’re sold and never are embarrassed or apologetic when your stupid insulting lies are proven to be lies? Must be because you have no morals or ethics left, and we’re never smart.


By comparison….
The felon’s campaign finance records showed he had to pay actors to pretend to be auto workers, union workers, blacks for Trump, etc…paid people to show up at his rallies and post a picture to prove it, etc…Elon had to pay millions for votes (and is being accused of hacking the election using Starlink to edit the data it transmitted, then crashing the satellite to erase the evidence…14 million missing votes, recounts started!)…every single relationship he’s ever had including familial has been transactional.
If you actually had a problem with that, you wouldn’t support the felon who only has paid spokespeople who make millions themselves…parking lot attorney Alina Habba?!? How many millions did she get paid?
Even Melania had to get paid $250000 to stoop to speaking for 15 minutes to support her husband.

THAT is a LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!

You also have conceded that you expect every metric of the economy to be worse under Trump than it has been under Biden, you can’t come up with a single measure you expect to improve in the next 4 years…and have telegraphed your nonsensical intent to blame Biden for Trump’s economy and accept no blame despite holding full control of all 3 branches of government. If only your people had been honest about that before the election things would be different.

bobknight33 said:

Kamala paid Beyoncé $10 MILLION to publicly support her!!!

$5 MILLION for Megan Thee Stallion
$3 MILLION for Lizzo
$1.8 MILLION for Eminem

These fake relationships is what you guys wanted in the government? People paying people to act like they like each other.

A Billion $ campaign and she still LOST.

That is a LOSER!!!!!!!!!!

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Bwaaahahaha! That’s absolutely not what you said, you said it will be great under the felon, booming all the time, everything will be amazingly better in every way…or crash immediately under Harris (just like you said in 2016 and 2020)….hypocritically hilarious that now you admit he will tank it. 😂

Also hilarious you want zero responsibility despite having 100% control….or it would be hilarious if your party wasn’t led by an infantile fascist with unregulated power and immunity for ignoring the constitution on a vendetta against over half the country.

The Biden economy is the envy of the entire world and far better than the first Trump economy unless you erase all his losses and only count successes. It is growing, not shrinking, manufacturing, gdp, jobs, wages, and earning power are ALL growing, deficit, inflation and interest shrinking..and every other metric is moving in a positive direction under Biden including the deficit. That will not continue under the bankrupter in chief. Hide and watch. He will double the debt and we will have nothing to show for it but another negative gdp.

GDP, stock markets, profits, jobs stupid, infrastructure, all measurably and significantly better under Biden than the felon, all better under Biden even erasing the omnibus disaster that was 2020 under Trump.

I blamed Trump for year 1 of Bidenomics because he kept most Trump policies, just as I will blame Bidenomics for the first 6 months to 1 year of Trumpenomics (depending on what he changes and how fast).

I just gave you the clear undisputed starting point numbers. Just like in 2016. I would bet whatever you want that, again, they will be worse after 4 years, but you Welch on bets so I’ll just make you a gentleman’s bet, those and all other economic numbers (except the personal wealth of the top 1%) will be worse in 4 years.

If he follows through with the mass deportations, that will trigger a depression.
If he kills the ACA with just a concept of a replacement, it will trigger a recession.
If he enacts 20% tariffs on imports, it will trigger a recession, followed by a trade war, followed by a global depression.
If he withholds federal funding from blue states as he has threatened, it will trigger a civil war.
The first tump administration was a slow train wreck (with a few actual train wrecks thrown in), the Biden administration has been a slow cleanup of that wreck…admittedly far too slow. The next 4 years are poised to be an ELE size meteor strike, making us wish for those halcion days of deregulated chemical train wrecks.

Yes. Never bet against the prejudices and stupidity of the average voter. Think how stupid the average person is, then realize fully half are actually stupider than that.

bobknight33 said:

Economic # will get worse, as I've said, regardless of who is POTUS.
It s slow motion train wreck , thanks to Bidenomics.

But go ahead blame trump.
I told you so.

Dems got their ass whooped . What an election night it was.

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

The economy is doing excellent thanks to Bidenomics. He inherited a failing economy with a negative gdp and record unemployment and record numbers of businesses failing thanks to Trumpenomics. Even inflation is the best in the free world and has been for a long time, and it was your one bad metric to pint to….now you’ve got nothing. 😂

The economy reportedly added 12000 jobs in Oct, a disappointment but hardly the loss you claim….liar. It is the worst month under Biden so far, but heaven compared to the Trump negative numbers.

Some other unknown metric is also now temporarily the lowest it’s been since Trump….HAHAHAHA! You are so incredibly stupid. I bet you don’t know how you ended up eating shit there.

These other numbers are just as fantastical and fantasy.

The economy has added over 16.5 million jobs under Biden, more than every single Republican administration combined even if you remove Trumps disastrous record of LOSING 3 million jobs over his administrations tenure. Such a drop in jobs has never been seen outside of war time.

Who lied to you and told you he lost private sector jobs? Why are you so gullible and incapable of typing into google to see if Pravda is telling the truth (as if you need to)?
Trump lost private sector jobs, 3 million of them. Biden added 16.5 million of them…so because you can’t accept he succeeded you pretend they are all crap jobs with zero evidence and only Russian propaganda to regurgitate. 😂

Enjoy Vlad. Daddy Trump isn’t coming to save mother Russia, Momala Kamala is coming to spank you hard and long then give your toys to Ukraine.

bobknight33 said:

The next POTUS will be hit hard with failing economy, thanks to Bidinomics.

The US economy lost -28,000 private jobs in October, the first net loss since December 2020.

The 3-month moving average has declined to 67,000, the lowest since the 2020 pandemic.

This is well below the average of 150,000 monthly private payroll additions seen in 2018-2019, prior to the pandemic.

The worst part?

Full-time private sector jobs have dropped by a whopping 1.5 MILLION year-over-year.

Such a drop in full-time private jobs has never been seen outside of recessions.

A Place For Trump

newtboy says...

Nice (shocking really) that you have finally accepted your boy will lose this election, but it’s incredibly delusional to believe he will live 8 more years or be capable of standing or speaking in 4…I don’t think he’ll be alive next election, 4 years of prison will be 3.95 years longer than he can take, and he’s facing decades.

Biden/Harris have done infinitely better on the economy…no negative gdp, no double digit unemployment, new businesses outpacing failing business handily, ports open, trade wars ended, roads and bridges and internet and infrastructure invested in heavily which is excellent for the economy short and long term, wages up, inflation down, there’s not a single metric where your sickly fat boy even comes close to a tie, much less comes out ahead…not even if you forget 2020.

You have clearly completely forgotten how certain you were in 2020 that a Biden administration would mean guaranteed depression in 21, then 22, then 23…this year you finally gave up on that fantasy but moved the goal post to 25, and you think anybody’s listening? 😂 Silly silly little boy, people stopped listening to your cries of “WOLF” years ago, only your fellow cultists hear you.

100% of domestic terrorism in the last decade was committed by maggots, some as false flags trying to blame Dems but not most….most were direct attacks against America. There have been dozens if not hundreds since the golden escalator ride.

It’s impossible for something to “start back up” if it never existed, just as it would be impossible for it to “start back up” from maga since the violence has never ended from your criminal terrorist party, neither has the cheating.

Trump will what? End elections? Declare victory despite losing by over 20 points? Go full Nazi? Make homosexuality a death sentence? Hand Alaska to Putin? Direct the army to round up political rivals for extermination? WHAT? 😂
Trump will lose, then go to prison and die there.

Such a delusional little man you are, never coming close to reality or a complete thought, only cut and pasting the Russian produced propaganda prepared for you.

bobknight33 said:

When the economy crashes under the next POTUS, Trump will be a better leader to get America out of the Biden / Harris inflation mess.

Trump will and the Violence from the left will start back up.

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

😂 More predictions! Love it. You clearly haven’t noticed your own track record with predictions….hint, you recently said Trump would be acquitted and the DA prosecuted. You said Hillary would be in prison in 2017. Also don’t forget that series of red tsunamis. How’s that going? 😂

Trump will lose AGAIN (he has never won the popular vote except for conviction) because everyone including you cultists know the multiple grand jury directed prosecutions aren’t politically motivated they are based in fact and the law, which he broke daily for his entire adult life, and can finally see that Bidenomics is a massive success with constant low unemployment, wage increases outpacing inflation, inflation low (compared to the rest of the world or what Trump left) and falling, gdp strong and rising…every metric of an economy is great under Biden, you just refuse to admit reality.
The cases also expose the immoral, unethical, narcissistic, disloyal, and incestuous character of the man.

Trumpenomics was the failure…Trump was president in 2020 and let everything go to shit, the economy, the health and longevity of the citizens, the state of the national union, functioning supply chains, the confidence in government, debt and deficit, every metric of a nation became FAR worse under Trump, every single metric. All but debt are better under Bidenomics including deficit (so in a way even debt is better)…most are better even without 2020 included in Trump’s record like unemployment, new businesses, and gdp increases.

Sucker!

The markets jumped up significantly when the verdict was read, it didn’t collapse because Trump became less likely to be elected like the Trumpists predicted. None of your predictions are coming to fruition, yet you keep making them. The advantage of having no memory I suppose, you never have to feel dumb for your ridiculous idiotic past and can convince yourself you have a valid point to make today.

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BTW- here’s that guy you think can’t walk or speak…
…He’s going to wipe the floor with dottering rambling and confused Sleepy Don who won’t be able to interrupt constantly….assuming the coward shows up at all, which is highly unlikely…he said he would, indicating he won’t.

bobknight33 said:

Trump will win 2024 because of this and other trials are political hit jobs and for Bidenomics failure.


Barack Obama on Donald Trump

newtboy says...

There won’t be a pot of gold for Truth Social….not that it cares about its people.

It lost nearly 1/3 of its value this morning the instant they revealed their near $60 million losses last year with only 4 million users and no advertisers but is lavishly paying its officers (who are all top maga officials) up to a million a year. It’s going to be worse when maga investors realize it’s being propped up by China as a way to bribe Don Poorleon and maga officials like Cash Patel.
This is the kind of “good job” you get from maga…economic collapse and job market collapses paired with a million dead Americans…all failed attempts to con leading to total collapse. Imagine 4 more years of 2020…the Congo would rank above us by every metric after that, and China and Russia would fight over how to split us up.

No one outside the cult thinks trump did better than Biden on anything, and you have to ignore all statistics and facts, the failed coup, the big lie, and the year 2020 to believe it.
If only Obama would run the election would be over.

bobknight33 said:

Find a company that cares about its people and I'll show you the pot of gold at the end the rainbow.

As a POTUS, Trump did a good job. Even Today people think Trump would be better.

How Bad is The Cost of Living Squeeze In the US?

newtboy says...

Your mantra.
“I can’t deny that Bidenomics has improved every single measure of our economy significantly after the record setting abject disaster of Trumps last year in office and the lingering effects of its apocalyptic mismanagement, but it will get worse someday, so Bidenomics is a failure.”
You can’t point to a single metric of economics that hasn’t significantly improved under Biden. NOT ONE. “It will get worse.” is not related to reality, it’s just your own wishful thinking, hoping for America to fail.

Such idiotic nonsense. Nothing has been worse for the economy than Republican leadership. Every recession in recent history was under Republicans because of republican policies, every economic recovery was under Democrats thanks to democratic policies. The vast majority of inflation was due to Trump spending like a drunken sailor with mommy’s credit card and increasing the debt by 8 trillion and deficit by trillions or tens of trillions more before his policies expire. Biden’s policies, Bidenomics, averted a recession/depression you (and many economists) insisted was coming by 2022 and reversed inflation faster than the most optimistic economist predicted.

Bidenomics has saved American pocketbooks from the results of 4 years of federal financial malfeasance.
Trump ended his term with a negative gdp, huge exploded deficit, rapidly growing debt, worst unemployment in living memory, a historically easy to defraud never repay ppp loan program every Republican congressperson scammed, tens of millions of disabled taxpayers and a million dead taxpayers. Trumpenomics had us on the fast road to unavoidable recession/depression in Jan 2021….Bidenomics avoided it and created a boom. 🤦‍♂️

Republican bickering has already led to our national credit rating being downgraded once, costing the nation billions in increased loan interest alone with nothing gained besides the degradation of our congress and the national union. You would happily have that continue until it bankrupted the nation irreparably then blame Biden.

bobknight33 said:

@newtboy

Better to have Republicans bicker and get nothing done than to have Bidnomics destroy American pocketbooks.

It will get worse.

Israel-Hamas War: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

newtboy says...

There’s lots of reporting on Hamas saying they want to eradicate Israel (without the ability to even do damage 99.9% of the time, certainly not eradication), but very little reporting of the Israeli government saying the exact same thing about Palestine while actively doing so using US supplied advanced weaponry at bombing rates never before seen, and dropping them on civilian populations.

There’s little mention that Palestinians die at around 20 times the rate Israelis die despite having less than 20% the population of Israel (and extreme high death rates mean 50% of Palestinians are children).

Gaza is an open air prison where inmates serve life for the crime of being Arabs in their native land. Electricity flows a maximum of 3 hours a day in good times, food is scarce, and under 10% have access to clean water. There are no jobs, and there’s a very good chance your family will die together at home from indiscriminate bombing.

They have nothing to lose because Israel has taken everything from them over 70 years of ever expanding violent military occupation including their humanity.

The Israeli military spokesman said this campaign is intentionally not targeted, and is designed to do maximum damage to Palestine not to target Hamas. That’s another war crime.

Why in the fuck are we supporting and supplying clear undeniable, even proud war criminals!? That should make congress and Biden war criminals themselves. Send them all to The Hague to defend their actions if they think their actions are defensible.

If we use Israel’s metrics, that makes all Americans war criminals prime for righteous retaliation by the law abiding world. Not a good plan.

Edit: Side note- Israel has apparently made no move at all to negotiate hostage releases. In fact, they claim the hostages are held in the very tunnels they are bombing, so they are in fact targeting the hostages. Don’t let them get away with the lie that they are invading and raising the city to save them. They refused to consider pausing bombing for two days in exchange for their release, pretending Hamas might be miraculously completely resupplied and reinforced if they did.

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

I’m not the Lord….but thanks for saying I am, even if unintentionally.

So, it’s more projection then….and more evidence english is your second language at best, and you failed the class, and that you’ve never passed remedial math.

Disgraced traitor and failed dictator tumescent Trump has had the worst week in court history, after testifying that “sure, he did the crimes” he’s set to lose hundreds of millions and all his businesses before going to prison at best, and is set to be in court for treason all through the election, and you just CAN’T admit it. Fortunately the court system doesn’t care if you believe, and neither do independents.

If only there was some undeniable metric to tell how the economy is doing, like GDP (up beyond belief from NEGATIVE 2.3% for Trump to 4.9%), or unemployment (holding at record lows of 3.8 down from 9% Trump left), or wage growth (at 5.3% well above inflation, up from 2.6% under Trump thanks solely to low wage earners losing far more jobs or it would be zero), or inflation numbers (down enough at 3.7% that the fed stopped raising rates) we could look at to see the trends.
So sad there’s nothing we can look at to see and so I guess we’ll just have to take your word for it. 🤦‍♂️

Can you tell us what measurements you use to determine that Bidenomics have failed, or by what measure Trumpenomics were successful? All I know for sure is they are not the normal ones used to evaluate economics because they all point toward Trump’s policies being disastrous and Biden’s being amazing, well above all predictions consistently, so I’m curious what they are.

Ugh…more of the failed lawyer posting from mommy’s basement. How many times will you let this guy make you look stupid before you stop posting his rantings?

The same polling he references said we were getting another red tsunami yesterday…but we didn’t, did we? Republicans lost almost every single contest, even many that seemed to be a lock. Don’t you find it odd that you think Trumpism is so much more popular but every Trump backed candidate consistently loses? Keep clinging to false hope, it’s done so well for you in the last 5 elections. 😂

Now, aren’t you going to explain the mathematics of inflation to me and explain why 75% inflation translates to 140% price increases? I want to learn, and I know you can teach me since you have a firm grasp of math.

bobknight33 said:

Lord you just love clinging to nothingness.

Here Just look at you failed POTUS and ponder that. That whats matter,

Biden is a failed POTUS.
Clear as day.
Bidenomics has failed. You just can admit it.

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

😂 You unbelievable ijit! 😂

I give you verified facts and figures…you scream “NOT!!” And send back randos whining on the interweb about low minimum wage high rent and fake food costs that all got much worse Jan 2017-2021. Typically, you have no facts or statistics to offer because they don’t support your position at all.

Whining about their low wages at entry level jobs, which is a thing conservatives fought hard to keep, never rising rock bottom low wages and ever increasing rent. Now you blame Biden for low minimum wages your party wants even lower and refuses to raise. Under Biden, wages are rising at 4.4%, double inflation and double the rate they increased under Trump, but now mostly at the low end instead of 99% of gains going to the top 1% and nothing (or cuts) to hourly workers under Trump. Profits are record setting too, driving a significant portion of inflation. 😂

Lying about $45 worth of food costing $100 (unless those drink cans are >$10 each not $2, the two old spices are $25, the hidden meat is filet mignon and another >$25 not $10 chicken, you pay $10 for fresh OJ not the $3 I pay, and the card has a gift card inside).

I live in rural Northern California, where everything is expensive…that’s well under $50 in groceries here. 😂 🤦‍♂️

Liars.

Bidenomics staved off a recession/depression everyone predicted after Trump, cut inflation faster than any other western country, raised wages twice as fast as conservatives targeting the low end, and created more jobs than the last 4 Republican presidents combined in 3 years, all while delivering record corporate profits and a strong market.
Trumpenomics was a disaster that lost 3 million jobs, lost actual earning capacity for most (wages rose slower than inflation), had the first ever negative gdp in our lifetimes, caused massive inflation, and lowered our national credit rating for the first time….failed on every metric used to gauge the economy.
And never forget he tried to end democracy, killed 1 million Americans, and IS A RAPIST.
Sleepy grandpa wiped the floor with him from his basement despite all your MAGA fervor and outrage. 😂

Thanks for the laughs. You liars are always hilarious when trying to make a point you know facts and reality don’t support.

bobknight33 said:

Bidenomics is GREAT! NOT

Black Man In Florida Stands His Ground Against Two Armed Men

moonsammy says...

This "stand your ground" shit is so fucking stupid. When the only metric for making it ok to kill someone is "I claim I was scared," it becomes incredibly easy to justify what would otherwise have been an easily avoided death. In this case, dude could have just walked away after the car first drove off. Or gone into the store and called police. Etc. I recognize "call the police" isn't always a good option (so many instances of cops showing up and arresting or shooting the person who called - usually dark-skinned people), but that really SHOULD be the right option here, if things weren't so fucked.

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

ROTFLMFAHS!
The numbers are what they are. Sales down. Prices down. Profits down. Value down. Demand down. Monopoly gone.
Grows at 45%??? Only if you start from the years when it was worth absolutely nothing. Last year they lost over 51% of their value, in the last 18 months they lost even more than 60%, and every metric of future success is looking bad for them today.

A few years ago they had almost 100% of the ev market, with better options just now coming on the market they are already at 50% and are in a market share freefall.

Like I mentioned, Forbes economists all expect further TESLA stock decline, one expects it to reach $25 a share, but you know better. (If profits hold, I say $50 is realistic).

You again pretend you didn’t know that the big 3 spent tens of billions tooling up for ev production lowering their profits while Tesla has drastically slowed expansion (boosting profits) since they can already produce more than twice what they can sell and because their operating capitol has evaporated…and still their profits are shrinking like a shrinkydink in a volcano. 11% buddy. Down to 11% profit margin AND SHRINKING.

Are you saying Tesla stock hasn’t tanked?!? WTF?!? Really, I’ve got to hear this.

Lowered prices why? Because they can’t sell the cars they built. Duh. Also because the large government rebates are ending, making the cars COST more for customers without a price change. You blame covid (which you say isn’t real) but Covid isn’t hurting other manufacturers like Tesla.
I’ve seen plenty of F150 ev’s around…but still no Tesla truck. I see more ev’s on the road from every OTHER manufacturer daily, but the number of Teslas I see has plateaued. I’m in Cali, so I see plenty of ev’s.

Derp. I said clearly I called the TESLA STOCK crash. I told you it was insanely overvalued with a PE near 200. I did not say the stock market would crash, although I did expect a recession late 2020 possibly becoming a depression in 21…Biden’s leadership avoided that. 😂 Your damaged brain can’t stay on topic for two seconds. Jeebus.
The market isn’t tanking, my investments have done well for the last two years…unlike under Trump when I lost money….hand over fist in 2020. But I didn’t put every dime I had in one insanely overpriced inflated bubble stock like you claim you did….of course the economy looks shitty, your stupid investment strategy guaranteed you would lose your shirt.

Truth is, yet again, you can’t follow a short conversation without bending yourself in pretzels and changing subjects. That’s ok, I don’t write these for you. You aren’t capable of comprehension. That’s quite clear.

bobknight33 said:

Clearly you have shit for brains.
Tesla grows at 45%+ YoY
ICE manufacturers have been falling about 7% YoY in growth since late 2017.


You shit for brain takling points:
losing major market share -- ARE you on acid?

FACT they lowered prices 6 times -- thats true. -- Go find why.

FACT that now that they have competition,------ Where in your dreams.Ford GM VW ?? Not even close. by what measure are you using? The bolt is possible but it keeps catching on fire. BYD is the closest.


FACT that I called the crash before it happened -- Lets claim Bull shit. The market is tanking -- Yet to you Biden economy is on fire doing great .. Which is it nutboy?

Truth is, yet again you dont know what you are talking about.

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Bullshit, you liar. You constantly declare the country is doomed because Biden is incompetent and have since before the 2020 election….yet since he was sworn in every metric of national success has improved….but you don’t let a little thing like facts color your opinion.

Or do you mean the shortages nonsense, because you absolutely posted propaganda about fake shortages in summer 21, I remember fact checking you and finding out they were recycling images of empty shelves from 2020 and from other countries on righty media, just like you posted ridiculous nonsense in 2020 claiming BLM had burned multiple entire cities to the ground, using photos from previous years, some wildfire footage, etc to “prove” your point (proving you don’t have one in reality, only in your fantasy world of make believe).

What party? I vote Democrat by default, not choice. Before Trump I never once voted on party lines. He made it a choice of America or Trump. You choose Trump over country, honesty, reality, or sanity every single time. Sycophant!?! Lol. Every stupid accusation a stupid admission. I don’t think there’s one person here besides you and your sock puppet accounts that doesn’t consider you a complete sycophant of and zealous cultist to your Orange messiah who you believe is perfection personified and has never done anything wrong in his lifetime.
I constantly debunk your sycophantic extremist lies, you call that being a lefty sycophant. I don’t think you know what the word means, just like most English words.

What a fool believes, he sees, and you believe some unbelievable nonsense like “indictment will make Trump more powerful and popular than ever. Nov 2020 is a great time to go “all in” on Tesla. Covid is just a mild cold and will disappear by April 2020. Horse dewormer is good medicine for humans, targeted vaccines are bad. Jan 6 was a false flag by BLM and ANTIFA not a failed coup by Trump. 2018, and 2020 will be huge red tsunamis.” Etc. There’s no end to your foolishness, and never once an admission you were wrong despite being wrong over 98% of the time, you just change the subject and refuse to look back at your lies (Ashley Babbitt, Pelosi, etc).

If fools like me were a dime a dozen, this world would be a MUCH better more sane place. Sadly, it’s fools like you that are easy to find and dupe with pleasing (mostly hateful) ridiculous lies. Fools like me rank and score in the 99th percentile, friendo. You don’t even know what that means.

bobknight33 said:

never said such in 2021.

I understand your sycophant mindset towards you party.

Fools like you are a dime a dozen.

America's economy- failing

newtboy jokingly says...

OMFG!!! Gas prices are down, so people are spending less on gas, and that proves a depression is just weeks away despite all economic metrics saying otherwise. We’re doomed, start hoarding tp and run to your bank and take out every dime.

Why I’m ALL-IN On Tesla Stock

newtboy says...

A German mark had value….until it didn’t. Your opinion of “fiat money” isn’t universal by any stretch. You say it’s universally better. I wholeheartedly disagree, and point to Germany and Venezuela as proof. They aren’t outliers either, (looking at Africa).

Gold is useful and valuable. Digital footprints aren’t. Paper notes aren’t. Printed circuits, connectors, anti oxidation, actual physical money, jewelry, etc. gold has intrinsic value, a dollar bill has about 13210 joules, so its intrinsic worth is about 1 small 1 gram stick as kindling and little more….no matter if it’s a $1 or $500 bill or a check for billions. Again, see Germany, where bills were more valuable as firewood than money.

This deflation idea again. Give me 3 examples of deflation harming/ending a nation on the gold standard please, I’ve never heard of it happening. (Edit: as far as I can find, I’m no economics professor, for the most part the gold standard was abandoned worldwide in the early 1930’s and the last remnants removed in the early 70’s by Nixon)

Explain how unsecured notes guard against speculation….don’t just claim it. I don’t see it, people made a mint short selling Venezuelan (and other failed) dollars….speculating they would crash….they did. What?

GDP is the metric that imparts value to unsecured notes offered by countries.

I think you had a mini stroke, the paragraph starting USofA is a word salad with no meaning.

Name 3. I named Germany post ww1….they didn’t get to borrow or ignore their debts. What are you talking about?

So, the only ones that don’t/can’t borrow are all the ones that need to.

Pretending basing your dollar on Bitcoin is the same as basing it on gold is outrageous idiotic bullshit. Just nonsense. Utterly moronic and pure fantasy. Don’t try moving the goalposts, that’s what you said.

Yes, the fed will take gold. They don’t take Bitcoin, do they? How about shells? Pebbles?

Jesus, you just want to argue. You’re rambling, switching positions and going off on tangents.
It’s not about whether someone might accept it, it’s about whether it’s universally accepted at one value and about holding its accepted long term value. People once gladly accepted beanie babies as payment….stupid people.
Arcata Ca printed up Arcata dollars….you could get them cheap, businesses took them. Wanna put your nest egg into them? You say that’s good money, as good as dollars. I’ll sell them to you for gold, and let’s see who’s doing better in 10 years. Or I’ll sell you pebbles for gold. Any currency you want, I’ll sell you for gold. How’s that working with pebbles or shells? Can you buy currency with them?

It has everything to do with how much it’s worth. Stop jumping subjects because your point is failing to convince. An economy based on pebbles fails because their neighbors don’t value pebbles, but if their pebbles are gold, they succeed because gold is valued universally.

What are you talking about, the gold standard’s ability to keep up? Huh?! No keep up necessary, no slow down required, gold trades exactly as fast as everything else. What is this nonsense?!?

You mean you can’t overspend and go deep into debt?! And that’s bad?! In your opinion, not many economists….and what makes you think you can’t borrow against gold? Secured loans are easier and cheaper to come by. WHAT?!?

Yes, unsecured paper money can just be printed forever, you CAN “sell the universe”. (Or sell dollars who’s overall value is based on your country’s value) over and over, then print more and sell 9/10 again, print more, sell again. Eventually that money is worth less than it costs to print, and your creditors get paid off in dollars worth a tiny fraction of what they lent you. Not if it’s backed with gold.

Miracle cure?!? Quote it. I think you misread. Secured notes being better than unsecured notes is not “miracle cure” or perfection, it’s just measurably better, safer, and more stable. No system is perfect.

vil said:

A dollar has value if you can buy shit for a dollar.

Gold likewise has no exchange value if you cant exchange it for goods and services. Its rare and chemically stable and good for memorial coins, has many technical uses and looks cute, but otherwise it hardly matters what symbol for money you choose. There is 200 years of experience with fiat money and gold and silver standards and fiat money has been better, not just usually better or better in some scenario, universally better.

Symbolic money is practical and facilitates quicker turn around prevents deflation makes speculative runs on currency harder and smoothes the economic bumps in the road in general.

GDP is just a metric. Not a bad one but not the actual goal.

USofA is teh most developed. Should have used growing. Deflation in an economy that is growing kills growth.

Restarting countries not only get to ignore their debts, they immediatelly start borrowing again.

The only countries that dont borrow are countries no-one will lend to and countries so rich in some silly resource they can float high in the international currency system without borrowing. Borrowing is good for bussiness.

What is outrageous idiotic bullshit? Believing pegging the value of your paper note to some hoarded luxury makes it a better representation of the mean value of goods and services bought and sold? I could do without gold except for the jacks on my audio cables (just kidding). It does not matter what I exchange for food and gas, if it gets me food and gas, its good money.

Money is what you can pay taxes with. Do they take gold?

If you insist your dollar has the value of some weight of gold how does that influence the willingness of someone else to sell you shit? Unless they specifically intend to buy gold at a fixed price they dont care. They are going to use your dolar to buy some other shit from someone else. So if you take the actual currency out of the equation, when you decide on buying and selling shit you are intuitively comparing that decision with all the other decisions about buying and sellin that you know of. The currency is just a good way to count the measure of usefullness of a product or service and compare among many. Pebbles, bottletops, dollars, gold, pearls, all just a number.

A dollar could be backed by gold or it could not, this has zero impact on the transactions made. What matters is how many transactions are made, at what value, and how much money is available to the entire marketplace in a given period of time. Transactions quickly pass the ability of a gold standard to keep up. If you want a gold standard you have to slow transactions down because you dont have the money for them.

This is why markets need some regulation, otherwise someone might sell the universe twice and then default on one. But a gold standard, at least the type of gold standard I believe was talked about in this thread as a miracle cure, would be too limiting.



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