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Dennis Ritchie - Father of C and UNIX is Dead

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ChaosEngine says...

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I'm curious what the go-to languages are these days, in your opinion. I have a programming background (high school and the local community college) but have spent the last 15 years in networking and servers. I've done some scripting in Perl and really enjoyed it. I've got Python on my todo list. What else do you think might be worth a look?

>> ^ChaosEngine:

Honestly, outside of embedded programming, if you sit down and start writing new code in C these days, you need your head examined.



I guess it depends on what you want to create. For windows apps, it's hard to go past C# for front or back end. For web based stuff, Ruby or php. Python is really useful and if you want something to really change the way you look at programming, Haskell or LISP. Java is still quite popular, but I personally never warmed to it.

And then, of course there's objective-c for iOS.

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xxovercastxx says...

I'm curious what the go-to languages are these days, in your opinion. I have a programming background (high school and the local community college) but have spent the last 15 years in networking and servers. I've done some scripting in Perl and really enjoyed it. I've got Python on my todo list. What else do you think might be worth a look?

>> ^ChaosEngine:

Honestly, outside of embedded programming, if you sit down and start writing new code in C these days, you need your head examined.

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Dennis Ritchie - Father of C and UNIX is Dead

ChaosEngine says...

>> ^schlub:

You also have to consider that many, many newer languages have their roots in C. And many share the same (or similar) syntax since C is used as their model (C++, Java, Javascript, C#, Perl, D, etc...). But, I definitely disagree that C is past its prime. It is still used everywhere, not just embedded programming. It's used for drivers, OS kernels, windows apps, shell apps, compilers, interpreters, windowed desktop managers, etc, etc, etc... It's not great for RAD though, that's for sure!
C rullz!!


Yes, it's still used everywhere. No, that's not a good thing. 99% of the time you read about some security vulnerability being patched, there'll be a C buffer overrun there.

Is it still a useful tool? Absolutely. When you get down to the really low level stuff, it's everywhere and the reason it's everywhere is because it's so trivial to write a compiler for. But for the majority of people, there's simply no reason to use it and yet many still do, hence we have security issues, applications that leak memory and painters algorithms everywhere.

Writing a program in C is like preparing a meal with fugu. In the hands of someone who knows what they're doing, you can have a great meal, but get it wrong and you poison your guests.

Dennis Ritchie - Father of C and UNIX is Dead

Sylvester_Ink says...

Embedded programming is currently one of the biggest programming fields out there. Add to that any sort of low level system programming (such as the Linux kernel), and you'll see there's a reason why it sees so much use to this day. It's certainly not an easy language to use, but if you want results in those fields, you use it.
>> ^ChaosEngine:

>> ^chtierna:
From Wiki:
"C (pronounced like the letter C) is a general-purpose computer programming language developed between 1969 and 1973..."
... and still going strong. That says it all.

That's unfortunately true. No disrespect to dmr; C was a great language for it's time, and tonnes of great things were achieved with it, but it's well past it's use by date for most tasks.
Honestly, outside of embedded programming, if you sit down and start writing new code in C these days, you need your head examined.
That said, dmr was one of computer sciences true innovators, and will be missed.

Dennis Ritchie - Father of C and UNIX is Dead

ChaosEngine says...

>> ^chtierna:

From Wiki:
"C (pronounced like the letter C) is a general-purpose computer programming language developed between 1969 and 1973..."
... and still going strong. That says it all.


That's unfortunately true. No disrespect to dmr; C was a great language for it's time, and tonnes of great things were achieved with it, but it's well past it's use by date for most tasks.

Honestly, outside of embedded programming, if you sit down and start writing new code in C these days, you need your head examined.

That said, dmr was one of computer sciences true innovators, and will be missed.

Victoria Jackson Goes to "Occupy Wall Street" - Part 1

wormwood says...

I can't figure her out. The editing shows her giving super-cliched softball questions/talking-pooints to better-than-average articulate people who effectively shoot her down every time (IMHO). I'm sure she could have shown interviews with rather more incoherent protesters that might make her seem at least a little bit more clever. That seems like a technique of someone doing satire (of Dennis Miller?), but might also be the technique of someone without a clue in the world. I've seen clips of her spouting Tea Party rhetoric before and again wondered if it was satire, but combined with this I am leaning on the side of her expressing her actual views (without a clue in the world). What is that Internet rule about extremist opinion being indistinguishable from satire?

RON PAUL WINS STRAW POLL! So... Lets Talk About Herman Cain

shagen454 says...

I like Ron Paul... I probably would not vote for him, instead I would just not vote at all and give into bitterness. But, if Dennis Kucinich gets involved as Pauls running mate I will be absolutely sold on the idea of voting for them.

I seriously have me some man love for Kucinich. He is an angel from a different dimension where Spock mated with elves and they formed a utopian society by bonding over Working Class Hero, fighting off the evil mages and making love to fine women.

Peter Murphy - Cuts You Up

Audience at GOP Debate Cheers Letting Sick Man Die

blankfist says...

>> ^NetRunner:

>> ^blankfist:
>> ^NetRunner:
>> ^blankfist:
I wish there was a medical system in the US that took care of all of us. I really do. And I'd much rather my tax dollars go to that

We can make your dream of universal taxpayer-funded health care come true! I'll be counting on your support when the GOP tries to repeal Obamacare.
It'll be you, me, and Dennis Kucinich out there yelling for single payer, and getting shouted down by Ron Paul and all the rest of the libertarian and conservative movements who want to make sure we let people die if they can't pay for the treatment they need.

How are those cherries tasting you've been picking?

Wait, you didn't really mean it? My heart is broken.
Does this mean you'd let him die if he couldn't pay?
I'm just asking if failure to pay for a service means you shouldn't get that service, no matter how dire your need for it is. If we were talking about someone buying cherries, you wouldn't be dodging the question, you'd be pretty steadfast in saying "you don't pay, you don't get cherries", because that's what the law of property demands.
Well, substitute "life-saving medical treatment" for cherries. Do the laws change, or do they stay the same?
PS: How do you like them apples cherries!


I don't think we should have compulsory healthcare. I think in a post-industrialized free nation we should have something better. But that would require the government getting out of healthcare altogether and letting the free market care for people. I understand that scares most of you.

But he's right that churches and hospitals used to care for people. Then sometime in the '60s (pardon me for being too tired right now to research it and find links) government got involved and it all went to shit. They got involved and started telling people how healthcare should be run. How doctors and physicians could care for people. And who could and couldn't give treatment. Also it's government's fault we tend to get health insurance through our work, which drives up costs. Again, I apologize for not getting you links, but maybe some other time. Tired and it's dinner time.

Now we have big corporate health insurance companies that are more of the problem. They get away with murder. Pun intended. I'd like to see the entire thing reformed, but not your one-size-fits-all-steal-peoples-money-to-fund-it way.

Audience at GOP Debate Cheers Letting Sick Man Die

NetRunner says...

>> ^blankfist:

>> ^NetRunner:
>> ^blankfist:
I wish there was a medical system in the US that took care of all of us. I really do. And I'd much rather my tax dollars go to that

We can make your dream of universal taxpayer-funded health care come true! I'll be counting on your support when the GOP tries to repeal Obamacare.
It'll be you, me, and Dennis Kucinich out there yelling for single payer, and getting shouted down by Ron Paul and all the rest of the libertarian and conservative movements who want to make sure we let people die if they can't pay for the treatment they need.

How are those cherries tasting you've been picking?


Wait, you didn't really mean it? My heart is broken.

Does this mean you'd let him die if he couldn't pay?

I'm just asking if failure to pay for a service means you shouldn't get that service, no matter how dire your need for it is. If we were talking about someone buying cherries, you wouldn't be dodging the question, you'd be pretty steadfast in saying "you don't pay, you don't get cherries", because that's what the law of property demands.

Well, substitute "life-saving medical treatment" for cherries. Do the laws change, or do they stay the same?

PS: How do you like them apples cherries!

Audience at GOP Debate Cheers Letting Sick Man Die

blankfist says...

>> ^NetRunner:

>> ^blankfist:
I wish there was a medical system in the US that took care of all of us. I really do. And I'd much rather my tax dollars go to that

We can make your dream of universal taxpayer-funded health care come true! I'll be counting on your support when the GOP tries to repeal Obamacare.
It'll be you, me, and Dennis Kucinich out there yelling for single payer, and getting shouted down by Ron Paul and all the rest of the libertarian and conservative movements who want to make sure we let people die if they can't pay for the treatment they need.


How are those cherries tasting you've been picking?

Audience at GOP Debate Cheers Letting Sick Man Die

NetRunner says...

>> ^blankfist:

I wish there was a medical system in the US that took care of all of us. I really do. And I'd much rather my tax dollars go to that


We can make your dream of universal taxpayer-funded health care come true! I'll be counting on your support when the GOP tries to repeal Obamacare.

It'll be you, me, and Dennis Kucinich out there yelling for single payer, and getting shouted down by Ron Paul and all the rest of the libertarian and conservative movements who want to make sure we let people die if they can't pay for the treatment they need.



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