>> ^renatojj:

>> ^deathcow:
Anyone who thinks this money is stupidly spent should be keelhauled. Defense and petroleum sucks those kind of funds from Americans in hours.
Huh, look at that. It seems "less stupid than X" passes as smart these days.
I guess in times of record high unemployment is when we need space exploration spending the most. You know, to boost morale!



"Passes as smart?" thanks

The USA defense budget could pay for this entire Mars mission.... in LESS THAN ONE day. The USA annual defense budget is more than the next 15 highest spending countries combined, and many of those countries are USA allies.

Yet... not the right time to spend any money on scientific efforts. We should probably cancel these stupid Mars programs and give Lockheed/Haliburton another TWELVE HOURS of defense budget. Understood... thanks for schooling me on what smart is. Go Romney?

>> ^deathcow:
Anyone who thinks this money is stupidly spent should be keelhauled. Defense and petroleum sucks those kind of funds from Americans in hours.
Huh, look at that. It seems "less stupid than X" passes as smart these days.

I guess in times of record high unemployment is when we need space exploration spending the most. You know, to boost morale!

>> ^messenger:

People aren't looking up into the vastness anymore, but we're still dreaming. Only now, our dreams are in the smallest places we can look, nanotechnology. That's where our next future is coming from, not the moon. People have always dreamed, since long before NASA, and will continue to do so, even if we don't have a multi-billion-dollar telescope looking into the past. Aristochines didn't need NASA to dream, and neither do we. I have no real opinion about NASA, but Neil's argument is flawed. He tends towards flawed arguments frequently for such a prominent scientist, mostly when he's trying to sell NASA to the public.


We still need space. Quite apart from all the stuff we still need to learn about the universe out there, we need resources - energy, materials and room to expand.

We'll also need another home planet because you can guarantee if there's a way humanity could fuck nanotech up, it will. Accidentally or deliberately.

*discard
found better video need space in pqueue

I am not sure what you mean by Pre-inflation exactly. If you mean when the universe was a singularity I would argue that concepts of center do not apply to objects that do not have dimension. More to the point, there was no space when there was just a singularity, a concept of center needs space, it is a quality of center.

I like your analogy, but I don't know if that works in our case. The problem lays in space itself, it has no markers or identifiers. A single unit of space is no different than any other, it is also impossible to know if something is space, or not space. The only thing that is possible to know is the distance that exists between objects in space. Relativity tells us that no observer has the authority to say anything about rest or motion objectively, they are both trapped in subjective prisons. As a result, there is no way to know if something is moving away from a position in space, you can only know if it is moving away from something else. That is the problem with objective space, as far as it concerns humans, there is no such things, so talk about a center of space is meaningless to us. We can only understand objects in space relative to other objects in space, not about space itself.

That is my take on it though, I am not sure I completely understand how relativity is supposed to work in space/time when concerning absolute space. As far as I know, there is not such thing as absolute space in relativity.

>> ^Mcboinkens:


I disagree. Pre-inflation there was a center, and therefore post-inflation must also have a center. Not being able to observe of calculate that center is another story.

Here's my anology: if you took a blob of water(floating, you'll see why in a second), you would have a center in that blob. Add enough heat to vaporize it into a steam cloud instantaneously, and you have a more expansive form of water. However, there is still a center, since it the molecules spread out evenly in all directions(obviously this doesn't happen in the real world but work with me here). Now imagine this cloud is diffusing throughout the room, but the room has no physical limit. It has infinite volume. It may spread unevenly, but logic(and physics) dictates it will tend to spread in all direction. It is expanding still, yet it would still have a center, which was where the blob was initially or close to it.. However, if we just began to observe this steam at the time where it was already spreading throughout the room, we would have no idea where that center was, because it all looks the same density and structure-wise.
Just my thoughts on the subject.

Knocked up 9 months ago
And what she finna have she don't know
She want neo-soul, this hip-hop is old
She don't want no rock-n-roll
She want platinum or ice or gold
She want a whole lotta somethin' to fold
If you a obstacle she just drop ya cold
Cuz one monkey don't stop the show
Little Mary is bad
In these streets she done ran
E'er since when the heat began
I told the girl look here
Calm down I'ma hold your hand
To enable you to peep the plan
Cuz you is quick to learn
And we can make money to burn
If you allow me the latest game
I don't ask for much, but enough room to spread my wings
And the world finna know my name

I don't ask, for much these days
And I don't bitch, and whine, if I don't get my way
I only wanna fertilize another behind my lover's back
I sit and watch it grow standin' where I'm at
Fertilize another behind my lover's back
And I'm keepin' my secrets mine
I push my seed in her push for life
Its gonna work because I'm pushin' it right
If Mary drops my baby girl tonight
I would name her Rock-N-Roll

Uh-huh
Cadillac need space to roam
Where we headin for she don't know
We in the city where the pros shake rattle and roll
And I'm a gaddang rollin' stone
I don't beg I can hold my own
I don't break I can hold the chrome
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My code name is The Only One and Black Thought is bad
These streets he done ran ever since when the game began
I never played the fool
Matta fact I be keepin' it cool
Since money been changing hands
And I'm left to shine, but the legacy that I leave behind be the seed
that'll keep the flame
I don't ask for much but enough room to spread these wings
And the world finna know my name

I don't beg
For no rich man
And I don't scream, and kick, when his shit don't fall in my hands, man
Cuz I know how to still
Fertilize another against my lover's will
I lick the opposition cuz she don't take no pill
Ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-no dear
You'll be keeping my legend alive
I push my seed in her push for life
Its gonna work because I'm pushin' it right
If Mary drops my baby girl tonight
I would name her Rock-N-Roll
Oh-ooh break it down, break it down, break down beat

[break]
I push my seed somewhere deep in her chest
I push it naked cuz I've takin my test
Deliverin' Mary it don't matter the sex
I'm gon' name it rock and roll
I push my seed in my push for life
It's gonna work becuz I'm pushin it right
If Mary drop my baby girl, tonight
I would name her Rock-N-Roll
I would name her Rock-N-Roll
I would name her Rock-N-Roll yeah
I would name it Rock-N-Roll

Damn straight.

There have been a lot of progressive victories in Iran over the last decade, and the youth is ready for change. If we start bullying Iran, we will undo this progress, which is perhaps what the neo-cons are really after here.

Iran needs space to grow, not their populace in body bags.

Oh poor, poor, poor farting bunny, how I love thee, but I need space in my queue for the 2007 Tea Party videos, so... well... you know I could never discard our love, but I must (MUST!) *discard you from my queue. We can cuddle later, fart bunny.