I think what happened here is this. They have been here before. Many times. They know he doesn’t have insurance or money and no one’s going to get paid. They are annoyed and have intention of giving any care.

I have never seen anyone placed facedown on a cot for any reason. He does that out of spite because he’s tired of this guy.

It may also be they think he’s faking,and drug seeking. Which is also very common.

I’m a retired firefighter. It’s very common to have to remove people from areas where you can’t get the cot. They make collapsible chairs for example designed for that. For larger people they have a canvas thing with handles in the sides. Often people are upstairs, or downstairs. That’s just the job.

This guys not heavy , it’s just that she’s a small woman and he’s out of shape. And they don’t wanna do it. She knows him I think. She calls him by name. Like they have been there before and are tired of his shit. It’s also very common to go to the same places over and over.
But Yea, they are going to jail.

Wouldn't it be better, and safer for everyone, if we could just build some sort of "place" for these homeless people to live? Provide them with the basic needs of life like food, clothing and shelter. A cot to sleep on. A yard to exercise in. A place where they could make friends and network with other desperate people?

Hell, maybe we can even put them to work! One man's "slave labor" is another man's "productive member of society", after all.

Granted, some of these people are dangerous! When you hit rock bottom and have nothing left to lose, that can turn a man into an animal. So maybe we should surround the place with barbed wire and electric fences. And guard towers, just in case.

Maybe put bars on the windows and doors?

I'm just spitballing ideas here.

Umm, yeah, I am aware of Noz and his functions... =)

The point was, Draenor is Outland prior to the accidental shattering by Nerzhul. Ergo, for it to be in one piece again, I'd say you'd have to be going back in time.

CoT has proven to be an enormous boon (and a crutch) for Blizz, but to create an entire expansion around the past seems a bit strange. Particularly since Velen is installed on those islands off the Kalimdor coast. Do we end up with Back to the Future-esque meetings of the same people?

ps. I'm such a bloody nerd... =\

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>> ^Yogi:


They're mad. They're very upset that Obama isn't doing what he said he was gonna do. They're fucking morons believing in fairytales.


Yeah they're crazy for wanting to stop the destruction of the biosphere, end suicidal trillion dollar opportunistic oil heists around the world, get rid of nukes before one ends up in NYC, control the bullying of 6th generation intellectually mediocre inheritees wielding billions, stop rich right wing politicians sending the poor off to die in foreign fields in return for backhanders from Halliburton, Blackwater and the oil companies, stop 'losing' billions of dollars in cash on aeroplanes bound for Baghdad, try and resuscitate America's tattered reputation as a country of democracy, freedom and law, deal with Afghanistan, Pakistan and Saudi because THATS WHERE THE TERRORISTS LIVE NOT IRAQ, stop burning thousands of children to death in their cots in self defeating attempts to dominate huge populations of increasing angry bereaved paupers,and stop America from ending up as the poor beggar in a nuclear standoff with china in 20 years that they'll have to back down from cos china could take everything the US has and walk away with 300m people breathing -and the US knows it- and the west now talking about 'freedom' and respect for individuals and other nations will just make the Chinese commie party laugh even harder (and milks been coming out of their nose since 2002).

Stop America tearing itself to pieces and handing the next 2 centuries to 1.5 billion Chinese who have EVEN LESS interest and empathy for the 'Rest Of World' than Americans?

Maybe you're right Yogi.

A yé, geting cot owt for speling like I pronowns wurds agen... dam yoo >> ^alien_concept:

>> ^Fusionaut:
mmmmmm.... spelt....>> ^alien_concept:
I'm not keen on spelling nazis either, but if a person's name is spelt a certain way and someone politely points that out, it seems like heel-diggory to refuse to change it


Ahhh yay, getting caught out for spelling like I pronounce words again... damn you

>> ^MarineGunrock:

Point by point:
1. It's being compared to car ins. because if people could get thousands of dollars of services for less than two dollars, the company (read: FD) wouldn't be able to cover cots because no one would subscribe.
2)Netrunner, you're missing the point that he doesn't pay taxes to the city.
3. So like I said before, They should have shown up, put the fire out, and then charge him however much it cost for the whole operation.(way more than $75.)


I'm not missing the point about one tax vs. another, one-time at cost charges, etc. I just don't think it matters who he didn't pay for what, it was wrong for them to let the house burn.

Further, I think it's wrong that anyone would favor a system that involves letting some people's houses burn down over one that charges a county property tax, and provides service to everyone.

Point by point:

1. It's being compared to car ins. because if people could get thousands of dollars of services for less than two dollars, the company (read: FD) wouldn't be able to cover cots because no one would subscribe.

2)Netrunner, you're missing the point that he doesn't pay taxes to the city.

3. So like I said before, They should have shown up, put the fire out, and then charge him however much it cost for the whole operation.(way more than $75.)

Looks there was few extracurricular hits in there. Not that I blame them, after who knows how many lives he endangered. He deserves a lot worse. Instead he'll get 3 hots and a cot and free cable tv for 2 years.

*sigh*

Nice of you to invent things which I never said. I never said that the Australian system was perfect by any means, there are plenty of things which can make it better. But the crux of it is that when it comes to having treatments to keep you alive or well, you should NEVER be having to stop before seeking treatment and thinking 'gee, can we afford this'.

That just SHOULD NOT cross your mind.

But seeing as you have this insane logic where you think it's ok that you had to pay $5K out of pocket lump sum right there to get your treatment then you have a mindset completely different to mine. I find it infinitely better to be paying taxes ongoing that I don't notice, taxes that are taken out consistently and put to good use, rather than having something happen and having to cough up THOUSANDS of dollars that I don't have.

Seriously, do you think that everyone puts aside the amount that we pay in taxes for a rainy day? Sure it's a good idea to always put aside money, but... you know... things come up, and well, look we have that money we put aside, let's use it to do X or Y. In our system, and that of other countries that have public health. We ongoing pay our taxes, and as such when things come up, well, we CAN'T have spent our 'health savings' as it's handled for us. And yes, some people will get more value out of the system than others. But if you begrudge someone getting more money spent of them for health care then truly you are a heartless, money grabbing bastard.

But I keep seeing Americans having fund rallies and setting up websites to ask for donations to pay for treatment for cancer or other such life threatening ailments. And yet you think this is a good way to be, that people constantly have to find a way to raise thousands of dollars to get treatment to keep themselves alive?

You have rationalized the insanity that you only paid $5000 for your treatment. Well, good on you for being able to FIND $5000. Most people would have a hard time coming up with that sort of money out of the blue.

Simply because something is necessary or important does not mean it should become a federal government entitlement - and CERTAINLY it doesn't mean it can or even should be 'free'.

HUH!? The very definition of 'Necessary' is that it's needed, that it's a service that is mandatory. And you're sitting there, typing away that it's bad economics for a government to provide that?

Your thinking, which would seem to be the thinking of the right wing, is a thinking I will NEVER come around to, because it is, at it's core, unjust and created by those who already HAVE money, who already CAN afford to self pay for things. It gives NO allowances for those who can't afford $5K medical treatments or $40K a year school fees. If there is a way you can have a government fund and pay such that these basic NECESSITIES are provided for all who need them, and do so in such a way that you are not stopping those who work hard from becoming successful, (Which, hey, we have plenty of rich people here you know, there's nothing stopping hard work making you shiteloads of cash in Australia) how can you be against that, I really don't get it.


>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:
THAT is what is wrong with the US system, and THAT is what will ALWAYS put it below other countries like Australia, the UK etc. where we get access to still world class services and yet do not end up in financial difficulty
Your post is full of what can only be described as disingenous exaggerations. "Here Down Under, every citizen gets free health care, doesn't pay a dime, there are no waiting lines, and our care is world class. You poor, poor Americans... No one can afford care, you wait months for all your services, and your doctors & facilities are the equivalent of a witch doctor pulling up a cot in a shanty..."
BS. Not that I put much stock in the WHO list, but if the Aussie system is SO grand then why are they #32 on the list and the US is #37 despite being private? Clearly not all is beer and skittles in Oz's health care system. Anyway, I'm not impressed by anecdotal evidence. Know why? Because I've got my own story about how GREAT the US health care system is. I won't bore you with the details, but I consider getting a half-million in medical care for a total of $5K out of my pocket (tax free) to be a pretty good deal. "Oh yeah - but I got that much and it was FREE..!" Uh - bull. Taxes, copays, and such added all together and adjusted for currency exchange and you guys are paying as much (or more) in relative terms for your so-called 'free' system.
Regardless, the sentiment of your post demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of basic economics. Simply because something is necessary or important does not mean it should become a federal government entitlement - and CERTAINLY it doesn't mean it can or even should be 'free'.

THAT is what is wrong with the US system, and THAT is what will ALWAYS put it below other countries like Australia, the UK etc. where we get access to still world class services and yet do not end up in financial difficulty

Your post is full of what can only be described as disingenous exaggerations. "Here Down Under, every citizen gets free health care, doesn't pay a dime, there are no waiting lines, and our care is world class. You poor, poor Americans... No one can afford care, you wait months for all your services, and your doctors & facilities are the equivalent of a witch doctor pulling up a cot in a shanty..."

BS. Not that I put much stock in the WHO list, but if the Aussie system is SO grand then why are they #32 on the list and the US is #37 despite being private? Clearly not all is beer and skittles in Oz's health care system. Anyway, I'm not impressed by anecdotal evidence. Know why? Because I've got my own story about how GREAT the US health care system is. I won't bore you with the details, but I consider getting a half-million in medical care for a total of $5K out of my pocket (tax free) to be a pretty good deal. "Oh yeah - but I got that much and it was FREE..!" Uh - bull. Taxes, copays, and such added all together and adjusted for currency exchange and you guys are paying as much (or more) in relative terms for your so-called 'free' system.

Regardless, the sentiment of your post demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of basic economics. Simply because something is necessary or important does not mean it should become a federal government entitlement - and CERTAINLY it doesn't mean it can or even should be 'free'.

This is sick. But so is the fact that these kids parents pay around $1500 per child for 5 days of brainwashing, sandwiches and soup, and cheap sleeping cots.

IE these people are getting filthy stinking rich of these so called camps.

And I feel terribly bad for these children who will grown up to be just as irrational and violent and racist as their parents are today. No amount of fact or rationalism will ever change them, unless they themselves decide to change. Sadly few ever will, as their entire lives are steeped in and surrounded by the irrational.

All I can say is how glad I am that I didn't grow up in the bible belt. I undoubtedly would never have survived there. I'm to much a free thinker. I cannot stand Christianity as it is lol.

>> ^quantumushroom: Sorry. I respectfully disagree. Can't hide a proposed moral stance behind secrets of national security.

So you are arguing that all scientific studies about truth telling under duress, and false confessions have been cooked by the Democrats?

Science is no longer apolitical, if it ever was. Lies about secondhand smoke killing 50,000 people per year and gloBULL warming scares have proved this well enough.

Obama can solidify your hypothesis about torture never providing valuable information by releasing all pertinent Gitmo waterboarding data. He hasn't. WHY? He only has a 1 in 3 chance of being proven wrong.

I don't really care if the CIA thinks that torture is effective ( they seem to be taking the opposite position, but that is equally irrelevant ). I am asking for evidence that torture, studied under scientific controls, as a system of extracting usable information, works on humans. The evidence I have seen strongly suggests it does not.

Well, as I've said many times, and probably will again, these captured folks are not enemy soldiers and therefore deserve no military/legal protection, possibly with the exception of those not caught outright fighting against US troops on the battlefield. I'd rather the ones still out there not be reassured that they won't be tortured if captured.

If you seriously believe torture "doesn't work" then you might find yourself agreeable to the idea that we not go through the trouble of bringing these clowns to "jail" for 3 hots and a cot, and instead simply kill the bastards where we find them, as brutally as possible. That might deter a few of the next "martyrs".

>> ^bleedingsnowman:
During the the coldest time in winter, Chicago's shelters are at less than 10% occupancy.
I once gave a homeless woman a ride to a shelter and she was telling me how much she hates being in those places. If you leave past five you can't get back in, it's an open room with cots so there's people fucking constantly, prostitution, people steal your stuff, there are bullies, and there is a lot of drugs, something she was trying to stay away from because of her "weaknesses." So she preferred to find her own places.
People still want to carve a place for themselves even if they have nothing or don't have capacity to engage society in a traditional manner. A lot of these people do have REAL mental problems. And so many have just been beaten down and down, over and over. All those dwellers usually just want to be left alone.



How to solve that shit:
Individual rooms with locks (no matter how small they need to be)
Search everyone for weapons & drugs upon entry.
Books in the rooms.
Cooperation between the shelter and staffing agencies and mental asylums.