>> ^dag:

I think you need to substitute "loses" for "uses to provide a valuable service"
>> ^lantern53:
Medicare is efficient? it loses $60B a year.
If socialism worked, the US would be hip-deep in gold toilet seats.



What doesn't follow under that heading, really.

>> ^VoodooV:

One thing I have yet to understand is the relationship between the Tea Party and Republicans. Part of me wants to think the whole thing is just a scam. Tea Partiers are obviously just angry racist Republicans. But then you have Tea Partiers running against Republicans and fracturing the red vote, ensuring that Obama is going to win, even with portions of the left that are unhappy with him.

You're pretty close to grokking the relationship, you just need to add one more word. "Tea Partiers are obviously just angry racist STUPID Republicans." Too stupid to realize that the policies they claim to want would hurt them terribly...and too stupid to realize that they're ensuring they lose. Thank god.

That's great and all, but the entire country would be better off if our society would do the right thing and admit going gung ho towards a free market is short sighted, and destructive to everyone in the economy.

So why not get better at busting medicaid fraud?! There's police fraud, but no one is going around saying we need to abolish police. There's insurance fraud, but we don't make insurance illegal. I could go on and on.

BTW, America's poor, most of them own their own homes?! Where on earth do you get these statistics?! The homeownership rate for all of the US is 66.4% in Q1 of 2011 and declining. Gee, I wonder who makes up the vast majority of the 33.6% that don't own their own homes. Prove most poor people own two cars, two computers, 3 TVs, etc. Prove it, show me actual data that proves it. Don't just make outlandish claims you can't back up.

Do you just sit around all day and make crap up?

Edit: just for fun, I looked up statistics for fraud in Medicaid. Nowhere can I find Medicaid fraud estimated at $60 billion annually.

>> ^quantumushroom:

You gotta bunch of fatalist losers in the audience who believe life is a zero-sum game, that is, in order for one person to win, another must lose. Not one of them has the understanding that wealth is not finite slices of pie, the pie itself is getting larger all the time.
America's "poor" are the wealthiest poor in the world. Most own their own homes, have two cars, air-conditioning, 2 computers, 3 TVs, etc. And that's on top of "free" food and health care.
I'm not so cavalier as to believe losing 60 billion dollars EVERY YEAR to fraud, waste and abuse means nothing, but it really highlights the liberal mindset. When you're taking someone else's money at gunpoint, you really don't care how hard they had to work to earn it.

>> ^quantumushroom:

You gotta bunch of fatalist losers in the audience who believe life is a zero-sum game, that is, in order for one person to win, another must lose. Not one of them has the understanding that wealth is not finite slices of pie, the pie itself is getting larger all the time.
America's "poor" are the wealthiest poor in the world. Most own their own homes, have two cars, air-conditioning, 2 computers, 3 TVs, etc. And that's on top of "free" food and health care.
I'm not so cavalier as to believe losing 60 billion dollars EVERY YEAR to fraud, waste and abuse means nothing, but it really highlights the liberal mindset. When you're taking someone else's money at gunpoint, you really don't care how hard they had to work to earn it.


Like Spitzer said to Kibbe, "You're so wrong on so much of that I don't know where to begin"

You're either incompetent, deliberately lying, or both.

Speaking for myself, by QM's deluded logic, I obviously don't live in America, because I don't even have HALF of what QM claims the poor have.

But that can't be....I'm a public employee, I should have 10 cars and 5 homes if that were true.

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http://www.insurance-advocate.com/Streamlining-Medicaid-the-Key-To-NY-Health-Care-Reform-c784.html

Considering it didn't happen but a few years ago, it would be very difficult to tell what positive influence it has had and will have, and his point wasn't that he fixed medicaid in NY by himself, and it's done. He said he changed it, and it's those kinds of reforms that will be needed to fix it.

I won't say he's right or wrong about it, because it remains to be seen if this kind of reform will work, but I'm glad you've already made your mind up due to your ideology.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

Video is standard BM BS. A bunch of communists tossing out ad-hominems as a means to deflect genuine criticism of failed socialist systems in front of clapping sheep. Spitzer in particular is a complete idiot. When asked about "what do you do with the unfunded liabilities" he says a bunch of complete nonsense and then accuses the other guy of being biased. He 'changed New York'? Oh yeah - NY's medicare/medicaid is TOTALLY solvent thanks to Eliot Spitzer.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

The neolib meme that people who belong to the Tea Party are racists has long ago been debunked. The Tea Party is not motivated by race.


Care to cite any evidence of this so-called debunking? Should be easy if it happened a long time ago.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

Video is standard BM BS. A bunch of communists tossing out ad-hominems as a means to deflect genuine criticism of failed socialist systems in front of clapping sheep.


uhh..look up the definition of ad hom sometime PP. Accusing someone of being biased is not an ad hom attack. Yet another example of Republican Persecution Complex. Trying to find bogeymen when there are none.

So you wouldn't happen to have partaken in the benefits of these crazy "socialistic" experiments called.. public schools and/or municipal water, electricity and sanitation

..Would you? o_O?

yeah,that's what i thought.

now stfu and try doing things for yourself for once.


>> ^TangledThorns:

Ohh poor liberals getting their ass kicked by the American people? Boo hoo, no failed socialism for you. Sorry liberals, try doing things for yourself for once.

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>> ^MrFisk:

Oops, force of habit. promote


Thanks!

>> ^srd:

Of course Mr. Kibbe is reality-resistant. He isn't arguing from a position of conviction, he's arguing an ideological point he's been paid to push. He's PR, marketeer and lobbyist all wrapped into one. I think that he personally doesn't give a flying love-act either way as long as the money is right.


I have to admit, I was surprised he never fought back at all. Spitzer utterly demolishes him and he just sits there.

One thing I have yet to understand is the relationship between the Tea Party and Republicans. Part of me wants to think the whole thing is just a scam. Tea Partiers are obviously just angry racist Republicans. But then you have Tea Partiers running against Republicans and fracturing the red vote, ensuring that Obama is going to win, even with portions of the left that are unhappy with him.

All I can say is that Democrats have been known for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory so I don't flippin care if it seems like an easy victory for Dems in 2012, they said the same thing for running against Bush in 2004. So the left better get out there and VOTE. Hell, if the left werent so stereotypically lazy about voting, they'd probably still hold congress and we wouldn't be in the debit limit mess in the first place!

>> ^srd:

Of course Mr. Kibbe is reality-resistant. He isn't arguing from a position of conviction, he's arguing an ideological point he's been paid to push. He's PR, marketeer and lobbyist all wrapped into one. I think that he personally doesn't give a flying love-act either way as long as the money is right.


If he was living in reality, he'd shave those stupid sideburn things.

>> ^lantern53:

Medicare is efficient? it loses $60B a year.
If socialism worked, the US would be hip-deep in gold toilet seats.


Medicare WOULD be way more efficient if it didn't have to deal with all the bullshit of a privatized system. There's soo much bullshit to go through we lose tons of money with our inefficient health system, it's ridiculous. Single payer would actually save us money...which is why Obamacare got traction in the first place and got passed...because GM noticed it had to pay 2,000 more a care in Detroit than across the way in Windsor (Canada) just because of Health care BS.

By your logic, then the Department of Defense is the worst federal program in the history of all gov't programs, and it's not socialist.

>> ^lantern53:

Medicare is efficient? it loses $60B a year.
If socialism worked, the US would be hip-deep in gold toilet seats.