Maybe a little Kim Jung Il...I'd rather see a hedgehog than a cat!

Yeh, sure, I don't disagree either. But you just don't see N. Korea pointing that discerning eye in their own direction. The cults of personality surrounding Kim Jung Il & Kim Il Sung beat the crap out of any shitty star worship MTV propagates. They just put a teenager in charge of their country because of what his father and grandfather did. Millions of N. Koreans die annually from not having enough to eat. They give any foreign visitor the 'Potemkin Village' treatment. Not to say the points made weren't credible, but showing the worse of American excess doesn't make that America. I don't watch any of the shit that video talked about and neither do you. We can turn it off.

2:14... Future Dictator.

Kim Jung Il look out.

>> ^deedub81:
NetRunner:I guess I'm not sure why people think the hypotheticals can happen, or why they think torture is a reliable or effective means of extracting accurate information.

Oh, but these hypothetical situations can and do happen. We do have terrorists in custody, right this very minute, that know information that is important to the security of our country.
Torture isn't a 100% reliable means of extracting accurate information. I don't know any rational human being who believes that it is. It also is not 100% ineffective. Anybody who argues that torture is 100% ineffective is lying and twisting the truth to get their way. It's a noble motive, but not a noble tactic.
If you think it's wrong, talk about why you believe it's wrong. It's okay for something to work and still be wrong. Assassination could have been a very effective method of getting rid of Saddam Hussein, Kim Jung Il, and other evil dictators, but we've decided that it's immoral, so we don't do it.

Here's a couple of questions I pose to you. Do you believe that the torture of somebody innocent is morally right? How many innocent people's torture is worth how man lives of people? Is it 1:1, 2:1, 1000:1? I'm a numbers guy you're going to have to give me hard numbers, not wishy-washy fuzzy logic.

The point is, unless you set up this ridiculous guideline that everybody agrees with, you will have people fighting against torture. I mean if you could promise for every 1 innocent tortured, 100 people live, that might be a good bet for the acceptance of torture, but if you are not 100% about any type of figure like that, you're just f*ckin' with our heads.

NetRunner:I guess I'm not sure why people think the hypotheticals can happen, or why they think torture is a reliable or effective means of extracting accurate information.


Oh, but these hypothetical situations can and do happen. We do have terrorists in custody, right this very minute, that know information that is important to the security of our country.

Torture isn't a 100% reliable means of extracting accurate information. I don't know any rational human being who believes that it is. It also is not 100% ineffective. Anybody who argues that torture is 100% ineffective is lying and twisting the truth to get their way. It's a noble motive, but not a noble tactic.

If you think it's wrong, talk about why you believe it's wrong. It's okay for something to work and still be wrong. Assassination could have been a very effective method of getting rid of Saddam Hussein, Kim Jung Il, and other evil dictators, but we've decided that crosses a line, so we don't do it.

The very idea, that most of the imbeciles who still use the WMD defense for why America went or shouldn't have been went to Iraq, or anywhere, in mind-numbingly mundane and sophomoric...remedial, that that's one of the only justifications used for why we should not have gone.....while all the while in denial as to the real reasons behind our involvement....Because the same assholes that are giving you your next president use such tripe as distraction-

Fucka WMD, do I need to find them to know that someone like Kim Jung Il should be immediately assassinated, NK's peoples' freed from a lifetime mindfuck???

All for some country(United State of Texas?) dropping a pair, and systematically, against all Geneva edicts, and in the face of worldwide protest from any superpower, go about the task of cleaning the rubbish in human form from the planet.....Start with the top ten Dictators, with the caveat that, as soon as we are finnished with them, we are coming for those who used them to their own financial and geopolitical positioning for the New world Order....You hear that Bush???...Yes, kill him and his entire family, if given the chance.....

Living in the biblebelt m'self, these folks they are interviewing, are the worst kinds of zealots-firstly, most of the folks from full-gospel churches (church of god, pentecostal, and offshoots of "where do we put all the bi-polar and developmentally disabled Christains...(as they are, a stubborn tarnish on the good name of Hay-zeus) are whackjobs with issues. If they we're not devout about Jesus, they'd need sports or drugs or some other sort of reprieve from their inner dialog..... fundamentalism, cult of personality, same difference-it is a group activity for burn-outs or imprint-afflicted, be they followers of programming from Kim Jung Il, from some imam, or blows to the head. Any tunnel reality is!! Ya hear that ya rabid stamp collectors and Trekkie freaks???!!! YER SICK!!! Get out more, interact with birds and bugs or something...AAAUAUAAUGAHHH!

met like 3 Christians in my whole life, that's cause' the real ones don't go around doing shit like this-

"Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward....
"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
"But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly."
Matt:6:2,5-6

God says, "Shut the fuck up!"

upvote for, Eisenstein.....Vlad was sure a prick, wasn't he?

Kim Jung Il...Dangerous, sociopath, Prick.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad ? Cocksucker, Idiot, dangerous, killer.
King Abdullah? Asshole, enabler.
Bashar al-Assad? Coward,cocksucker, killer.
Hugo Chavez? Coward, president-wannabe, asshole, killer.
King Fahd?-Evil cocksucker, Satan would be proud-
Than Shwe of Burma-evil midget dick.
Saparmurad Niyazov of Turkmenistan? Narcissist, asshole, killer.
Muammar Gaddafi?-dangerous little camel-lover.
(really has a nice pool for his cammies, though)
Alexander Lukashenko of Belarus?-Stalin-lover, carbuncle, human waste.
G.W.Bush-Dangerous, connected, from a family of privileged, pricks and assholes.

Please pray for their immediate deaths.

oh and have always maintained, that if it looks like shit, smells like the same, etc., it is...

Can we not all agree that regimes that affect the psyche of an entire country, (N.Korea, Iran) affect all the world? And that any regime fascist/socialist is by very nature a piece of unilateral dog-shit for her peoples?? Then why not utterly destroy by the roots the leader's grip on that nation for the sake of the future of her peoples?? Seems insane to me, that Kim Jung Il is allowed to breathe fucking air??? Shit, give me a missile and a window, and I'll take on the karma....the innocents caught in the crossfire, are developmentally disabled, unfortunately, for life. What is worse, is what it will all come down to.....making choices for the lesser of evils...

Iraq and Bush were a clusterfuck in the making for decades....Al Queda??? She would not be shit if not for the CIA.....wars could not be fought so wonderfully, if all nations did not take part in supplying arms....so Russia? France? Germany? etc.....yeah, white folks have fucked some shit up haven't they?? Destroy the ultra-wealthy, insulated, and hidden white few, and you may get somewhere??


We all know how this will end don't we....All the worse parts of the Bible, not because yer a Christian or not, but because humanity is as predictable as the fucking rain.

jesus fuck me, kim jung il's corporate model for the year new thousand....