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Protecting and serving by automobile

newtboy says...

Ahh, I see, the police CLAIMED he pointed it at them during the moment the camera wasn't pointed at him, eh? I'm not sure I can take the word of an officer as fact these days....sadly.
You call it robbery, he was only charged with theft. He had a metal object in his hand, but didn't try to use it on anyone. You call it breaking and entering, but there's no indication the home was closed or that he broke anything, he did enter (trespassing), and did steal a car (not carjacked, so still GTA?), and later a gun (again, only petty theft). My point was it was not reported he threatened or injured anyone (beyond himself) during any of these crimes, so they may not have been violent at all. He was certainly having mental issues. You seem to be saying ANY crime is violent, which you're free to believe, but I'm free to disagree.
No one was seen in danger at the time they ran him over, certainly not in the camera range. In America we aren't supposed to try to kill people for what they MIGHT do sometime in the future, right?
True, they could have handled it worse in many ways, that doesn't mean I can't still see, and exclaim, that they handled it terribly.

I think you said it all in your last paragraph. Deadly force was authorized IF NEEDED, the officer saw an OPPORTUNITY (not a necessity) and took it.

If he truly pointed the gun at someone, it changes my opinion, but unfortunately I can't take a cop's word on that...."he grabbed my taser" (and the hundreds of other lies caught on camera) blows it for every claim they make. Now, if it's not on camera, it didn't happen. Their word is worth less than nothing at this point. They better buy those body cameras quick, because I don't think I'm alone thinking that way.

Protecting and serving by automobile

Mordhaus says...

All the information I referred to or copied was from the link to the CNN article in the link the sifter provided above.

Crimes in which violence is the means to an end, such as robbery, are violent crimes. Violent crimes may, or may not, be committed with weapons. He robbed a store, committed arson on an occupied structure, committed breaking and entering upon a private home, stole the car at said home which is GTA, then committed another robbery at the walmart when he took the gun.

CNN stated that the person was also accused of pointing the rifle at the police, firing it in the air, and then later pointing it at himself. The man clearly has some mental issues, but he was a threat to society in the condition he was in. His rights do not trump the rights of his fellow citizens to be protected from his mental illness.

There are lots of ways that this could have been handled differently, but there are also lots of ways this could have went worse. We could be discussing why the police didn't do more before this guy shot an innocent bystander.

From the interview that I saw on CNN of the police chief, lethal force had been authorized if needed. I think this officer saw an opportunity and took it, perhaps over zealously, to end the situation without harm to innocents.

newtboy said:

First I've heard he pointed it at the police, that's not in any of the videos I've seen. He only pointed it at himself on video. Where did you read that?
He apparently fired because the Walmart employee was yelling to the cop that the gun had a trigger lock and was harmless, and he seemed to be proving it wasn't by firing directly up.
He seemed to be having a serious mental issue, it seemed the first cop understood that and was acting accordingly. Because they could shoot him doesn't mean that trying to kill him is the only, or best solution.
He was involved in multiple crimes, but it wasn't reported he was violent with anyone until your post. Where did you get your info, and who was he violent against?
almost dupeof, but at least...
*related=http://videosift.com/video/Cop-Goes-Into-GTA-Mode-And-Runs-Down-Suspect

Protecting and serving by automobile

Protecting and serving by automobile

newtboy says...

First I've heard he pointed it at the police, that's not in any of the videos I've seen. He only pointed it at himself on video. Where did you read that?
He apparently fired because the Walmart employee was yelling to the cop that the gun had a trigger lock and was harmless, and he seemed to be proving it wasn't by firing directly up.
He seemed to be having a serious mental issue, it seemed the first cop understood that and was acting accordingly. Because they could shoot him doesn't mean that trying to kill him is the only, or best solution.
He was involved in multiple crimes, but it wasn't reported he was violent with anyone until your post. Where did you get your info, and who was he violent against?
almost dupeof, but at least...
*related=http://videosift.com/video/Cop-Goes-Into-GTA-Mode-And-Runs-Down-Suspect

Mordhaus said:

Sorry, the guy had been involved in violent crimes, was armed with a high powered rifle, fired the rifle in the air, pointed it at police, and one of the officers took a chance in taking him down before he hurt himself or others.

People don't understand that they could have simply shot him as soon as he pointed the gun at a cop, with just cause. The fact that the guy lived, and will most likely use this to sue the city and make out like a bandit, is pretty much a win win for him. His lawyer is just blowing it up to make more bank in the lawsuit.

Copy pasta of salient facts, remember, these are in addition to shooting the rifle and pointing it at a cop.

At 6:45 a.m., Valencia robbed a 7-Eleven in Tucson with a metal object in his hand. Authorities said he was dressed only in his underwear. He was charged with theft.

A little more than an hour later, police said, Valencia set a fire at a church for which he was charged with arson of an occupied structure.

Just after that he entered a home and stole a car, police said.

Authorities said he drove to a Walmart where he stole a .30-30 rifle and ammunition. He fled the store with Walmart employees in pursuit.

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RedSky says...

This whole kerfuffle is so pointless. Big budgets games are mostly bought by males so developers target them to males. Somer are androgynous (e.g. Bioware), some bland, alpha male and a-feminine (Call of Duty) and a few arguably stereotypically caricaturing of women (GTA).

If you publish a strong opinion on the internet and it garners attention, you will attract trolls. Surprise! The internet is full of assholes and bigots of all kinds not just mysoginists.

As far as casual or mobiles games, women already outnumber men. As games become culturally accepted entertainment for women, mobile games gravitate to bigger screens with faster chips, a more significant market for big budget games targeted at women will develop. There, end of story.

Here Kitty Kitty ... ohhhh NOOOOOO! GTA V/5

Here Kitty Kitty ... ohhhh NOOOOOO! GTA V/5

ant jokingly says...

It is a good thing there are no hedgehogs and ants in GTA series.

00Scud00 said:

It's funny really, I can watch people get shot in the face all day long in this game and barely flinch, but I see kitty get run over and I feels bad. I am a bad, bad man.

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