So which crusade are we on now?

This song has been around since the 5th crusade (1217-1221) and has a lot of modern reinterpretations. However Qntals versions are easily some of the best.

Some more information on the Palästinalied kann be found here, including a partial translation into modern english (unfortunately not a side-by-side version of the lyrics).

I don't have anything in particular against religion. In fact I believe that the level of global cultural evolution still needs it to a certain degree.
However, the problem lies in the stasis of its moral values. Moral codes present in scripture which might have once made perfect sense to keep people from barbarism no longer apply but are still strictly interpreted by overzealous followers.
The question I often pose to devout believers is what they view as worse- the rise of atheism (and the feared loss of moral values) or the misinterpretation of their own religious belief system (the only pseudo-logical explanation people supply for some of the less humane passages of scripture is after all that it should be interpreted in a different way).

IF religiously based values/faith are so dear and right I'd bet a whole lot more people would (re-)convert to ones system of faith if it didn't mean being thrown back into the dark ages of religious crusades (Catholics, Mormons and Protestants haven't even settled their score yet).

Bummer, I need to read up again about what the different sub-branches of religion think of each other- I remember it was quite funny in a tragic kind of way...

>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:

@lesserfool
ugh, please don't be a thoughtless dickface and ascribe some pretentious contrarian attitude to me just so you can start flamin'.
I don't buy food from McDonalds for a reason.
Not because McDonalds is too mainstream and I wanna fight "the man"..
But because McDonalds makes shitty, plastic filled, unhealthy as fuck food.
The first episode of Epic Meal Time was great.
This, however, is nothing more than a shitty viral advertizement for Gear of War 3.
Most people come to VideoSift in order to AVOID scrolling thru pages of mindless drivel and commercials.
I for one would like to keep it that way.


@GenjiKilpatrick
All I hear from you is a lot of name-calling and signs that you identify with a website too much. Who is the most pretentious person in this thread. I even agree with you in principle (within reason) but your crusade on this video is silly.

yes, yes, bat shit insanity and conjecture will end any argument on the internet. you win, oh righteous one. i'm the miserable, terrified twat. i'll shake in fear with all my womanly sin until the all might god smites me proper on judgement day. amen. >> ^shinyblurry:

This thread is just full of discretion and common sense. <rolls eyes> Listen, it's clear that you're filled with anger at God and bitterness about your life. It is fairly emenating from you. Since you're spoiling for a fight with me I'll just lay it out for you. The reason bad things happen is because this is a fallen world. We're all sinners and we all deserve hell and nothing more. You seem to think you're owed something because bad things happened to you, but God isn't your debtor. He is your judge. He is merciful towards you because He desires your repentance, but if you refuse to repent of your sins and submit to His authority then you're going to end up in hell. Your self-righteousness doesn't justify you before a Holy God, it condemns you.
>> ^peggedbea:
oh, i didn't imply that the goal of the video wasn't to garner the creator attention. i implied that the goal of the video wasn't for SEXUAL attention.
once again, you storm into a topic as a moral crusader and come out the other end as an ignorant, judgmental twat.
maybe you can't look at a boob without getting an inappropriate boner, but don't assume the rest of us can't use discretion and common sense like adults.
oh and @ForgedReality you're being such a raging douchebag, it just inspired me to text my boyfriend and thank him for not being a fucking douchebag. i'm sorry for the woman who has to have sex with your judgmental, immature, passive aggressive, socially stunted ass. in my head i just decided you were 16 so that we can at least all have hope that one day you will grow out of it. >> ^shinyblurry:
Yes, showing off your breasts in public isn't a cheap ploy for attention. That makes sense.
>> ^peggedbea:
i'm pretty sure that wasn't the goal. it was a funny, silly, stupid thing she can do with her enormous boob. i, for one, am impressed. my stupid average size boobs cant do tricks like that.
just because there are boobs in a video, doesn't mean they're there to impress men. that isn't our main function, desire, aspiration. once again, get over your self. >> ^shinyblurry:
So you approve of this? Do you feel that women should degrade themselves to get the approval of men?
>> ^peggedbea:
and as for you, give it a rest. go stand out the strip club and save souls there. or foam at the mouth screaming at whores at the abortion clinic if your so concerned with womankind and our dainty little souls. >> ^shinyblurry:
@UsesProzac Do you have even a modicum of dignity or self respect? You have promoted yourself as a harlot and you draw mens attention with lasciviousness. You are prostituting yourself and it is revolting.

This thread is just full of discretion and common sense. <rolls eyes> Listen, it's clear that you're filled with anger at God and bitterness about your life. It is fairly emenating from you. Since you're spoiling for a fight with me I'll just lay it out for you. The reason bad things happen is because this is a fallen world. We're all sinners and we all deserve hell and nothing more. You seem to think you're owed something because bad things happened to you, but God isn't your debtor. He is your judge. He is merciful towards you because He desires your repentance, but if you refuse to repent of your sins and submit to His authority then you're going to end up in hell. Your self-righteousness doesn't justify you before a Holy God, it condemns you.

>> ^peggedbea:
oh, i didn't imply that the goal of the video wasn't to garner the creator attention. i implied that the goal of the video wasn't for SEXUAL attention.
once again, you storm into a topic as a moral crusader and come out the other end as an ignorant, judgmental twat.
maybe you can't look at a boob without getting an inappropriate boner, but don't assume the rest of us can't use discretion and common sense like adults.
oh and @ForgedReality you're being such a raging douchebag, it just inspired me to text my boyfriend and thank him for not being a fucking douchebag. i'm sorry for the woman who has to have sex with your judgmental, immature, passive aggressive, socially stunted ass. in my head i just decided you were 16 so that we can at least all have hope that one day you will grow out of it. >> ^shinyblurry:
Yes, showing off your breasts in public isn't a cheap ploy for attention. That makes sense.
>> ^peggedbea:
i'm pretty sure that wasn't the goal. it was a funny, silly, stupid thing she can do with her enormous boob. i, for one, am impressed. my stupid average size boobs cant do tricks like that.
just because there are boobs in a video, doesn't mean they're there to impress men. that isn't our main function, desire, aspiration. once again, get over your self. >> ^shinyblurry:
So you approve of this? Do you feel that women should degrade themselves to get the approval of men?
>> ^peggedbea:
and as for you, give it a rest. go stand out the strip club and save souls there. or foam at the mouth screaming at whores at the abortion clinic if your so concerned with womankind and our dainty little souls. >> ^shinyblurry:
@UsesProzac Do you have even a modicum of dignity or self respect? You have promoted yourself as a harlot and you draw mens attention with lasciviousness. You are prostituting yourself and it is revolting.

oh, i didn't imply that the goal of the video wasn't to garner the creator attention. i implied that the goal of the video wasn't for SEXUAL attention.

once again, you storm into a topic as a moral crusader and come out the other end as an ignorant, judgmental twat.

maybe you can't look at a boob without getting an inappropriate boner, but don't assume the rest of us can't use discretion and common sense like adults.

oh and @ForgedReality you're being such a raging douchebag, it just inspired me to text my boyfriend and thank him for not being a fucking douchebag. i'm sorry for the woman who has to have sex with your judgmental, immature, passive aggressive, socially stunted ass. in my head i just decided you were 16 so that we can at least all have hope that one day you will grow out of it. >> ^shinyblurry:

Yes, showing off your breasts in public isn't a cheap ploy for attention. That makes sense.
>> ^peggedbea:
i'm pretty sure that wasn't the goal. it was a funny, silly, stupid thing she can do with her enormous boob. i, for one, am impressed. my stupid average size boobs cant do tricks like that.
just because there are boobs in a video, doesn't mean they're there to impress men. that isn't our main function, desire, aspiration. once again, get over your self. >> ^shinyblurry:
So you approve of this? Do you feel that women should degrade themselves to get the approval of men?
>> ^peggedbea:
and as for you, give it a rest. go stand out the strip club and save souls there. or foam at the mouth screaming at whores at the abortion clinic if your so concerned with womankind and our dainty little souls. >> ^shinyblurry:
@UsesProzac Do you have even a modicum of dignity or self respect? You have promoted yourself as a harlot and you draw mens attention with lasciviousness. You are prostituting yourself and it is revolting.

@heropsycho
Re:war on terror as religious crusade
dismiss, ignore, ignore, deny, dismiss. You're not going to dismiss/deny the other two examples?

Re:Obama and Christianity
Obama claims to be Christian, that's the standard you use for Breivik.

Re:Obama is not intentionally trying to kill civilians
False. It's accepted collateral damage. Raining down hellfire missiles leveling apartment buildings, assassinating entire wedding parties, etc. is terrorism.

Re:Terror bombings in Tripoli
Sorry, everything we are doing in Libya violates U.S. and international law. It's irrelevant what the mission is. Bombing civilian areas and doing fly-overs for hours is done for one purpose: to incite fear into the civilian population i.e. terrorism

Re:"It's pretty silly to site an operation that inadvertently killed civilians to achieve a better life for the Libyan people at large."
It's pretty silly you believe that garbage.

Re:Extreme progressives
So you admit that "progressive" is just another hollow label? What's the difference between regular progressives and "extreme progressives" say...5 years ago? There wasn't. But now it's progressive to illegally bomb other countries.

Thanks for making my point.

Being the biggest backers doesn't mean it's being done for religious purposes.

I'm not debating some see it that way. You also have a bunch of people who didn't, too.

Where in that link did Tony Blair was quoted saying this was part of a Christian struggle?! It's loosely about believing it's a good versus evil thing. It's not about killing Muslims because Muslims are evil, or demoralizing Muslim culture to make room for Christian culture.. If you believe it was about killing Muslims, or advancing the interests of Christianity at the expense of Islam, you need your head examined. At no point was Blair ever on a Christian Crusade.

A VERY small group of evangelical Christian soldiers doesn't make the case.

Now, about Obama and Christianity. You do realize Obama at this point pretty much goes to church because it's a political liability if he doesn't. He quite possibly is the least religious president to ever be in office.

He is not intentionally trying to kill Civilians. #1. The statistics you sited are skewed concerning civilian casualties, although I'm not dismissing civilian casualties. Significant civilian casualties have been a mainstay in military action since WWII on all sides, after a brief reprieve in WWI and other wars leading up to it. You do the best you can to limit them while achieving your objectives. The reality is you won't achieve anything if you try to avoid any civilian casualties.

With that said, the article is discussing Predator drone casualties only, which is a small fraction of total casualties. And even then, you have a dispute on statistics, and I agree the US military is not going to give an unbiased number either. However, it's very difficult to tell what the accurate number is at this point.

See the above about civilian casualties as collateral damage. It would be difficult to achieve anything if the primary focus was to avoid them instead of achieving objectives.

Does all this add up to terrorism? No, for several reasons:

1. It isn't intentional, not any part of the objective in conducting them. Terrorist acts are specific explicit targeting of civilians. Often, the more civilians you kill, the better when you're a terrorist.
2. You sited bombings in Tripoli. Part of the objectives in that raid is to topple the oppressive regime in Libya, is it not? And yes, I completely accept that we're not just there for that. Libya has oil resources, etc. we're interested in, but it doesn't change the fact that part of the reason we're there is to free the Libyan people from an oppressive regime. It's pretty silly to site an operation that inadvertently killed civilians to achieve a better life for the Libyan people at large.

Extreme progressives are critical of Obama for many of the things you're siting. Obama isn't an extreme progressive, socialist, communist, etc. as much as QM and WP would love for you to believe. He's a moderate politician who leans to the left. If that's the indictment, I don't think anyone would disagree he's not the most liberal progressive politician since FDR. He's not. To say however he isn't progressive at all is not true either. Honestly, as much oil as there is in Libya, it's not worth military action. There's a bit of idealist progressivism to conduct air strikes against Libya.

And again, I fail to see how that's relevant to the debate of the religion of this guy. He is a Christian, there's no doubt about it. Granted, he's got a warped Christian ideology, but it is Christian. You can't say someone isn't Christian just because you don't agree with their interpretation.

>> ^marbles:

>> ^heropsycho:
The war on terror isn't being waged based on an overt Christian ideology. There's the difference. There are plenty of Muslims in the US military who see no problem fighting radical Islam. Not sure how you missed that, but it's pretty obvious. This guy performed terrorist acts because of his warped Christian ideology.
My second point is wtf does Obama and Progressivism have to do with any of this? Short answer: it doesn't. And yes, this guy is clearly a Christian of the super-nutty variety. Every religion, and even atheists, have their nuts. Why is this so shocking to anyone?
>> ^marbles:
>> ^heropsycho:
1. How so?
2. WTF does that have to do with anything in this video?!
>> ^marbles:
The war against terror is largely a "Christian" crusade and yet I don't see you guys up in arms about it.
Any "progressive" that supports Obama or the Democrat Party is about as much progressive as Breivik is Christian.


1. Christian war hawks bombing and invading Muslim countries. Do some research.
2. Does this video not suggest Breivik is a Christian terrorist?


And as far as the war on terror as a Christian crusade, you have:
-Conservative Christians as the biggest backers of the Iraq war (link)
-Pentagon officials that see the "war on terror" as a religious war between Judeo-Christian civilization and Satan, with Islam of course cast in the latter role (link)
-President Bush using Biblical prophesy to justify the war in Iraq (link)
-Prime Minister Tony Blair viewing his decisions to go to war in Iraq and Kosovo as part of a "Christian battle" (link)

-US Military trying to convert Arabs to Christianity (link)(link)
These examples are just the surface, they don't even really delve into the Zionist components of the wars.

As for your second point--short answer: it has everything to do with it. It exposes your own hypocritical POV. (along with many other's)
Obama is a self professed Christian. He indiscriminately kills civilians with military drones (some estimates put the civilian death rate at 90%, the other 10% are just suspects executed without due process)(link)
Is this not terrorism?
Is Obama not a Christian terrorist?
There is ongoing torture of uncharged suspects, many who are innocent civilians, many who we know are innocent civilians. (link)(link)(link)(link)
Just recently, NATO bombing runs in Tripoli would last for several hours, hitting civilian targets and killing innocents. (link)(link)
Is this not terrorism that is fully supported by Obama and progressives?

>> ^heropsycho:

The war on terror isn't being waged based on an overt Christian ideology. There's the difference. There are plenty of Muslims in the US military who see no problem fighting radical Islam. Not sure how you missed that, but it's pretty obvious. This guy performed terrorist acts because of his warped Christian ideology.
My second point is wtf does Obama and Progressivism have to do with any of this? Short answer: it doesn't. And yes, this guy is clearly a Christian of the super-nutty variety. Every religion, and even atheists, have their nuts. Why is this so shocking to anyone?
>> ^marbles:
>> ^heropsycho:
1. How so?
2. WTF does that have to do with anything in this video?!
>> ^marbles:
The war against terror is largely a "Christian" crusade and yet I don't see you guys up in arms about it.
Any "progressive" that supports Obama or the Democrat Party is about as much progressive as Breivik is Christian.


1. Christian war hawks bombing and invading Muslim countries. Do some research.
2. Does this video not suggest Breivik is a Christian terrorist?




And as far as the war on terror as a Christian crusade, you have:

-Conservative Christians as the biggest backers of the Iraq war (link)

-Pentagon officials that see the "war on terror" as a religious war between Judeo-Christian civilization and Satan, with Islam of course cast in the latter role (link)

-President Bush using Biblical prophesy to justify the war in Iraq (link)

-Prime Minister Tony Blair viewing his decisions to go to war in Iraq and Kosovo as part of a "Christian battle" (link)

-US Military trying to convert Arabs to Christianity (link)(link)

These examples are just the surface, they don't even really delve into the Zionist components of the wars.




As for your second point--short answer: it has everything to do with it. It exposes your own hypocritical POV. (along with many other's)

Obama is a self professed Christian. He indiscriminately kills civilians with military drones (some estimates put the civilian death rate at 90%, the other 10% are just suspects executed without due process)(link)

Is this not terrorism?

Is Obama not a Christian terrorist?

There is ongoing torture of uncharged suspects, many who are innocent civilians, many who we know are innocent civilians. (link)(link)(link)(link)

Just recently, NATO bombing runs in Tripoli would last for several hours, hitting civilian targets and killing innocents. (link)(link)

Is this not terrorism that is fully supported by Obama and progressives?

>> ^heropsycho:

The war on terror isn't being waged based on an overt Christian ideology. There's the difference. There are plenty of Muslims in the US military who see no problem fighting radical Islam. Not sure how you missed that, but it's pretty obvious. This guy performed terrorist acts because of his warped Christian ideology.
My second point is wtf does Obama and Progressivism have to do with any of this? Short answer: it doesn't. And yes, this guy is clearly a Christian of the super-nutty variety. Every religion, and even atheists, have their nuts. Why is this so shocking to anyone?
>> ^marbles:
>> ^heropsycho:
1. How so?
2. WTF does that have to do with anything in this video?!
>> ^marbles:
The war against terror is largely a "Christian" crusade and yet I don't see you guys up in arms about it.
Any "progressive" that supports Obama or the Democrat Party is about as much progressive as Breivik is Christian.


1. Christian war hawks bombing and invading Muslim countries. Do some research.
2. Does this video not suggest Breivik is a Christian terrorist?



There's plenty of people who believe that it is. There are also plenty of people that support Israel because of a warped Christian ideology. Come on this isn't new.

The war on terror isn't being waged based on an overt Christian ideology. There's the difference. There are plenty of Muslims in the US military who see no problem fighting radical Islam. Not sure how you missed that, but it's pretty obvious. This guy performed terrorist acts because of his warped Christian ideology.

My second point is wtf does Obama and Progressivism have to do with any of this? Short answer: it doesn't. And yes, this guy is clearly a Christian of the super-nutty variety. Every religion, and even atheists, have their nuts. Why is this so shocking to anyone?

>> ^marbles:

>> ^heropsycho:
1. How so?
2. WTF does that have to do with anything in this video?!
>> ^marbles:
The war against terror is largely a "Christian" crusade and yet I don't see you guys up in arms about it.
Any "progressive" that supports Obama or the Democrat Party is about as much progressive as Breivik is Christian.


1. Christian war hawks bombing and invading Muslim countries. Do some research.
2. Does this video not suggest Breivik is a Christian terrorist?

>> ^heropsycho:

1. How so?
2. WTF does that have to do with anything in this video?!
>> ^marbles:
The war against terror is largely a "Christian" crusade and yet I don't see you guys up in arms about it.
Any "progressive" that supports Obama or the Democrat Party is about as much progressive as Breivik is Christian.



1. Christian war hawks bombing and invading Muslim countries. Do some research.
2. Does this video not suggest Breivik is a Christian terrorist?

1. How so?
2. WTF does that have to do with anything in this video?!

>> ^marbles:

The war against terror is largely a "Christian" crusade and yet I don't see you guys up in arms about it.
Any "progressive" that supports Obama or the Democrat Party is about as much progressive as Breivik is Christian.

Jesus taught love and "turning the other cheek".

O'Reilly makes a very important point... that you cannot judge someone by what they call themselves, but by their actions.

The same standard, of course, should apply to Muslims, Jews, and people of all faiths.


The war against terror is largely a "Christian" crusade and yet I don't see you guys up in arms about it.

Any "progressive" that supports Obama or the Democrat Party is about as much progressive as Breivik is a true Christian.