>> ^raverman:

The constant reference to the government intervention being the cause for all problems - and then showing Obama over and over is just stupid.
Everything that is wrong with America can traced over and over again to large corporations Lobbying the government to stack the dice so they can make profit at other peoples expense.
Obama didn't cause the financial crisis. Bush did. For 8 years he trusting free markets and businesses to 'do what's right' without government legislation.
This is along the lines of saying "if only govt would get out the way of Haliburton, the world would be a better place"


Corporations are a big problem, and they have NOTHING to do with free markets. We haven't had free markets in at least 100 years, and it's the corporations that've lobbied to create it that way. You're being sold this lie that free markets and deregulation has created the US's ills, which is nonsense.

Government and corporations are the problem. Here's a neat piece of insight: without government, you wouldn't have corporations. Think on that.

I'm gonna go a head and call this Total Bullshit

This a barely veiled far right libertarian using this as a way to try attack the Obama administration.

The Criticism of 20th Century Communism is fair - but the praise and butt licking of free market business is totally blind to what America has become. The constant reference to the government intervention being the cause for all problems - and then showing Obama over and over is just stupid.

Everything that is wrong with America can traced over and over again to large corporations Lobbying the government to stack the dice so they can make profit at other peoples expense.

Obama didn't cause the financial crisis. Bush did. For 8 years he trusting free markets and businesses to 'do what's right' without government legislation.

This is along the lines of saying "if only govt would get out the way of Haliburton, the world would be a better place"

Also, we need to build a one-way highway along to equator. With massive amounts of cars constantly driving west, we can slow down the earths rotation, thereby slowing down the magma vortices under the earths crust and effectively bringing tectonic movement to a halt.

This would also be a massive economic booster for the construction and automotive sectors, along with the tourism industry for the equatorial countries providing pitstops and Haliburton who gets the contracts to excavate the latrines (beware of faulty wiring).

The only downside is that earth would lose its magnetic field, but political pundits could show that magnetism equals marxism (it's available for all! and both start with an "m"!), so that is easily solvable.

Big win for all.

Remember: God makes a kitten purr for every 40.000 km you drive on the Equatorial Highway!

>> ^Yogi:

No 9/11 was not more significant because we were going to invade Iraq anyways. Look it took me 9 years to earn this education through reading tons of authors and studying tons of declassified documents. I can't exactly distill it down on this board. I will say that you're right it shouldn't be that way in a democratic nation, I put to you that our democracy is broken...it does not work and it was never intended to.


So you refuse to admit that 9/11 had more influence than Haliburton's profits on the decision to invade Afghanistan?

As for Iraq you can take heart, change is in the winds. Gaddafi is far weaker in Libya today, and it appears that all the industrial war machine's desires to launch another American invasion there are being ignored.

If you want to claim Iraq's invasion as horrific, you also get to wear the chain of pride for the world's inaction in Libya as Gaddafi promises a repeat of Tiannanmen square on his people. 3 cheers for Libya's Gaddafi and for America shaking off the chains of the military industrial complex.

>> ^imstellar28:

You would wish such a thing on someone? From what I can see, democracy doesn't have the best track record especially here in the US in the last few decades. Just what they need, a McDonald's at every corner and a Haliburton running the government.
How about a prosperous, fair, and just government and leave it at that? No need to impart (force) our flawed values on the rest of world; lest you forget it's the democratic US that is backing the very authoritarian dictator Egypt is revolting against...
Democracy is a plague, and this is one of it's many petulant symptoms. Mubarak is a puppet, installed and supported with the help of the US...learn it for yourself instead of parroting the blind patriotism of your beloved "democracy."
I bet it sounds noble of you to those who don't know better, though.
>> ^Ti_Moth:
Good luck people of Egypt I wish you a prosperous, secular, fair and democratic government. (You will need the luck).



Just because democracy in the U.S. is a two party farce doesn't mean the Egyptian people shouldn't strive to reach some democratic ideal.

"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."
Sir Winston Churchill

>> ^imstellar28:

You would wish such a thing on someone? From what I can see, democracy doesn't have the best track record especially here in the US in the last few decades. Just what they need, a McDonald's at every corner and a Haliburton running the government.
How about a prosperous, fair, and just government and leave it at that? No need to impart (force) our flawed values on the rest of world; lest you forget it's the democratic US that is backing the very authoritarian dictator Egypt is revolting against...
Democracy is a plague, and this is one of it's many petulant symptoms. Mubarak is a puppet, installed and supported with the help of the US...learn it for yourself instead of parroting the blind patriotism of your beloved "democracy."
I bet it sounds noble of you to those who don't know better, though.
>> ^Ti_Moth:
Good luck people of Egypt I wish you a prosperous, secular, fair and democratic government. (You will need the luck).



The US government sometimes does wrong/unjustifiable/corrupt things. The US's government is a democracy. Therefore, all democracy or democracy itself is wrong/unjustifiable/corrupt.

Care to tell us how this makes sense (i.e. follows logically) and what your alternative is?

You would wish such a thing on someone? From what I can see, democracy doesn't have the best track record especially here in the US in the last few decades. Just what they need, a McDonald's at every corner and a Haliburton running the government.

How about a prosperous, fair, and just government and leave it at that? No need to impart (force) our flawed values on the rest of world; lest you forget it's the democratic US that is backing the very authoritarian dictator Egypt is revolting against...

Democracy is a plague, and this is one of it's many petulant symptoms. Mubarak is a puppet, installed and supported with the help of the US...learn it for yourself instead of parroting the blind patriotism of your beloved "democracy."

I bet it sounds noble of you to those who don't know better, though.

>> ^Ti_Moth:

Good luck people of Egypt I wish you a prosperous, secular, fair and democratic government. (You will need the luck).

What you meant, I believe, is that Obama was the best corporate smooth-talker of 2008.

To start a movement you need two things. Change that is mesurable and verified, and action.

For example, putting out corporations from Congress is not a movement (Because it is not a changing of principles.) Corporate exile is already the promised status quo. Yet those people running for office realize a dreadful truth--we won't vote for them because they are not viable. So this means what? It means we have not voted for those who would kick Haliburton out of Congress and so our movement doesn't give a rat's ass about who pays Congress' salary.

If you want to correct corporate control over elected officials, it would not be a "movement" you are looking for, it would be to fix the movement you already have. (I.E. The Tea Party was supposedly a fix for the republican party. (Unfortunately, in my opinion, they suck... and were exactly the kind of "fix" the republican party did not need.)

A real change, a real movement, however, would be to vote for the guy that doesn't promise voters the moon.

A real change would be to vote for the guy that doesn't have a D or R or I or L in front of his name, but to vote because he isn't an asstard. It would be to vote for the man, not the platform--which is exactly why the republican party is decrepit.

You know what I find most amusing? The left would have been better served by Ron Paul because he would have closed Gitmo, ended Iraq, repealed the Patriot Act and so much more. Instead you got promises based on platforms.

I am a Republican because I don't like the party, not because I do...

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
I'm disappointed in Obama and the democratic congress. I expected much more from them. The most depressing aspect of my problem with Obama is that he was the best option in 2008, and will almost certainly be the best option in 2012. If I vote for him again, I risk sending a message that I condone the continuing corporatization of the democratic party and allow it to further shift to the right in its futile attempt to triangulate.

Why is it that "Haliburton" comes up every time you mention Big Business, President Bush, Government Exemptions, or companies that do what they want and ignore all rules and laws and have no concern for the general public?

@Tymbrwulf

I pretty much agree with everything you just said. I think the prose you wrote above would make an excellent deface to the preface of the new book I prefaced called, 'Elephants That Became A Morass Relay System That Were "Gored" Into A Multi-Platform Supported Prostitute', written by John C. Dvorak and prefaced by me and your stuff near the back. Right before the end; you'll kindly remind the readers that they read 259 pages of nothing. Literally, (literally) nothing, but THIS (plus our stuff):

"Then on that dissmal day did I look fondly over the barren San Francisco skyline and remembered the quote I had stated so long ago, and evermore..so...truth-worthy now..."
----

'Apple makes the arrogant assumption of thinking that it knows what you want and need. It, unfortunately, leaves the “why” out of the equation — as in “why would I want this?” The Macintosh uses an experimental pointing device called a ‘mouse’. There is no evidence that people want to use these things. I dont want one of these new fangled devices.'

I only hope they drag Haliburton into the abyss with them.

>> ^undefined:

>> ^TheFreak:
>> ^Yogi:
Probably the greatest way to control people is to focus their attention elsewhere, such as huge sports spectacles and events like American Idol. In order to prevent a free society from being to democratic you have to make sure to neutralize the public, it's distraction...down to a science.

Yeah, American Idol is obviously a conspiracy. It's not a goofy show designed to appeal to the widest audience possible in order to make piles of money...it's a tool of the goverment to distract us while they...I don't know...do something...obviously something insidious...
Or maybe it IS just a TV show. I guess that makes more sense.

Hence why the brainwashing is so effective. Because people like you and her think it's just a tv show.
No harm could come to our society by becoming emotionally involved in manufactured "reality" show like this woman, right?
Meanwhile, on the rest of the planet.. Tim Geithner's shovelin' into money into the bank accounts of his friends at GoldmanSachs. BP & Haliburton are covering up all their crimes. and Blackwater's still murdering civilians and raping girls in cargo containers.
Tho you're right. It's probably just a tv show.


Oh, please. "People like you"? What a complete misrepresentation of what he said. You're free to provide evidence that this in is fact NOT just a TV show and that the only reason it exists in the first place is because it's what the viewers want to watch, however stupid it and they may be for doing so.

How people react and hinge their lives on it, and how the powers that be benefit/profit from these distractions is a completely different story. Again, unless you have evidence that these mind numbing excuses for entertainment are just a big conspiracy, in the way people on planet Earth normally define it. You might be engaging in intentional hyperbole (if so, then I apologize) but the whole situation is far more complex than the simple-minded conspiratorial ejaculate that some have left here. I see where you guys are going with this line of thought, but it's far too simplified to be taken seriously.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I think Heinlein's Razor also might be useful here.

If American Idol didn't exist, this obese woman in her trailer would definitely be watching the latest news about Geitner, BP and Blackwater. Most assuredly. It's too bad she's brainwashed or she'd do something about the travesties affecting the world.>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:

Hence why the brainwashing is so effective. Because people like you and her think it's just a tv show.
No harm could come to our society by becoming emotionally involved in manufactured "reality" show like this woman, right?
Meanwhile, on the rest of the planet.. Tim Geithner's shovelin' into money into the bank accounts of his friends at GoldmanSachs. BP & Haliburton are covering up all their crimes. and Blackwater's still murdering civilians and raping girls in cargo containers.
Tho you're right. It's probably just a tv show.

>> ^TheFreak:

>> ^Yogi:
Probably the greatest way to control people is to focus their attention elsewhere, such as huge sports spectacles and events like American Idol. In order to prevent a free society from being to democratic you have to make sure to neutralize the public, it's distraction...down to a science.

Yeah, American Idol is obviously a conspiracy. It's not a goofy show designed to appeal to the widest audience possible in order to make piles of money...it's a tool of the goverment to distract us while they...I don't know...do something...obviously something insidious...
Or maybe it IS just a TV show. I guess that makes more sense.


Hence why the brainwashing is so effective. Because people like you and her think it's just a tv show.

No harm could come to our society by becoming emotionally involved in manufactured "reality" show like this woman, right?

Meanwhile, on the rest of the planet.. Tim Geithner's shovelin' into money into the bank accounts of his friends at GoldmanSachs. BP & Haliburton are covering up all their crimes. and Blackwater's still murdering civilians and raping girls in cargo containers.

Tho you're right. It's probably just a tv show.

>> ^Trancecoach:

Of course, Haliburton is in the top three of the most heinous corporations in the world and they are behind this nightmare.


Same themes, same players, over and over and over again. Reminds me of a documentary I saw last month called Gasland.

http://videosift.com/video/Gasland-An-Expos-of-US-Natural-Gas-Drilling-Practices